Nerfing DS is crazy

i used the perk when it was 3 seconds and will continue using it. 3 seconds was usually enough to get to a loop. 1 second off 5 is not that bad. maps arent entirely weaker so im not sure where this fallacy came from. some maps are bad for survivor and some are bad for killer, thats how dbd is. if every map was horrid like certain players claim, people could not be looping for very long times even today. considering that the 3 most popular regression perks and 2 strong killers chucky and wesker are getting nerfed in the same patch, this is overall big buffs for survivor regardless of ds. its only expected that they nerf DS. people need to stop exaggerating this nerf, and do not unequip without trying it out first. as a solo, there is not much more disappointing than seeing your teammate get put back on the hook right after rescue bc they didnt pay the $5 tax.

It's weird, they only recently buffed it upto 5 and already it's apparently too strong and warrants a nerf. I thought most people, including killer mains felt that 5 seconds was fine. 4 Is obviously still better than 3 but for most survivors it's not gonna be much better than back when it was 3 and not many people ran it.

Its just comical. You cant take any devs action serious anymore.

• dead hard was unchanged for 5 years and was meta for 9 more months before becoming fair
• MFT was meta for 6 months
• drop tech, though niche, was unchanged for like 7 years
• its disingenuous to say the devs are holding the killers hands when they just nerfed every meta slowdown perk and removed camping+3 genning, while also adding basekit bt and removing facecamping. The devs help and hurt each side indiscriminately.
• if a gen was getting hit a pop, PR, dms, and grim embrace every 30s that is an absolute skill issue on the survivor end.
• you talk about the kinetic energy exploit like that was somehow unfair to killswitch? So blight techs are unfair but exploits on the survivor end are fine?

If the devs really favored killer then they'd remove all exhaustion perks and add 10 more seconds to each gen while bringing back gen kick meta. its not like DS is even bad now, 4 seconds is still fairly strong. fairly. like OTR is probably better but this aint trash.

Yeah, tunneling is back

Just about.

This makes a lot of sense IMO

All the people saying DS is dead now like it wasn't Top 10 in pickrate at 3 seconds is weird to me. I think it has enough bite to adequately deincentivise Tunneling, but it should hopefully curb some of the DS bodyblocks that have been getting more common as of late.

Tunneling at 5 gens is such a miserable unfun experience for survivors that having a really effective way to prevent it is a must. Because of the animation, the survivor only gets part of that 5 second stun to get to a loop and, just maybe, gets to play the game longer than he sits on the hook. Sure nerf other survivor perks but the only perk that effectively reduces tunneling, which prevents miserable unfun games, shouldn’t be nerfed. Plus, it’s a ONE USE perk, it’s inherently has a severe penalty. 4 seconds is hardly anything when you remove the animation time. And again, this severely reduces unfun suvivor games, where that get tunneled at gen 5.

And let me just add, a vast majority of the player base isn’t in the top 5% of players, which can adequately use a 3 or 4 second stun time. The other medium and low skilled players also need a way to prevent tunneling, the in fact need an accessible way to prevent 5 gen tunneling more than the top 5% of players. Removing the 5 second stun time, removes DS as an effective means to prevent tunneling at 5 gens, from those players leaving them defenseless.

The biggest issue is that these slowdown perks have no counterplay, whereas DS has multiple realms of counterplay. Survivors are designed to go down in chase, so the best you can hope for is to delay or roll the dice on winning 50-50s multiple times as Survivor to prevent slowdown. DS can be hard countered by simply targeting the remaining 75% of the current lobby. Even if you have no intel on Survivors C and D, the Killer still knows Survivor A (unhookee) can have DS, and Surv B (unhooker) can't, merely lowering that number to 50% viable targets to completely avoid a perk. I think DH is an actual 2nd chance perk, but DS is instead a 'real chance' perk. I can't avoid a DH without advance use of anti-exhaustion perks/add-ons, but I can almost always avoid a DS/UB (outside absurdities like a 4-man Breakdown+comp cornering for UB).

Personally I would usually play with PR alone on Ghosty, and can easily win the vast majority of my matches with effectively 540-720 gen seconds to work with (5-7 gens plus 100% regression effectively shifting that number to 6-8*90). Arguably if they nerfed all slowdown by 50% (on top of the proposed nerfs), then we could basekit 10 more seconds onto gens fairly. That would put us at (with 10% PR) 540-740 gen seconds (5-7*100 + 40), and stacked slowdown is even less effective. The problem here though is that all the maps have too few usable pallets anymore, and can be bruteforced/bloodlusted to win through attrition ala old CoB/OC/Eruption styled free wins. Reducing the effectiveness of stacking slowdown is the best thing we can do to fix that if we can't have real pallets anymore.

Also Buckle Up and Background Player, which have also been problem perks with less counterplay than DS, but more than slowdown, are also being adjusted (although I think BU should have just been changed to not work with FTP instead, and BP shifted the speed boost to AFTER the pickup completes, not on starting it).

As far as the PE exploit, now we are going to have a bunch of Survivors with artificially inflated MMR, and since they can't bug abuse to win anymore will provide Killers with plenty of free wins in return. That seems like a problem that solves itself in the long run, as those Survivors took out a loan, and now Killers can now enforcerepaying the debt on those bug abusers.