What are people's personal definition of gen rush?

Genrushing in my mind is basically being glued to the generator without taking into consideration whether or not it is a good play or not. Basically prioritizing generators over everything else, despite it possibly leading you to lose the game. So for example sticking to the Gen and not unhooking someone for no good reason.

There is just no incentive to do chests and dull totems anyway, so not doing those does not lead to Gen rushing. The same goes for not healing as that can be a strategic decision. And full builds to do gens faster also don't really count, because whether you go for a heal build to save time there or for a gen speed build to save time there is not really that different, in both cases you are trying to save time.

You cannot really blame people for using tools that are in the game, this is fully on the devs that busted things are still in the game. Also arguably med kits are and have always been stronger than toolboxes, because they save you more time on average than a toolbox, at least in a normal game.

In other games cheeses are also completely valid and while the community does not like them the professional players for example in Starcraft 2 do acknowledge them just like any other strategy.

Just because you being a certain item to make something quicker does not mean you are rushing something. Maybe you will use it to Sabo?

It seems you misunderstood my point there. Brainlessly doing a gen despite knowing it affects your team negatively... If you have resilience and are dead on hook the best thing to do is sit on a Gen and don't make any sound so the killer does not find you easily... Sure it would be safer to heal up, but with nobody around and depending on the gens left it could still be the most optimal play.

In soloQ more often than not it is better to not run around looking for a teammate to heal you but to just do the objective, because the risk of running into the killer or wasting way too much time is just too high.

My definition of genrushing is that it is a bad play because despite it not being optimal and the person that does it knowing it is not optimal they still decide to do it and just sit on a generator leading to their own downfall... I don't think you can call the most optimal play Gen rushing. Because what else are people supposed to do? You want them to play worse despite knowing better?

The point is doing gens as fast and as efficient as possible without sacrificing your teammates needlessly in the process is the most optimal thing to do, so if that is Gen rushing then you are basically complimenting the people doing that. Because they are just doing their objective in the most efficient way, they are doing what they are supposed to do.

People sometimes tend to compare Gen rushing to tunneling and that is by my definition only valid if you compare it to mindless tunneling, in a similar way to my definition of Gen rushing there is an efficient way to get your objective done and there is a mindless one that will usually be worse than just playing normally. You can go for the weak link if you catch it until they are out or you can juggle two survivors so they both die early or you mindlessly tunnel one guy no matter how bad the chase goes, you basically have the same tunnel vision on this survivor like the survivor has on his Gen while Gen rushing, in both cases the player loses sight of the main goal to focus on something that will not help him in the long run.

But otherwise both people are just trying to do their objective in the way they seem fit for it, which is basically just playing the game.

Unless you are playing in a tournament ^^

And technically also for the emblem system...

Gen rushing is kinda like tunneling in a way that everyone has their own definition. Gen rushing for me would mainly be exclusive to SWF where they have dedicated gen perks and all carry tool boxes with one main objective to blast out gens as fast as possible. Other than that you would be very unlucky to get 4 solo queue players with the same intentions or ability to coordinate such a tactic.

I've noticed gen speeds seem to be Tru3ta1ents next big click bait title videos. In one video he actually throws a bit of a wobbly and throws his headset off. Thing is he spends like 2 mins on the first chase and makes multiple mistakes and is surprised that 2 gens pop in that time with a further 3rd gen a little while later. Has bad RNG on his scourge hook placements. Still manages to draw even though he misses multiple shots with Slinger. Comment section goes wild about the injustices that killers face from all his fanboys that hang on every word he says. It's kinda sad and funny 🤣

How exactly do med kits help you do gens faster? Sure both save you time, but so do healing perks or gen speed perks, but assuming that somebody wants to genrush because they are bringing a heal perk is a bit off… All those perks do is cut time short you would spend on a certain action and therefore you able to spend more time doing something different, for example gens or healing. However what other perks are there? Because this kind of sounds like no matter what perks they bring to save time on actions, and therefore have more time for gens, they are gen rushing, and that is absurd.
Funny comparrison, considering Nurse, Blight and Billy cannot use Knockout effectively, since it requires a basic attack…

The difference between those two concepts is that you can use those items to also sabo or use them in whatever way you see fit, however knockout and deerstalker only give value when you slug.

Well with Resilence you always need to decide whether you take the risk or not, but as long as they thought about what could be the proper play and did not just go like "bar goes yellow nice" then it is all fair.

Of course it is an assessment case by case, but that's my whole point… If you think about what the best thing to do is, and your decision making leads you to therefore sitting on the gen, then that is not gen rushing, because it is most optimal play. As soon as you think about what the optimal play for the given situation is and you don't just sit on your generator without taking into consideration what this will lead to when it comes to the outcome of the match and your teammates then I don't consider this gen rushing anymore. Generally you want to play in a way the killer can not get rid of you easily, which is why I said sitting on a gen without making noise… Ofc this also involves leaving that gen when you think he will come back soon, so to not give him a kill and making it a 3v1, I thought that to be a given.

I mean sure I could have also repeated the part from above again, but what I wanted to include the idea of it not being thought through before they do it. Just sitting on a generator might be the best play given the circumstances, even prioritizing it over your teammates in that situation can be the best play, however it always needs to thought about if that is the case. Because otherwise they are just brainlessly rushing the generator, that's my whole point.

Well if you go by that definition than bringing healing builds, deliverance, resilience and medkits are also gen rushing… For that point, does it even matter if you do gens faster for it to be a gen rush or does it also fit when you just cut every other activity in the game short so you can spend more time on gens, and therefore get all gens done just as quick?

I don't think those two things are comparable, in Starcraft time does not necessarily work against you, you can just play a macro game if you don't feel like cheesing, however that does not really fit DBD, as survivor time is against you and the longer the match goes the less ressources the map still has. For that reason you kind of have to act with a sense of urgency and rush your goal to some degree, which is why I don't think the comparisson fits in that manner.

If all 5 gens are done in less than 5 minutes, I consider that gen rush. Anything else is fine (more or less).

So you consider it genrushed when the killer is chasing one guy for 5 minutes and cannot catch him, while his teammates just do all the gens? Which should take them 4-5 min? Is that gen rushing then? (3 survivors on 3 gens, 85-90 sec each (great skillchecks included) then maybe 20 sec of walking and another 90 sec for the remaining 2 generators, 1 duo one solo gen, so we are at roughly 3.5 minutes now… That's even faster than what you proclaimed, but is this really gen rush? Like what else are those guys supposed to do in this situation when the killer does nothing.

Definitely if people rush gens with tool boxes and gen perks. However, say there’s 3 people alive, 1 dead, and 2 gens left than I can see people doing this strats.

If one person can run the killer for long enough than the other 2 need to get on a gen together and finish it as fast as they can before the surv getting chased goes down. Gen pops, 1 gen left to do, random surv goes for hook save, and the other takes chase (if they can hold chase for awhile). If the surv who got the save goes to work on another gen whilst the injured surv (who just got saved) gets on a separate gen to spread gen pressure than you should be able to escape which could be consider a gen rush strat. However, I call it gen/chase efficiency but I’ve seen people complain about that as gen rushing. Once a gen is about 60% complete than it’s hard for a killer to get that gen back (to have it regressed)

That's the definition I go by, too. You need something that actually allows you to speed up gens, otherwise it's just bog-standard 'doing gens'.

But then we sitll have the issue of what else are survivors supposed to do… So you're limiting it to pure gen times, which probably can also be reached if you just play efficient. So if they are just sitting on gens, as expected, there are no secondary objectives like hex totems or a secondary killer power that needs to be taken care of, what are survivors supposed to do otherwise? All they can do is gens, unless they want to have a harder game than necessary, I don't know about the time limit exactly but potentially that is the direction in which it goes…

But what else are they supposed to do? That just describes normal gameplay… Gens are the main objective, and if there is not some sort of secondary killer power in play that has them do certain things or hex perks then what else are they supposed to do? Just do bones and chests for the sake of it?

So you consider normalgameplay to be gen rushing? By that logic every team that is not completely new should always gen rush as it is basically just playing the game normally xD Fair enough I guess ^^ Kind of makes the phrase useless though, as it does not describe anything that is not regular gameplay anyway.

The point is almost every valuable perk falls in one of those categories, maybe aside from information perks, everything else stalls the killer, makes chases longer, saves time on gens or heals… So if you run a good build you will have a combination of those perks… If you run a decent loadout and the other guys as well this would fit your definition.

I just think gen rushing is not really a thing, people just play efficient, but I would not call it rushing.

• I remind you that we are in 2024 and not in 2019. with some exceptions, maps are smaller, the number of pallets is decidedly fewer and less safe, killers (in general) are more oppressive and there are perks like Pop and PainRES practically everywhere… if not having focus on gens, you will die.

For me: Deja Vu, Built to last, streetwise and the big toolbox with add ons.

I use this for the do x gens challenges.

On average for sure, but I just think in some games you might be fast enough to still do so, despite playing decent, without doing anything spectacular.

Yeah. But calling 4 BNPs gen rush has kind of the same issue. I have had survivors that used pretty much everything they could to speed up gens and they were still progressing at a snail's pace.

There is no perfect definition for gen rush I am affraid. It can happen without toolboxes or medkits and it can happen despite slowdown as well. These are things that can have a big impact on a match but just as a SWF doesn't turn 4 casual players into tournament winning basement dwellers, this doesn't mean the match will take more or less than a certain amount of time.

I remember a match not too long ago in which I was playing Nemesis on Midwich with Eruption. Despite Eruption giving me a ton of value and the survivors not having anything too extreme (some normal toolboxes and I think 1 Deja Vu), the match ended in under 5 minutes with all of them escaping. They were extremely efficient though and they also stopped healing and just put everything into doing the gens faster. Of course I consider that gen rush.

Priorizing gens over anything else, ig 2 ppl on hook? Imma stick to the gen. Killer slugging? Imma stick to the gen. Full stack on Devour Hope? Imma stick to the gen. The crazy thing is that this works out in a lot of situations.