BHVR will do with Vecna same did with Chucky: Sell it and nerf it.

I would actually argue that Vecna does need a small nerf to his Mage Hand. Mage Hand at the moment doesn't have much counterplay either, it's fairer than scamper, but not by that much.

However I do agree that OP's post is nonesensical, and that the devs don't just nerf killers after they sold them for the sake of it.

I usually wait with things like that a bit, because I cannot really say that I play as good as possible against Vecna or that the Survivors I face are knowing what they are doing. And there is also currently this Bug with Mage Hand. Even tho, I dont think it needed to be buffed in the first place (aside from the Cooldown lowered, which they did). But I dont think it is as glaring as Scamper was.

Yeah, I went against a really good Chucky yesterday. He is still a strong Killer, it is just not possible anymore to save his power until a Pallet is reached for a free hit.

Hens also made a nice video about it, explaining how to use the power now, is a few weeks old and from the PTB... And the lower cooldown can even be seen as an overall buff depending on how well you use the dash.

He will get nerfed. Right now survivors can't gain distance if they drop or pre-drop the pallet and Vecna does use a Mage Hand on it. It's the only thing he currently excels at and this will be conveniently ''addressed'' once the pockets of certain individuals are full. Wouldn't be surprised if they ''tweak'' Hand of Mage spell so it becomes more ''fair'' and ''fun'' for survivors and Vecna suddenly disappears from the common pick list.

But if they pre drop it and somewhat stay near the loop, they can just drop it again once it got lifted and he will have 38 seconds of cooldown... So where is the issue? Mage hand counters late drops and greeding pallets, you should be find if you don't do that...

That's the thing - they can't drop it back safely. Right now Vecna can pick it up and immediately whiff an attack. If they decide to stay and use the pallet they end up hit. If they don't and try to continue to run then they won't gain distance and will get hit regardless.

At this point, why not just remove the scamper entirely and introduce something else instead? Why leave killer with gimped power that requires so much effort?

doctor cannot counter god pallets vs good players. Drey tech does not work vs sentient survivor because they can stand further away from the pallet near the staircase. he can only counter god pallet that are in the corner of the map such as Gideon's god pallet on corner staircase(both the top side and bottom side) or the one near basement. Huntress can get hits at god pallets in some situations but the survivor can path in certain ways to make them guaranteed distance gain. For example Lery library has a god pallet and huntress cannot hit over that god pallet.

I disagree that other killers can counter god pallets. Chucky and Nurse are the only ones. Chucky's scamper is too slow and ineffective. The lousy turning rate does not help either.

That's generally a very healthy attitude. But I will say that I have been playing a lot of matches with vecna already, which is why I come to the conclusion that Mage Hand is slightly overtuned. It's not by much either, I just think they need to increase the slowdown of Mage Hand ever so slightly and the ability will be perfect.

Tru3 has been making videos on how to use Mage Hand to minimalise the counterplay of Mage Hand. His videos are a good illustration of why I think it's slightly overtuned.

Not a free hit is so much effort? If you don't think it is worth it, kick the pallet and use the dash afterwards...

Chucky with scamper lasted nearly 8 months, it wasn't a case of they had these nerfs planned for release. They gave the scamper mechanic a good go but it just hasn't worked out.

I think chucky is still strong. He just leans more into stealth and slice and dice now.

Im not sure how much of a nerf is slicing his powers cooldown from 18 seconds to 12.

I'm not keen on the way they nerfed Chucky tbh. I tended to see him as a stronger 1 vs 1 Legion, with a slower base 110 movement speed to compensate for his strength in this regard. If Legion is all about zipping around the map to injure Survivors quickly and then picking them off later, Chucky is about getting fast downs against one Survivor at a time and generating his pressure that way. Sure, skilled Chuckys that can tame his Slice and Dice attack should still be OK, but being able to scamper under a pallet in Hidey-ho mode was vital for getting a fair few of my hits. Now that won't be possible anymore, he's less than he was.

This update has killed Chucky for more casual Killer players in my opinion and has made him less appealing for players of all skill levels.

As for Vecna, I think there will probably be some nerfs a few months from now. He's definitely not a weak Killer. I don't find Mage Hand to be particularly fun to face as it feels like there's not much you can do against it without getting lucky and finding the item that counters it in a chest. I doubt I'm the only Survivor player that feels this way.

But that's what so many of the vocal survivor community wants. Nobody wants to learn the counterplay, there is already countless threads on how OP Vecna is, they need to nerf him! Nerf him now, and nerf him hard!

The problem is that this very vocal side of the community that doesn't want to actually learn counterplay seems to be who BHVR listens to in the old "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" situation.

I mean ngl Chucky was unfair to play against at release; I don't keep up with his changes so don't know his state right now

his scamper ability was basically a guaranteed hit or down. Mind games are still sided for him to win considering you can't see him over most tiles and that screws your reaction time

don't know that they ever market any killer as a certain tier; they release a killer, likely sit back and analyze different analytics and make changes as needed

I think it's sad.
Vecna isnt as good as people try to sell him being.
All of his abilities can be countered, and even mage hand, the thing people hate him for, is just a signifier of a different problem:
Survivors use Pallettes as crutches.

Mage Hand either lifts or holds a pallette.
If you lift, the survivor can slam it again, so the only way you lose against a lift, is if Vecna is literally right behind you, or you keep running instead of waiting to either stun or drop again.

If you hold, then, again, you only lose if he is already behind you. In most other situations you just keep running the loop until the hold is over, and then drop pallette.

If they really nerf him, all it does is reinforce to me, that BHVR is biased towards survivors.

Something being a core mechanic and a crutch are not mutually exclusive.
Something that is strong and decides a lot of situations with usually very little thought?
That is a crutch.
A pallette is a crutch, if the second you cant utilize them as you used to, you cry to papa BHVR about how Mage Hand is broken and needs a nerf.
And of course because that will be mostly survivors, BHVR will do that.
they already announced it.
Vecna was out for less than 2 days, and they already announced a nerf to one Ability.

But sure, it is probably complete coincidence that that ability is also the one that removes a lot of value from Pallettes.

If Lunge Attacks had double their range and made you immune to pallettes, it would be a crutch.

Yeah, I have watched a bit and it looks indeed overtuned. I would guess they will adjust a bit there.

I dont think that the main appeal should be that a Killer can deal with God Pallets. Bringing in Nurse as an argument is also not really the best, since Nurse is just busted and has always been busted and will (sadly) always be busted. There are so many Killers who cannot deal with God Pallets and those are doing well. So just leaving it in for that one Killer, despite how cheap it feels, would be wrong.

The whole game is basically designed around pallets, tiles & windows. Every map is designed around those 3 elements in one way or another.

How is utilising pallets a crutch? 99% of survivors would literally last seconds in most scenarios without them 😂

You asked "How are they a crutch"
And literally right after said "They would last seconds without them"

I said it somewhere else.
But if being able to stop you from utilizing a mechanic once every 40 seconds is enough for almost all the survivors to throw a fit large enough to have BHVR nerf that spell less than 2 days after release, then maybe that is a sign that survivors rely on them too much?

If the only reason you survive chases is because you can force 50/50 Mindgames at pallettes, then it is a crutch no matter how much of a base element it is.

I wish that BHVR would stop making 4.4 killers, if they aren’t allowed to have very strong powers.

I understand Chucky’s model is smaller than the average killer, but it still feels really bad to travel long distances as a 4.4 killer, when the killer’s powers have been nerfed so much that it feels like the killer should be bumped up to 4.6.

And I used to play Huntress very often, but the map reworks added so many line of sight blockers, and high walled loops, that I stopped playing her completely, because trying to navigate all that as a 4.4 killer was just too much, considering that her M2 opportunities are much rarer now.

I just wish that everyone (except Nurse) could be rebalanced as a 4.6 killer.