If Vecna gets his FOTD nerfed, he will be one of the weakest killers in the game

People will stop play him when he get any sort of change it happen to every killer except blight because people think that this interaction is fine no it not the counterplay to veckna is his items, that it he make most loop null an void unless you have exzact item equipt and u can only have 2 equpt so really you only ever have counter to 2 powers invisibility and teleport are a joke because it give a free health start that bot counter that call a meme

@ad19970 Still think Vecna gonna be viable after this?

it is not uncounterable, you can crouch preemptively but it is impossible react to if the player does it right. Every player I have done this on has no reacted to FOTD. You can only predict this play.

personally, i think Vecna is fine where he is at. the only i'd make to him is nerf stbfl on him because for some reason, his flight of the damned does not consume stbfl stacks. So just fix bugs.

I really hope that they don't actually think FOTD is too hard to counter bc the counterplay is literally just:

FOTD doesn't really do an amazing job at countering pallets. Even if you're right next to the killer, the cooldown is so long the skeletons can fly over you and you can drop the pallet before the killer can get an M1 in.

The amount of times FOTD will actually get hits in is rare against anyone with knowledge against Vecna. It's only really good as a zoning tool, and even then if you time the crouch well then you really don't lose all that much distance.

Imo the insta-hit does need to go but I think they should buff FOTD in some other way to make up for it

Well then it looks like he's going to be one of the weakest killers in the game lol.

Also, you realize you pretty much just described every licensed killer, as well as most of the others. That's how it works. Or at least that's how its been since behavior decided to sell out. The first couple years were absolutely great. But at some point they decided to cater to the crybaby survivors who cried and cried about the game being too hard. They changed all the killer powers to make them weaker and several perks as well.

So that's how it's been for the last few years. They release a new killer, survivors cry about them being too powerful and the next patch, the survivors get what they want lol.

DBD basically screwed up the entire game quite a while ago. The end game collapse was a necessary change because of how often survivors would just bully killers and not leave to trap the killer in the match.

All the rest of the changes were done for the sole purpose of making it easier for survivors. Which is absolute BS. When the game launched I primarily played survivor, and yeah I'll admit, the game had quite a learning curve to say the least. It took me a while before I was anything less than a sandbag to whatever poor team I ended up on.

The game was never too hard for survivors. The issue is there's all these newer generation gamers who are used to getting whatever they want, whenever they want. Which is why anything they can't immediately win at is too hard.

I'm still pretty sour about the whole thing because I took the time to learn how the game works, and I only got a few months of being decent as a survivor before they started changing everything to make it easier.

The game didn't need to be messed with, but they went ahead and did it anyway. Which is exactly why the gameplay has sucked for years. I used to be able to play match after match without getting bored. I rarely play anymore because it's just too annoying and depressing, but when I do, I can do maybe 2 or 3 matches at most, then I'm done.

DBD has been relying on these events and collabs to keep the game afloat, but it's not going to work forever. Should have just left it alone.

I can almost see why they decided to favor the survivors because survivor mainstream are almost definitely where most of the money comes from, but it's not hard to figure out that if nobody wants to play killer, there is no game.

I really wish they'd offer some kind of classic DBD. Like how blizzard will let you play WoW the way it originally was if you don't like what they've done to it since becoming super popular. Obviously it wouldn't be free but I'd pay for that.

I agree. I decided vecna was weak but then i saw videos where killers were using fotd in this way and i started doing it myself and it makes a huge difference.

Honestly i would understand if they got rid of it. It's clearly not how it was intended to be used and i think happens too fast to react to. BUT flight of the damned really needs to be useful and consistent in some other way.

So the counterplay you described with Mage Hand is actually the reason I have to admit that I underestimated Mage Hand's counterplay a bit. My problem with Mage Hand was that Vecna can just react to pallet drops instead of having to predict it. However, as I have learned thanks to one survivor I went against, if you react to the pallet drop, i.e. use Mage Hand after the survivor already pretty much dropped the pallet, the survivor can just drop the pallet on top of you because the cooldown is too long for you to get a hit before the survivor can drop the pallet. Meanwhile, if you predict the pallet drop, enough of the cooldown is spent during the pallet drop animation and you can get a hit before the survivor can drop the pallet back on you.

So in that sense Mage Hand does have counterplay, since theoretically you do have to predict the survivors pallet drop. But the problem is that pretty much no one knows of this. Which is why in most cases, as Vecna, you can just use your power on reaction. So in my opinion the nerf to Mage Hand that is confirmed is a good nerf. As it will simply allow survivors to loop the pallet again if Vecna uses his power on reaction instead of prediction, meanwhile survivors will be less likely to redrop the pallet on Vecna immediately because the pick up time will be longer.

When it comes to Fly, I really do wish you could bodyblock vaults and pallets, but that right now sadly doesn't work. Crouching under Fly should probably not be a thing. It's still a great map traversal and anti-w tool.

However, we disagree when it comes to FoTD. It can deny vaults and dropped pallets, and hit survivors while they are in animation, in my opinion FoTD will still be strong enough, even if it loses it's insta hit tech.

Not necessarily. I mean sure, it can lead to uncounterable situations in rare cases, at windows that are particularly safe otherwise. But in general survivors can predict your FoTD and instead loop to the other side of the window, mindgaming it from that angle. Killer shack is an example of this. Instead of going for the window, you can go for the pallet or try to get to the other side of the window.

In the end, powers of killers will always lead to some uncounterable situations, that's can't be avoided. The question is how often such situations happen. FoTD being used to deny vaults and dropped pallets is fine in my opinion, in most cases it does have counterplay, but the ability should do something as well.

Mage Hand on the other hand has little counterplay in too many situations, or so I thought. The reality is that you can actually counterplay Mage Hand if used on reaction, something I have just found out myself recently, but pretty much no one knows about the counter so it's still good that Mage Hand is getting a small nerf, so that it has more counterplay for most survivors and can't be used on reaction as effectively anymore.

Yes, theoretically, the Vecna player can use Mage Hand at the right time so that the cooldown ends just before the survivor can drop the pallet again, but this window of time is around 0.1 to 0.3 seconds. It's not realistically feasible to pull this off

Of course it is realistically feasible to pull this off. You just have to predict when the survivor will drop the pallet instead of reacting to it. That's the point. As Vecna you should have to predict when the survivor drops a pallet and not react to it, otherwise there is no counterplay interaction for survivors.

The problem is that this counter is very unintuitive, so pretty much nobody knows about it. Meanwhile, if survivors could just run around the loop again after Vecna reacts to the pallet drop, that would be much more doable by everyone. This way, Vecna would also be forced to predict the survivor pallet drop.

Also, if you expect a Vecna to deny a window vault with FoTD, you can not go for the vault and instead loop to the other side of that vault. Unless Vecna is already very close to you, or it's a god vault. That's some counterplay survivors still have against FoTD. When it comes to FoTD, I am not sure if it needs to lose the insta hit tech, but I also don't think it would be a problem if it did.

I am also not against cooldown reductions if Vecna turns out to be too weak after the nerfs, but I personally doubt he'll be too weak.

I've been playing Vecna as well like crazy, and I am playing him as if he was already nerfed, i.e predicting whenever a survivor will drop the pallet instead of reacting to the pallet drop, and not going for insta hits with FoTD, and I am doing perfectly fine with Vecna.

That's how I feel about it as well. I made the mistake of buying Chucky on day 1, then he was nerfed and I haven't played him since because this also removed the fun part for me. Vecna is already kind of meh and yet it is suggested we nerf him again.

No not really. Again it depends on how often an ability is uncounterable. There are enough killers with abilities that are uncounterable in certain situations. The problem is when an ability is uncounterable in almost any situation. But that doesn't mean one has to remove that ability. What kind of logic is that? It just needs to be balanced a bit better.