Ridiculously Killer Sided!!!

Playing only one side even if for years will hinder growth at a basic level. Learning each side improves you as a player for the side you prefer to play. As a person who it closer to 60/40 between Console and PC who has also played for years. I will say i drastically improved by playing both sides. Pathing, Hiding Spots, Odd little auto aim abuse spots, Techs to push both killer and surv play to a better spot than the day before. They have hundreds if not thousands of guides for ideal pathing/looping/techs. Even after all the buffs to killer and perks. I still do not think killer is better side in terms of power level. I will say right now the game is more balanced than it has ever been.

They got nerfed for a reason, maybe kill rates too high?

regards what killer nerfs happens there's always going to be people complaining killers are too strong.

It is a simple fact you can't balance an asymmetrical 1v4 game to the benefit of each individual of the 4. You will never have the same chances to win as the 1.

The biggest problem is that the 4 never win together as a team like in other team based games but each individual loses by themselves.

I'm pretty sure they stated it was because of the pick rates.

It certainly feels like the game is moving towards favouring the Killer side at the moment. Killers have had a ton of very significant buffs in recent patches, as well as 4 pretty strong Killers released in a row (Singu is also a very strong Killer if they know what they're doing). Meanwhile Survivors get a fun meme lute perk and MFT nerfed into oblivion. And when they do buff Survivor aspects of the game, they tend to be buffs that help already skilled players (or require Survivors to be able to make co-ordinated plays in a SWF), whereas Killer buffs will usually benefit players of all skill levels. There's been nothing added to the game for the average Survivor player for quite some time.

As a casual Solo Q Survivor, this side of the game has become significantly less fun to play.

This is how killers felt for 8 years btw.

The forums really aren't full of coped out of their mind killers. People who believe the game is balanced aren't immediately killer mains. And the devs do care about solo survivor, they just don't do enough for the role, that is true.

Did you play any survivor during the painfully boring eruption meta or ruin undying copy and paste that killers always did?

I didn't see anything wrong with those metas. It was a refusal to adapt, and impatience on the devs' part, that led to those metas getting swiftly and unfairly nerfed.

Eruption could not hit you unless the killer took the time to not only kick all the gens you're working on, but also down someone before they were completed. If you got hit by it, so what? The time you spent progressing the gen was way more value for you than the regression and Incapacitated the killer got. The average player would lose to this of course, because they've never had an incentive to strategize or get better, so the devs nerfed it even though capable teams could just crush killers using this "OP" perk. It's exactly why I hardly ran the perk when it was at this peak, because I could see it was a perk whose only use was noob crushing, or providing a bonus to you when you'd clearly win the match anyway.

Ruin/Undying was super healthy for the game, because it provided slowdown either in the form of breaking totems, which also countered NOED and other hex perks, or rewarding the killer for pushing people off gens instead of camping and tunneling. Either way, good teams could deal with it. Counterforce was also right around the corner; they should have just waited to see if that perk was a good counter. But no, they had to nerf a great and rarely seen hex meta because people kept crying about supposedly getting the worst possible roll on the totems every time. If so, why didn't they just do the gens instead of worrying about the hexes? If I recall correctly, Ruin was about as slow as regressing the gens as it is now, so why aren't people complaining about it now? "Because Undying made it stay up all game." It could stay up all game now and would be a minor inconvenience to the survivors! Instead of doing gens to 15% and then leaving them over and over again, which is what survivors do with this perk even though that's what gives it its max value, they should focus on 2 gens at a time so that no efficiency is lost, because the killer can't be in 2 places at once.

I know this wasn't mentioned, but I laugh whenever I see people reference the "gen kick meta." CoH and Overcharge, you know. The outrage over that "meta" signifies that the average team cannot or will not handle a minor inconvenience brought on by a killer's perks. They cannot handle a killer kicking gens, a base function of the game. Even though that meta required the killer to kick gens (waste tons of time) and hope that survivors won't tap it or finish it (wishful thinking), that was too much for the average survivor. They just leave gens to regress for minutes at a time, can't commit to a gen which was nearly finished, and yet blame the game for being too killer sided. This is what we're balancing for. Can you see the issue?

Best advice I have is play survivor with at least 1 friend or just play another game. SoloQueue is the worst its been, and is only getting worse.

Hey, someone who plays both sides here. I've noticed that it's really easy to play Killer right now and Survivor is miserable. I see 4ks almost every game no matter what side I play. It's gotten to the point where I feel bad just for playing killer and I usually let the last one go. It feels like you can run any build on the killer's end and win as long as you're not against a sweaty swf. And before I get told I'm a bad survivor, I can pretty consistently get 3 gen chases but I can't do much against getting proxy camped and tunneled as soon as I get unhooked. I very rarely get teammates who can run decent chases and I feel like I can't have fun on the survivor end.

I feel like anyone who says soloQ is the worst it's ever been never played before the action portraits were a thing, actually not knowing what anyone was doing was pure pain.

Survivor is in a weaker state RN but the real issue is people being so quick to quit, if people actually tried more the game is relatively balanced.

This doesn’t make sense to me. You say the “kill rates are massively depressed because nice killers don’t tunnel”. If that were true, wouldn’t most matches have nice killers and provide an enjoyable experience for SoloQ survivors?

I mean, I would think that if you describe the game as an abusive relationship, I’d assume most of your matches are miserable where you face things you’d don’t like such as tunneling killers. But if the kill rates are “depressed” as you say, due to nice killers, your experience should be better than what you’re claiming, should it not?

25 seconds of being able to do nothing and having to cleanse 5 ruin totems. “Unfairly nerfed and people refused to adapt” this is such a terrible take but coming from you I’m not surprised. Maybe actually stop being biased and look at it from an objective standpoint.
You do remember killers just staying at the 3 gen and protecting it with eruption call of brine and overcharge? Or killers being able to hold games for a long time? Probably not because you clearly never played survivor during that time if you thought that was fair. The only reason you’re saying it’s fair it’s because it heavily favored killer.

Also since you left this part out and used the “refusal to get better” card. Back then when the eruption meta started survivors didn’t have the hud so you didn’t know who was being chased. And again you didn’t know when someone was going down in solo que.

eruption was stronger than 6.1 DH.

The thing is, a lot of people who play one side or the other - ARE NOT OBJECTIVE. So many people are biased as hell and can't approach topics neutrally. They see the thread title and immediately go in guns blazing in defense.

They do not care or agree about how bad you have it. You can ask notable killer mains. The good ones are honest and tell you they stomp 9/10 matches. The bad ones excuse themselves, make up reasons for why they lost, whether its a perk, item or SWF they believe to be Seal Team 6.

Tru3Talent was going on a random perk winstreak (his chat donated builds for him to use, often meme builds or ones that dont synergize) where he totalled I think 33 wins in a row regardless of killer, before he finally lost.

Hexy, another notable killer main was vocal every time he was live about how easy he had it when playing Killer. He never touched Blight, Spirit or Huntress. He won 99% of his matches if not all his matches as Wraith, who most people regard as B tier. This was over 5-6 months ago.

Anyways, its nothing new. This been going on for years. The back n forth.

Just wish there were more people who didn't immediately go on the defense for the role they main.

strongly disagree. Eurption was good on every single killler because they could simply just camp the 3 gen at the beginning of the match. Maps like haddonfield and RPD had ridiculous 3 gens. I remember seeing killers like Myers use it and doing fine. I said 6 at the most because once 6.1 eruption was out that’s when the tide turned. The gen kick meta was easily the worst and most boring meta in dbds history. From then to current day killer has been strong on par with survivors.