Weave without franklins

Let's say survivors had a perk where the only way to counter it was for the killer to go to the basement for a minute and just wait around and until they did that their aura was permanently revealed. Let's say this perk somehow took up four slots as well, would that be okay balance wise?

Okay and? If something weak when combined with another thing is broken then it does not matter if that one thing is weak if when combined with another perk it's broken. Going back to my example it does not matter that the hypothetical perk I gave does nothing unless you use it for all four perk slots, the effect is still incredibly strong.

Okay fine, it functions by itself by hard countering chest builds and draumaturgy.

I mean if you want to kill the Franklin's combo, just make it so Weave Attunement only works for depleted items or items with no charges (flashbangs, etc). This is the trigger for Weave Attunement anyway.

You'd probably need a buff to Weave Attunement though, so to give a full list of changes:

• The auras of dropped depleted survivor items or temporary items are revealed to you, as well as any survivors within 12m. This effect lingers for 3s after leaving the range or picking up the item.
• Causes survivors carrying an empty or temporary item to suffer the Oblivious status effect.

Note: Killer items like VHS tapes and turrets are "special items" thus are not affected.

This makes Weave Attunement an anti gen-rush perk. It doesn't really stop medkits or flashlights, but it does mess with toolboxes. Dumping your toolbox into a gen immediately will drop the toolbox and will reveal your location at that gen to the killer, and in order to remove it you have to pick it back up and suffer permanent Oblivious.

You then have to move somewhere to drop the toolbox in a safe place, basically undoing the time you saved genrushing.

This also has limited synergy with Franklin's but has to be earned, and Franklin's meanwhile works as a back up to people 99ing their items.

Could also see synergies with maybe even Overwhelming Presense as a counter flashlight build.

Well, since buffing chests is the only constructive idea to 'fix' weaving without completely reworking it, I'm not sure. Removing green maps and broken keys from the loot pool is a good start, no one would ever pick those up (in their current state).

You could make one add-on spawn at random on the chest item, tho that could potentially be an issue unless we limit, say, iri add-ons to not spawn at all, and maybe limit the add-ons to the tier of the item or lower as well. Currently there's no reason to even touch chests, but giving a decent item would mean survivors have the option to A) do an actual secondary objective, and B) would have to drop their current item to swap out.

I'm curious what your thoughts are to improve weaving, since you haven't offered any suggestions of your own yet either.

As I mentioned initially, just because perks aren't necessarily good on their own, doesn't mean that combos aren't too good to consider as well. I'm sorry if my relevant examples offended you, but those perks are also actually useless without the supporting combo as well.

Nowhere did I say kill all perk combos, but just because some things take two or even more perk slots isn't a reason to consider them 'good' or 'balanced'. Lethal pursuer, for example, combos with nearly every aura perk, and I wouldn't say those combos are broken, and those perks are also individually good on their own. So it's possible to pull that off, even with aura reading.

The biggest question in this szenario is:

How have you received your red icon?

Might just be a psychological thing or perception but yeah that’s a fair point 🍰

The combo isn’t that good, survivors just hate Franklins. Pick your item back up and hide it. Not that hard.

Yeah it goes give map wide aura vision on some maps like hawkins or rpd. And even on more open maps the counter for survivors is to go and find an item and then waste time taking it to a dead zone all while your aura is revealed or you are oblivious.

Franklin's and Weave attunement are made for each other. They are the perfect pair and i don't think they need to change.

People are forgetting that Weave attunement already received a nerf since now medkits don't deplete completly when doing a self heal.

That's not a fair comparison as there's a range limit to weave. But hey, still better than the killer running 4 slowdowns!

Well first of all.

No, but you also need to account for the fact that survivors have 16 perks to work with while the killer only has 4. So something taking 2 perk slots on a killer is half their build, but taking 2 perk slots for a survivor is only 1/8th the team's build.

Secondly, you are massively exaggerating how long it takes to counter this combo. You literally, walk to a corner of the map, and press r. Half the killer's perks are now mostly useless.