I generally don't care about survivor-only chapters, as they don't add to gameplay. They're just skins with occasionally pithy voice lines. Nick Cage was an exception because that was a wild meme and loading into Dead By Daylight only to see four No Mither Nicolas Cages plot twist themselves in front of me lives on in my heart forever. But for the most part, licensed survivor chapters are nothingburgers unless you're a fan of their IP. And I'm not into Tomb Raider, and the novelty factor of getting all these recognizable characters into DBD has long worn off for me, so... shrug.

Should they have hyped her more? Oh, sure. But it wouldn't have changed my reaction. Get me a full Tomb Raider chapter and we can talk.

from what I’ve seen online there’s been more backlash because it’s a non horror ip

I’ve grew up basically with the 2013 Tomb Raider game, Lara is going to be my next p100, I do agree that the lack of marketing for her is disappointing, but none the less I’m very proud of this paragraph chapter because it’s fricking Lara herself.

I see Lara content, my money goes bye bye. 🙏🏻

Same single overmastered game type + new survivor skin = hype?

Probably not. Frankly if we don't get at least one other permanent mode of play, it doesn't matter who they add to the game.

Has there been a lack of advertising/raising awareness for this one? There is nothing in the information centre about it, there is nothing from DBD YouTube on it... I don't follow Twitter because its Twitter, and reddit is a bit of beast...maybe it was there? I didn't see it here at first for a while, as there is no mention in the PTB notes about it...

Only reason I found out was because JRM posted a video of one of her perks and made me google it... 🤔

I mean, you are kind of part of the issue then, aren't you? If you buy her it worked, they got to sell the character... Who cares whether people play her or not

Sure, so what? Where is the context? If people still buy characters, despite not wanting them in the game, because they think they don't fit bhvr still gets to sell the character? So why would they care whether you like that character or not as long as you buy it... Survivors are skins anyway, so it is not like people will hate going against that character or requesting changes towards their strenght, the worst thing that might happen is that they want a better looking cosmetic, but then again, as long as people buy it then it worked... If you don't want something to be in the game, then don't support it, don't play it don't buy it... It is really that simple.

There has been little hype outside of what has been said. To paraphrase I also think some people didn't have their expectations tempered after hearing "We have someone who knows how to survive" and see it as violating the arbitrary "strictly horror" rules. Their hype died seeing an "Action/Adventure" and "Horror-adjacent" IP instead of some of the other horror names floating around like Isaac, Jennifer, Sydney Prescott, etc…

The Dead By Fortnite crowd is expecting FNAF soon.

Well words do have meaning if you cannot define something then what is that word good for if it does not give the person you are talking to information? When using words both sides of the conversation should understand the same thing when a word is used. When I say banana, then I can expect the other side to know what I mean.

Sure it gets more complicated with abstract concepts, but there should still be a line of what is and what is not horror aside from the blurry border.

In the last 12 months we've only had 2 original chapters drop being End Transmission and All things Wicked. Everything else has been licensed. I'm putting it down to license fatigue and that also makes the game more expensive for completionists.

In addition to them including skins in the chapters you can buy on steam to artificially increase the price of the chapter and offering no way to buy it via steam without the skins... At least they went back for that concept in the future, but it is still a smack in the face that they did not revert it for the already existing ones...

I don't know, but aren't nerdy geek and sports cannon aka Dwight and Meg not quite stereotypical characters in horror movies? Unless you want to be ultra specific when it comes to the victims in horror movies I would say that basically everyone can fit that role...

I guess that would be a bit specific if it were ^^

But yeahs seems arguable ^^

Edit: Doh, wrote up an essay and then realized I misread your post and completely agree with you. Sorry! Have a like.

To amend, I don't think anyone can claim any of the original characters don't belong in horror. They were created for DBD. DBD is a horror game. We have highly successful horror icons who snark off and have stupid catchphrases. IT is a dancing killer clown. Chucky the tiny swearing killer doll is already in the game. I'll eat my hat if Legion wasn't inspired by The Purge, and the idea that ordinary people you know could be hiding so much evil. The chapter title and trailer support that much more than the power does these days… but yes. Horror is not limited to stereotypes.

In this case it's not about role, it's about the property the character came from and whether or not that property is focused on horror. Resident Evil might have way more guns and explosives than Silent Hill, but they're both full of sequences meant to terrify the player and leave them inching around feeling exposed, underprepared, and never sure when something is going to jump out at them or when they'll need to hide or flee. Tomb Raider has horror elements, particularly in specific games, but they're not designed as a horror game and the experience is very different from playing one of the former two. When you have adequate tools to protect yourself and avoid danger, you shift from horror to action-adventure.

Not that I mind. DBD already jumped the shark in that regard. Nick Cage, Vecna, even arguably Stranger Things. It is what it is, and Lara Croft is cool. I'll be happy so long as we don't end up with New Killer: Teletubby and New Survivor: Otto Van Bismarck.

All fine buddy ^^

As for the ordinary people part, you don't need to go into horror for that… Just look up interviews of the neighbors of serial killer and they will almost always say the nicest things about that guy, that's not necessarily horror, that's just life :D

Honestly, if we get Otto von Bismarck, that would be quite funny ^^ Iron Chancellor of the german empire, however I don't really see how that would work out. Being 83 and dead for 130 years surely does not help with all the running he would need to do in game ^^

Agree with this, but I'd argue that pretty much everything can be adapted into horror. Like there literally exists a Winnie the Pooh horror movie lol and The Watchers is a recent horror movie about fairies (full disclosure, I havent seen the movie yet but have read the book so it's possible they changed things). I personally don't think it's too outlandish taking a character from an action / adventure medium and dropping them into a horror one. Especially since Lara Croft games do involve many supernatural elements.

Richard Grimes

this looks so wrong

I didn’t even know this was his full name??

As someone who's not familiar with Tomb Raider beyond the impression in the collective gamer consciousness and a few wikipedia dives - if the recent games do focus more on these sequences that induce pressure and fear on the player, then she does fit much more into DBD. Because that's the important bit with horror elements. A cannibal doesn't make a game a horror game. Trying to keep quiet and not bleed out as you hide from a cannibal in a gruesome den of their former victims does make a horror game.

But that's an interesting dichotomy with survival horror - where vulnerability is a key component, even if there's a good deal of grit involved in surviving - going against the original iteration of Lara Croft as the ultimate badass, and potentially undermining her identity. Because yeah, that's a direction that works great when you're creating a prequel situation, but doesn't hold once you've passed the gauntlet of character development. But from a game design perspective, you have all these intense and powerful sequences that perform well, and you want to keep doing what works...

Survivors never have the kind of drumbeat like killers. Lara doesn't really belong in DBD and I think devs didn't really want her to be. Her entire backstory and history doesn't fit this "survivor is weak and killer is strong". It doesn't make any sense.

I guess we'll just ignore the 2013 game which is the version we got was literally inspired by The Descent. I swear the DBD community is secretly in a competition with the Dark Souls community to see who can gatekeep the most.