Officially Distortion

I don't mind Weave + Franklins (it only becomes a problem on two-story maps, I think), but for the record, I've seen it in a solid quarter of my survivor games. Maybe one in five, maybe one in four. It's pretty ubiquitous right now - especially with event chests and event items everywhere.

Honestly, this is the better counter in my opinion. I find Weave Attunement burns through Distortion stacks like nothing else lol

"That doesn't make sense since survivors complain about 4 slowdowns harder than they complain about any other perk build."

Except the difference is all the slow downs don't leave the meta ever. They are still kept good enough because they're required. The slightest nerf and the Weave combo is dead as it's barely viable.

"haven't slowdowns been nerfed into oblivion?"

Because they are required and also because slow downs require nearly zero counter play from survivors, they get to still play the same way they always do.

This only works in coordinated SWFs solo Q you can’t control other teammates bringing items and their items will still screw you over. Unless you’re gonna dodge every lobby in solo where your teammates bring an item, this is not a solution.

I'd rather you not put quotes around something I did not say. You took what I actually said and rephrased it as you heard it. What I actually said and what you rephrased it as are two different things.

"Anything that is even remotely decent or requires changing their normal play style is immediately bad and must be removed"

That is what you meant to quote but rephrased. That is me pointing out many players point of view, not a monolith of what happens as you rephrased.

""Except the difference is all the slow downs don't leave the meta ever"

Slow down has in fact never left the meta. Ever. A couple perks here and there, but slow down as a whole never.

The actual context of my points is that survivor only players tend to try and force anything out that's decently good or makes them change their play style. Of which they succeed in almost everything other than slow down because it is required in the game. This is why the meta ends up stale for everyone. That's my point.

Exactly. If your injure, you can go back, pick it up your med-kit, and heal. But ONLY do it if the killer is busy chasing someone. Other items such as tool box and fllashlight need to be left in the corner of the ground after usage.

Another reason using Distortion is good is that it's a huge advantage against a certain kind of Nurses. (e.g. me)

But it's better if all the team got Distortion because the ones without it may get found and chased more often.

I'd not call that "us vs them", I'd call that plain old biased.

It's funny that OoO is extremely strong against the combo but very few people think/know about it.

I don't really see that combo but there is definitely a lot of aura reading and I have considered running Distortion again in every match. I stopped using it as it felt a bit crutch like for me as I was relying on it a bit too much… but with all the aura reading perks/addons these days I am starting to think I should go back to using it as it is such a disadvantage not having it.

You misuse the word bias, as most people do. Pointing out one sides issues more doesn't imply bias. Bias would entail an "unfair" tilt. If one side has more issues or one side experiences something more, pointing that out doesn't make them bias, it just may mean there's more issues on that said side.

If you think it is equally represented for the same reason on each side then please, list the equivalent amount and we can discuss, because I think you're picturing apples to apples when it's actually apples and oranges. I'm more than happy to elaborate as to why as well if you do.

I have very rational reasons for all my opinions, they aren't "bias".

" if you HAVE to stack all slow downs as a killer then the player is
boosted just like a survivor stacking all second chance perks because
they can't play without them, that comes down to a skill issue for the
people that feel they can't play without those things."

I never said this or implied it. I can rephrase my statement if it seemed that way. Also, the game is balanced around the average/bad player, ie mentioning a good player wouldn't need those is pointless. Unless you're wanting to get into how the game should be, as I don't want the game balanced that way, it's just how it currently is.

"I was referring to where you were saying that slowdown is required in the game, it's not required but alot of people use them"

For good players no, stacked 4 slow downs is not required, but the game is in fact balanced around some slow down, generally speaking. The game is not balanced around zero slow down, regardless of how good you are, unless you are on one of the few very high tier killer exceptions to the rule. This is generally agreed upon by most all the community, this isn't really a debated point.

"as to the bias part I do think if you call survivor only players out and
blame them for the staleness that it is bias but that's just a personal
opinion there because I believe players on both roles have their fair
share in accomplishing that, killers complaining about perks/new things
in general that don't need nerfed the same way those survivors do about
killers it all goes hand in hand to create that staleness we have it's
not just survivors,."

You are misunderstanding what I was saying. Yes, killer players complain just as much as the survivors. I was not saying otherwise. What I was saying is how much justification is in those complaints between the two sides. This is in reference to meta perks or features that were complained about and then nerfed. IE many of the survivor meta things that were complained about and then nerfed, were in fact very overtuned. While some of the killer stuff does meet that criteria, the majority did not. Hence why I asked that if you disagree with that statement, then list some examples that you think contradict it and I will lay my points out. This is not bias as I can give you reasons to justify why they are "generally speaking", not the same.

" I've ran into plenty of players who don't need slowdowns, to me that
part of it is really killer dependant on your own skill with said killer"

As I said before, there are a few killers that do not need slow down at all. That's far an away the exception though, the vast majority of the roster requires slow down to varying degrees depending which killer we're talking. If someone's playing a low tier killer and they're winning without slow down then the survivors are bad. It is what it is. That's facts. If they were equally good they would need slow down. The vast majority of players being bad gives a false illusion of slow down being not as required. I'm referencing good vs good for my opinions here, not average games where everyone's bad.

"you'll see more survivor complaints because there are more survivor
players but overall they both change the game for the worse by the devs
simply listening to players they shouldn't be listening to due to their
refusal to want to learn the other side properly instead of just
complain"

I agree.

I don't think the rest of your post addresses any of my points. You said I was being bias, I'd like examples or references to support that claim and we can converse on it.

First, let me just say that I'm on board the "nerf Weave" train. With that said, I don't like you using Weave as an excuse for poor sportsmanship. Sandbagging your team mates is never excusable.

Only reason to drop it in a corner is to prevent teammates from stealing your item. If there was trust between survivors you could drop it next to you while repairing a gen.

How often are people actually encountering this combo? Most of my games are 3-4 slowdown with nowhere to hide sprinkled in