Developer update for changes to 8.1.0 live update is out

I'm surprised they are leaving babysitter as is, i thought the time could've been adjusted

shame that singularity didn't get more reverted and the fact that they're bringing the auto aim back later??? xddd bad players really got too much influence man

I guess it's time to take advantage of Iron Will until the devs inevitably nerf it again.

This is one of the most disappointing updates ever.

You'd think that after 8 years, BHVR would understand that a perk removing one tracking aspect is unhealthy, but apparently, they don't. And no, the fact that it doesn't work while exhausted is inconsequential.

The UI changes are the worst in years, but they are stubbornly releasing them anyway. The loss of the current customization tab will haunt everyone forever, serving as a constant reminder that the game is losing everything that makes it look unique and is instead becoming a mobile game.

Hm. I follow your logic, but I don't think I really agree with it. Like, I run Quick and Quiet and Head On fairly often and that's two perk slots that are not giving me any value for the majority of the match, and they're not applicable in most chasing scenarios because I need to break LoS, have a locker at the ready, Q&Q can't be on cooldown from a previous fast vault, and I need either a previous small loop around the structure or enough leeway so that I can double back a bit and my scratch marks won't be obvious.

I can't always use them, and they come at the opportunity cost of other perks that could have given me value (ex. Lithe.) And like your IW + DH example, they disable themselves - I can't use the combo again for the rest of the chase, and for a while after that when I successfully lose the killer. But when they do give me value, that value is huge, and that justifies bringing the perks. Such is the case with Iron Will, and it's applicable in far more of the match than those two. If you're injured, the killer is nearby, doesn't have clear line of sight or aura read on you, and you're not exhausted, you're getting Iron Will value. That sounds like a lot of conditions, but it's most of the relevant time, whether you're in chase or not.

Agree about the meta shakeup, though. I thought most of the changes were good, Iron Will among them, but there were a lot of weird ones in there or ones that were clearly trying to kill a perk dead, like DS and Self-Care (and the immediate landscape following 6.1 was the worst I ever remember the state of the game being.)

Don't forget you get charges from scavenging a chest via a perk like Appraisal as well.

Ultimately if someone wants to run around to find 3-6 chests to open and/or scavenge for a slightly better BNP, power to them. But this perk conflicts with other survivors running the perk unless they also dedicate an extra slot to appraisal. Ultimately I don't think this perk will see much use after a few weeks of people messing around.

It’s better to do a gen instead of wasting time opening useless chest on the map.

Knight's passive hunt time reduction for being near a guard wasn't eased a bit, which is a bummer. I think it should be there, just not at the rate it is currently.

Edit: Apparently they removed swapping guards when one is active, which was a highlight for me. Very disappointed.

Singu's changes seem fair enough.

Specialist having 6 tokens is going to be annoying, but not for gen rush reasons. I see it like I see Potential Energy, but a little better. Having gen progress that can't be removed is terrible for killer and great for survivor, but the time to get it/amount of chests/needing rummage perks to get the best reduction is a lot of wasted time. I've seen people say it will be used to break 3 gens and I highly doubt it. Deja Vu was changed to break 3 gens and I just see it being used to snowball the last 3 gens no matter the gen spread. Killer or Survivor, it's just going to be annoying.

Stridor is a good buff.

Character selection looks a little better, but honestly still seems wonky to me.

I don‘t like the fact that they give the pods auto aim. At this point they could make the killer player just an AI, when they don’t need to do anything.

Just do your math. Its another noob trap.

Knight could be in a much better spot… i think they could at least give full Map of the Realm to Carnifex and Assassin (12m patrol) and Call to Arms speed partially basekt.

Aside from that, i think Knight will be better to play than the current live version. Lets see how the new Knight plays and what they will be doing for the next weeks

It bothers me that this has become a pretty popular outlook on 6.1.0. It makes me feel like I'm the only one who actually remembers before that patch, and the very clear reasons it happened.

Prior to 6.1.0, a large number of players (not completely new ones, but hardly only small-percentage top tier players either) would be seeing four of the exact same six perks, almost every game, on almost every player, on either side. Not only was this observable, it was also something people were getting sick of. From places like the forums, all the way up to content creator videos on the topic. People had asked BHVR to fix the stale meta for literal years.

We can defend or criticise any individual change made in that patch, but to act like it was an anomaly that came out of nowhere for no reason is really misleading.

Nah, I think it's the opposite. It's profits driven. All of their UI changes this past year are pushing towards shoving the shop in the player's face.

We'll of course test it more but this looks like a side grade at best if not arguably a nerf. It seemed like the primary focus of this entire update with him was not to fix his issues or make him better to play, but to instead just make him more fun to face.

I'm just upset that the bug that we Knight players hated has been turned into a feature, and a bug all of us Knight players called a FANTASTIC QoL change was considered just that. A bug. 🥺