Ok first yes this sounds would make the undetectable status effect useless, if the average pub player had more than 3 seconds of attention span. Those players get surprised by sadako and other killers that give you 5 bussiness days to react to their stealth ambushes, do you seriously think they would be able to listen for footsteps and find if a killer is aproaching, I would be surprised they are looking around while repairing a gen to begin with.

I feel like while this problem does exist it does not affect a sufficient amount of players, those killers can still use undetectable, is it obvious because of the sound cues? Yes, will you still get a jump on them because the average players leaves a lot to be desired? Yes.

Finally, the devs have not yet been able to equalize the survivors grunts of pain so that every survivor has the same volume when injured, expecting them to fix this is pointless.

TLDR I think you are right, but this issue simply does not happen often as the average player is not good enough to use this sound cues.

BHVR definitely isn't trying to balance the game with those sounds in mind, I don't understand why they won't normalize it

Yes, no argument on my part but as I say I doubt bhvr will be willing to put effort into making that. But sure you have a point if we are talking about good players.

I buy most of it but the dredge is stupid, the fact that you will not be mindgamed by dredge because of his audio is something that shouldnt happen, like you remove the whole mindgaming at loops with that killer if your opponent has ears.

I don’t feel like SM is anymore stealthy than any of the other undetectable killers.

Wraith, Sadako, and Myers I’ll give you because they either have really audible cues with their breathing or ambient noise. However if Sadako is just undetectable without being de-manifested then she is easily one of the stealthiest killers because she has no breathing or footsteps.

But SM’s footstep audio is pretty loud. Those boots are stompy. If someone is getting yoinked off of gens against a SM then they aren’t paying attention. She’s no stealthier than GF who is shorter, has darker clothing, and has harder to hear audio cues.

However on these killers:

• Knight
• Nemesis
• Singularity

It makes sense that they are loud as to make stealth unviable, and to force you to use their powers in chase

SM steps are loud? Are you sure? Maybe a cosmetic difference?

I have never heard step sounds from her before, but to be fair I don't actually play against her, I always go next lol

You might be able to hear her footsteps when she's right up on you. But to me she's dead silent, which I just don't like the inconsistency of because there's tons of killers that do have sound on approach. They need to make it one or the other for all killers.

Except he is pretty much the only killer who can’t mind game, which is not a good thing. He’s already a low tier killer so giving him the ability to perform a basic killer function wouldn’t make him much better anyway.

There’s no need for him to have this big of a downside when much stronger anti-loop killers don’t.

This is an interesting idea. I've admittedly only through about how loud Nemesis is!

Honestly, Trapper's weird grunts feel like they are yet another part of his outdated design. BHVR will probably never change it, because they are intent on never changing him for some reason, insisting that he's good for new players. I actually think Wraith is a better killer for new players, but I digress.

What's interesting about your list is that, apart from Nemesis and Trapper, all of these killers have some kind of long range attack or a teleport. Demo, Dredge, and Singularity can outright teleport; Knight can guard snipe (it seems to be his power's intended use now); and Oni can basically turn into the Hulk and end the game with one good use of his power. For some, like Nemesis and Knight, I think it would also feel weird if they didn't make a lot of noise.

However, I agree that Dredge's loud sound effects are overdone. Half the time, the terror radius isn't even necessary because you can just hear it wooshing if it's close. Otz put it best when he said that Dredge sounds like a hurricane. The devs seem to have made it super loud to combat Nightfall, because Dredge makes a racket when teleporting, unlike Demo and Singularity. However, I feel like making Dredge super loud in Nightfall undermines some of the purpose of Nightfall. In general, I feel like Dredge, while well designed and fun, needs to be next up on the block of killers receiving major kit-wide tuning and buffs, now that Knight and Singularity have gotten theirs.

I agree. The only reason I can think of for Demo is that the devs might want him to be loud so survivors can find his portals to interact with them. You'd be surprised how many times I've put a Demo portal down in a spot that I thought was "obvious" only for it to be left alone for most of the game. I would like for Demo to be quieter, though.

Dredge has no excuse. I genuinely believe it needs looking at from a balance perspective.

Why would you want any QoL? Just play something else. Idk if this is ironic or you are legit this biased against contempling any QoL for other players.

And still severely underpowered, he doesn't deserves to have such a big nerf for absolute no reason for his power, the sound is unhealthy for the game balance

I suggest SM, she is quiet