Finisher mori, what about basekit unbreakable?

Finisher mori doesn't make slugging any better or worse, and there is no way we should get basekit unbreakable

There is absolutely no reason why killers shouldn't be able to slug for 4k, especially when every single aspect of the game ask for 4k

"Killers now play a cool animation when they win"

Unacceptable buff survivors

When we had this utterly failure of the Mori/unlimitedUnbreakable PTB, I was actually surprised how elaborate the whole thing was, with all this unlimited unbreakable, literal tunnel vision and tinkered perks.

When I heared Finisher Mori back then, I thought "oh yeah, when all survivors are slugged and no one has an unbreakable left, the killer gets an autowin, so he can't slug them for 4min and everyone moves on", something as simple as that. I never understood why we needed this complex sudden-death mechanic, just let the game end when the survivors chance of, well surviving, are less then 1% without anyone extending the game to griefe.

Back in the days before we had regeneration hooks there often were this situations where you, as the killer, might not have wanted THAT particular survivor to escape, maybe they BMed you or whatever, but they crawled into a deadzone/comp corner, and you could either risk that they escaped and mock you severely in chat, or bleed them out while you occasionally slashed your weapon in the direction of a hook.

In my eyes, the Finisher Mori should have just ended the game in such a situation with a nice finisher and everyone could move on. Does any survivor have an unused unbreakable or is on hook stage 1? Well, then the clock keeps ticking. Is everyone involved on hook stage 2 and got no perk to help? Just end the game. Thats what a Finisher Mori update should do. Maybe even give the slugged survivors without hookstages an option to resign and let them all move on to the Mori. But the whole thing should not offer any tangible benefit to either side, it should just be there to limit griefing and abuse opportunities.

Slugging four survivors during normal gameplay is kinda hard and not the thing you would expect. Did you actually read my comment with an open mind, or did you just came down on it, because it was written by a killer main?

My take was that a Finisher Mori update should remove the opportunity for griefing and BMing from the killers side by just advancing a clearly unwinnable game, without making it this weird sudden death mechanic that it was in the PTB from ages ago, where the Mori would start the very frame the last survivor hit the floor.

But well, I will humor you: if the killer slugs all four survivors, that means that the survivors severely missplayed, as such an occurence is highly impropable. So why do you want to punish the killer for that? At this stage a 4% escape is much more likely then you think. And if the killer babysits each hook until the hanging survivor either advanced naturally to stage 2 or they used up their three unhooking attemps, then this further proofs my point that removing the opportunity to griefing would be a win for the game.

While we are at that point, just give killers the perk "Just Leave" - a survivor who lingers for 40/30/20s at the exit gates area without healing a teammate will get exposed and the exit gates will block for them, until they move further away then 40m from that exit gate. While exposed, their aura will be shown to the killer, thus reducing the ability for survivors to grief the killer and waste unneccessary time.

Now you lost me. I completely argued against the PTBs version of the sudden death mori mechanic, so why do you bring that up?

Agreed, killers should be punished for winning and for survivors playing badly.

I really don't understand why survivors didnt like the original finisher Mori. The number one complained about thing is being slugged out and the finisher Mori literally prevented it from happening entirley. If the killer downed everyone then the game ended. If they didnt down everyone then they all got to get up for free. Seems like it's more of an ego thing not to want the original finisher Mori because it removes the less than 1% chance of actually escaping the killer and getting revenge. So instead people would rather just be miserable for the majority of the time I guess.

That's the problem in basekit unbreakable

instant finisher mori never makes anything different to killers, infinite T3 Myers or oni is ALREADY a menace and a good oni CAN turn any game into a sudden death by the 2:30 mark RIGHT NOW without ANY PROBLEM AT ALL, with basically no danger for themselves EXACTLY AS TODAY

Any anti-slugging perks will just work fine because there is no reason you'll wait for it to activate in very last seconds, all it does is removing unnecessary slugging at the end and nothing else, LITERALLY nothing else

Killers don't move faster, don't hit faster, don't break faster, don't find suvivors faster, there is literally no actual benefit for killers in finisher mori

Basekit unbreakable on other hand is literally one of the strongest perk in the game, and now it's free basekit for everyone, of course this is ridiculous and excessively buff survivors

If all 4 survivors are slugged the game is over the vast vast majority of the time. The finisher mori just stopped wasting everyone's time. It doesn't change the outcome of the match.

Basekit unbreakable is giving all survivors one of the strongest perks in the game for free.

These are 2 very different things.

The main problem with the PTB was unbreakable, not the mori. Survivors were running sabo, going to hook dead zones, offering bad hook spawn maps (like Midwitch) with hook offerings ect. to abuse the unbreakable they all had.

Before someone complains about a killer like Oni slugging the entire team, if that happens the game is over anyway so what's the difference exactly?

If someone has Unbreakable it should easily be used before the entire team is down. If it's the last survivor downed that has it the game is still basically over.