Repeatedly running into this 2 v 1 stand off situation

But, the 25 minute wait is intrinsically linked to the fact that that game has become unmanageable at 2v1. OP even said they had no issue finding them when they eventually started doing gens. Add to that, so many killers slug for the 4K (which whether we want to admit it or not is a massive issue). I went against at least 4 killers out of about 7 games the other day who spent some time hunting for me and the other survivor only to slug when they found us and that was with me getting the other player off the ground twice and trying to do a gen whilst the Bill went and hid in a corner when I was downed (in my final match of the day). Honestly, I don’t blame him. Everything is linked, it’s not one sided. So if killers are bored of the 25 minute hunt they need to accept the game needs to change and not entirely in their favour as many seem to want.

I think the reason 2v8 was so popular was because this didn’t happen.

Respectfully, I don’t feel that Is the resolve you think it is though. Killers find the hatch pretty quickly in my experience (to the point I don’t even try and find it anymore - I think trying to mind game the killer at the doors is more successful). So the killer finds the hatch and then you either have an ECG active with two survivors in the game and can tackle the doors too easily (which killers would rightly not think is fair), or you end up right back in the current situation if the ECG doesn’t activate if none of the survivors find it. The only other option is that the hatch spawns closed with a key somewhere on the map, but then you end up in another situation where survivors aren’t touching gens and are stealthing round the map looking for keys.

Unfortunately, there needs to be something built into the core mechanics of the game to fairly help survivors e.g the less survivors there are in the game the quicker they repair gens or when all survivors are downed one survivor has a chance to get back up following some sort of Lengthy QTE/location objective when downed. But again, killers wouldn’t want this which leads people to the conclusion they just want the 4K easier.

Page 3 of the Tome has a Escape 2 Trials challenge. I imagine this scenario isn't uncommon this week.

Unless BHVR gives survivors an incentive for doing gens, this will keep happening, so far all the answers to this issue has been giving the killer the free 4k, with aura revealing within X amount of time, crows appearing faster, etc. These are all bad ideas, because will put the balance more on the killer side than what already is (60-70% according to BHVR) and this will end up with more nerfs to killer perks, etc. I think the best should be something similar to what Propnight did, each time a survivor dies the remaining survivors gained some extra % in repairing, to the point that the game is not over even when is 1v1, that survivor is able to even repair by himself if he can do it the last gen. This would also help balancing the game in the scenario of your teammate killing himself on the first hook. On the other hand, killers should gain X% of perma haste per survivor killed. In propnight we saw this working and the killers still had the advantage and most % in wining matches.I think games would be a lot more interactive and less boring in a 2v1 scenario with something like this implemented.

I think this would make the game more interactive and less boring in those scenarios.

Survivors can pick themselves up when 2 left. Why does OP feel justified punishing players. Sounds abusive. Object of obsession and iron maiden activates when 2 left. Something in game can resolve this. The pieces are there.

I think this is created from the "Win Condition" from the devs, only escapes matters to them anything else you do in the game don't matter, so why the Last 2 survivors Risk getting fond and lose just hide and try to escape "win" in the devs eyes.

If 2 survivors hide and don't do gens then the killer gets a free kill anyway. It's not a "hide 10 minutes and get out for free". You don't progress and you don't get out. The problem is that the result is already predetermined. Nobody wants to play a 10 minutes game in which it is already clear exactly what is going to happen.

The results don't change because of this mechanic. They just happen before you are bored out of your mind. Survivors can't win if they don't do gens. That's the flaw in your argument.

Then automatically activate the finisher mori on the 3rd survivor when they're down, if they had been revealed by this mechanic. It's that simple. Suddenly they're dead and the other survivor still has a chance to get hatch.

You make assumptions and then judge everyone on those assumptions. I don't need a free 4k. But I want a way out of a match that is over. You don't like being slugged for 4 minutes. Now imagine that for >10 minutes. None of these are good but one is clearly worse than the other.

The only reason I wouldn't take a surrender option is because it would incentivise the last 2 survivors to hide in the hopes the killer will surrender eventually.

We are not even talking about a fair game anymore. Because not doing objectives for extended periods of time is considered against the rules by the devs. With good reason.

You're thinking too small. That's not a solution either.

Imagine how crappy it'd be for the killer if swf's could just bring hatch offerings and go down away from the location or afk at the gate for a virtually guaranteed escape.

At least now the killer can slug or at least travel to the spot during the sacrifice animation.

I must reiterate, it's a complex problem that requires reworking how kills and escapes work towards winning or losing, that's why nothing has been implemented yet.

It being reportable is a temporary fix to discourge it from happening every game, and I'd really like to see evidence of people getting consistently punished for it or a dev comment.

How would they do that? If I'm not mistaken the hooks respawn now.

There are still places that aren’t in range of a hook. And survivors can easily cause this to happen by burning a badham offering with a basement at shack offering.

And it doesn’t matter if hooks respawn, because if the only nearby hook is broken, then a slugged survivor that his flip flop can crawl somewhere that is outside of flip flop hook range, or a slugged survivor that has power struggle can crawl under a pallet. And by the time the hook respawns, the survivor has placed themselves in a situation where they can’t be hooked.

There’s also the situations where the killer was forced to drop a survivor because if things like hook sabotages, and the survivor has so much wiggle meter filled, that if the survivor crawls away from the hooks, then the killer can’t hook them anymore.

I apologize I may just be understanding you wrong but I'm not seeing where any of this would change what I said above.

Places that aren't within range of a hook are map problems and should be addressed. You are describing something that survivors can currently already do in a place it may be possible. I don't know how many of those even exist now but they are an issue that should be fixed.

Flip flop wouldn't have any outcome on hatch spawning, unless you left them slugged for the timer duration.

The survivors wouldn't be able to force the hatch to spawn. You would have to leave one on the ground too long. If they both run to the same corner of the map where they can't be hooked, which would be a rare spot that needs fixed, then one of them would have to be a recent fall. Meaning flip flop would have no effect. Sabo'ing a hook before running there would also have no change because you don't have to down them right away.

You also still have the ability to close the hatch if an offering is used. So you would know where it most likely is and could actually force it to spawn by slugging someone, just to close it.

Hook sabo to force a drop wouldn't have an effect on it either. That would mean no one was slugged for the hatch to even spawn. One would be on shoulder and one would be sabo'ing the hook. In that case you now know where both survivors are as well.

That does throw in the complication of picking up and dropping a survivor resetting the timer though. I hadn't thought of that.

Ah it's so unfair, so we should remove hatches and instantly sacrifice survivors at those situations I guess

Your biggest mistake is buying into that horrible statistic of a 60-something % kill rate. Not only is it completely skewed by survivors throwing matches, and killers getting dominated all match and then having NOED at the end, but it could be the result of the killers having like 80% of their matches be draws. But hey, as long as it comes out to over 60%, killer must be too strong, right? Poppycock.

Aura reveals for killer against survivors not doing anything is not a bad idea. You need to let the killer be able to close out the game. The survivors can already do so too, by doing the gens or getting hatch for free. What is a bad idea is giving the remaining survivors a gen boost. The whole reason killers tunnel is because they're on the back foot from the very start, because mathematically they can't withstand 4 survivors' gen efficiency. Even with really quick chases, the killer loses 2 gens instantly almost every time, starting the game at 3 gens and 1-2 hooks. So they want to get 1 survivor out ASAP, since they must. Giving the remaining survivors a boost negates that advantage. I don't think killers getting Haste in exchange would help either, because the devs will never give killer the Haste % that they need. It'll be like 2% or something unnoticeable.

The thing is, those survivors have completed pretty much 100% of their objective, minus leaving through the gate.

If you kill 2 people or even just tunnel out 1. The game is pretty much a guaranteed loss, unless it has been a fairly even match throughout. So for completing 1 half or 1 quarter of your objective, you have pretty much won the game. Do you feel you deserve the second half of your objective because you finished the first half?

If so, let's say that survivors finish 3 gens with all 4 still alive. In this scenario, the killer still has options, even though the survivors have completed part of their objective. Those options aren't guaranteed to work, but they are there for the killer to try. Should those options be removed? Should the survivors deserve the second half of their objective for completing the first?

Again, this is all assuming the matches are one sided. Balanced matches with back and forth can always go either way.

The game can often feel hopeless enough for both sides. Without some sort of option to try for a hail mary win, there is no point in the match even continuing or the losing side to continue playing. May as well just throw in a forfeit option at that point. Of course everyone's opinion of fun is different. Some may enjoy the hopeless feeling.

To clarify myself, I'm not for survivors holding the game hostage. It's boring, unfun, and a waste of time. It needs a change of some sort. But I get those same 3 feelings when a match feels completely hopeless and I have nothing to try.