Should shopping for lobbies should be gone from the game?

I've wanted this for a long time. I strongly dislike the waiting and how sometimes the lobby seems to go on forever due to people constantly backing out on both sides. All the lobby does is delay the match. When I click play I am ready to play. I don't want to sit there for 60 seconds because some guy isn't paying attention. Then another 60 seconds because some guy didn't like what he saw in someone's profile. It's incredibly boring.

I agree the dodging and shopping around is very harmful for everyone, as it wrecks the matchmaking and leads to the awful backfilling problem so often complained about. Sniffing around for hours played or possible SWF is doing more harm than good now.

Letting their matchmaking system actually function should over time eliminate those horribly lopsided steamrolls. As far as cosmetics and items I think they can be shown still without the ability to dodge, so everything is sped up and the trial starts sooner. Surv perks can be shown as the trial loads in I suppose if that idea gets enough support.

When it comes to the pre-game chat, I'm dubious about keeping it. It's reputation is horrid, and the consoles cannot see or use it anyway.

Couldn't have have said it better than this. Flashlight Squads are miserable to play against unless you use up a perk slot for lightborn.

Because survivors have too many perks/methods to blind the killer. Champion of light is especially annoying when flashlight squads bring it.

I don't believe any playstyle that is meant to tilt the other side can be considered fun, I believe those playstyles are basically, just allowed forms of griefing.

Nobody owes you a kill, a flashlight challenge, stuns, blinds, hooks, glyphs, a Mori, etc. And nobody owes you a round just because they queued up and happened to get your lobby. To claim that the other side HAS to play with you just because they loaded in to your lobby first, is entitlement. Plain and simple.

This goes for Killer and Survivor both: Nobody owes you a round if they don't want to spike their blood pressure, and it's infinitely physically healthier for people to… just not take games that look like they're going to be tilting. It's way more mature to forfeit than to force through a round that you know is just going to irritate you. In sports, that is what mature people do when they realise a game isn't able to be won or in board games when it's clear they aren't going against someone who values a good game or a good time - they forfeit.

Why should casuals want or need to play with sweats or bullies just because those people want a lobby? And that is ultimately why lobby dodging can, does, and will still happen in this game. Prestiges were never the reason why; any experienced player on either side can smell a noob or a sweat a mile away. Why would anyone, except those who really do want the challenge, want to engage in a battle in a casual game that they know they'll lose simply because they aren't bringing sweat?

A lot of players don't wanna sweat. They feel forced to, because the other side does. I play a lot of Survivor, but consider myself to main Killer because it's more fun: and no. Slugging, camping, and tunnelling especially from the word go aren't fun to me. I don't have fun doing it. I feel it necessary at times, but I don't have fun doing it. And as Survivor I do not have any fun trying to waste time going for blinds, going for sabotages, and doing stuff that I know just irritates the Killer for no reason other than to irritate them and make them look a fool. Like for example I get utterly zero dopamine from Blast Mine, I don't find it fun, the only reason I run it is for Blind challenges, which I also hate doing because I know they feel annoying to deal with. I don't find any of these nuisance playstyles fun at all, and it BAFFLES me that BHVR keeps doubling down on challenges and changes promoting them, and that so many people do enjoy them. Have fun, I guess?

Can we quit the us vs. them and just agree both sides have really obnoxious playstyles and they are all valid while also being annoying but you don't HAVE to play against them if you don't want to in this casual tag game? The polarization isn't needed here.

it should exist for the event you get a lobby with a troller you know I’ve had plenty of names I recognize and yeah I’m not playing with you

Being bullied and taking an L are two different things. Survivors escaping immediately after powering gates is one thing. Survivors wasting your time in the game because they want to tbag the entire EGC timer after blinding and stunning you the entire game is another.

I'd be happy with locking people into a lobby and keeping them there. Especially now the Prestige is no longer shown, there is no real reason for it. Killers and Survivors should be able to change their load-outs in the lobby, but that's it.

There are probably a couple of problems with this: 1. A swf which may make a mistake in setting up and having someone launch themself into a lobby alone, and 2. People who wanted to dodge may just kill themselves anyway.

If somebody needed to leave for a genuine reason, they can. However, if it was for lobby dodging, then they should be sent to the original title screen and go through all the loading before getting into lobbies again. More an annoyance and time-consuming than any punishment, but this is what people had to deal with when people would dodge anyway.

Basically, if people want to, they still will regardless. Just make sure the wait is imposed more on those who do, than those who are doing the right thing and waiting.

Does it have to be SIXTY ***** seconds??? Nobody ever readies up and it takes FOREVER to start a match.

Also, I heard that the MMR stops working and they just gives you the first available player (to fill in the lobby-dodgers) instead of giving you someone of appropriate skill. The system isn't transparent at all, so we can't prove that's true, but it sounds like something BHVR would do

Nah. I would agree if you couldnt leave the game prematurely by giving up on hook, then sure take both at the same time.

Ever since BHVR put in MMR, cherry picking lobbies should have been tossed out too. That should have been done at the same time. Never understood the logic to keep it in considering dodging can really bork matchmaking up. Or maybe they fixed it? I dunno—been gone a while.

Don't people just ready up and alt tab out until the game starts any more?

If a squad with matching nicknames, troll skins and flashlights pops up in the lobby, then there is no doubt they're going to tbag throughout the game and at the exit gate. Sorry not sorry, they can get a fifth clown in their company and play against each other in customs because I won't be entertaining them at the expense of my time and mood.

A standard killer experience is supposed to be experimenting with perk builds and how they synergize with the Killer's power, not wondering if they're going to be griefed at the end and have their time wasted by sore winners. People don't play this game to get spat on, but since the game itself doesn't to jack for limiting BM, they try to create a better experience for themselves by not engaging with potential bullies.

And the opposite can work as well since this matchmaking is absolutely ineffective (from my point of view at least) & we can constantly be matched against players under your own level (means total time of gameplay for the instance) regardless the score during your last 10-30 matches…
So lobby shop seems a good thing to avoid that and to have some 'interesting & balanced' matches instead…

He is clearly a survivor main who has never played killer a day in his life. They are easy to spot a mile away, because they boast stats that are ridiculous in a desperate attempt to get their desired outcome.

“I never dodge games as killer and I win 90% of the time.”

Now this is a half truth. Because you can’t dodge games as killer if you never play killer.

Anyhow the only people that advocate for removing the lobby are the most toxic of players. And as everyone has pointed out, nobody owes you a damn thing.

I don’t care that you want to run four flashlights with your friends in your games. I care about that 60 seconds that I have to go pee before the game starts. I care about that 60 seconds I have to go to the fridge for a drink. I care about that 60 seconds that I have to go grab a snack. I care about that 60 seconds that I have to be able to back out if I get that important phone call that I’ve been waiting for for days. What I do not care about is toxic players entitlement.

And that goes on both ends because I want to be able to leave the lobby as a survivor as well if I get a real life thing happening. I also want to have time for the other things I mentioned as a survivor as well.

Players should be free to leave up until the moment they load into the match. So I don't agree with locking lobbies or punishing for leaving lobbies. You either keep it as is, or you load straight into the match the moment a fully party of players is matched, cutting out the lobby entirely.

The latter could have technical issues to iron out first, we don't know.

There's also some niche situations where I think the lobby does serve a purpose:

• While it's not really available on console, survivor communication is useful and if there's any chance of coordinating perks before hand, that's a good thing to keep. Without the lobby this is only available to premade SWFs. But, is it used often outside of SWF? Maybe not.
• Some killer perks are very situational and the choice to use them can be informed by the survivors. The biggest culprit probably being Lightborn. Virtually useless unless multiple survivors bring Flashlights. This perk will flat out never be used if you can't see the survivors in the lobby because it's too much of an investment to gamble on.

I'm not claiming these outweigh the negatives of lobby dodging, but they're factors.

Personally I'd rather them come to a solution for backfilling before they make the rash decision to delete the lobby. If lobby dodging didn't affect matchmaking, I can't say I'd have much of a problem with it.

For example, the only time I really dodge lobbies these days is if I'm playing a friendly game of killer and want to match with a couple of PSN players so I can send a GG after the match and share some clips with them. Unlike the in game chat, PSN chat interactions I have are mostly wholesome.

If "shopping" isn't allowed anymore, it's very simple.

If I don't play my main and I see, say, four toolboxes, I'll close the game and play another one of my hundred of games and come back later.

As I said: simple.

Yes,, I am entitled to leave lobbies that I don’t want to be in. I am under no obligation to play a game with any particular person.

The in game block list does not work properly and I am not going to be forced into matches with people that I’ve previously blocked. I’m not gonna be forced into matches with anyone. The fact that you think that should be the case shows me exactly what kind of player you are..

As I said, anyone advocating for this is looking to make the game more toxic and these are the kind of players that the game does not need.

Any online multiplayer game has a loading lobby. You ask why queue up? Because I can. And until that lobby timer runs out, or I press the button that indicates that I’m ready to start the match, it is at my leisure to leave if I see fit. That goes for whether I am playing Survivor or killer. As I said, I am under no obligation to play games with anyone. I have the right to choose which games I play and which games I do not.

Just as every other person has that right. What I nor anyone else has the right to do is to tell someone they MUST play the game with me. You do not have that right whatsoever in any circumstance. It does not matter someone’s reason. They simply might not like the other person. But it doesn’t matter people have the right to pick and choose who they play games with and who they do not.

This may come across provocative but it’s not meant to be be - I do understand that killers will say they need to prepare. But there are a few things I’ve always found niggling as a concept to this:

1. are only killers allowed to prepare against the survivor load outs? For sure I understand things like toolboxes and flashlights may dictate how a killer would want to adjust, but by that logic, wouldn’t a survivor also want to (not saying should) prepare against certain killer powers? For example whole builds can be meaningless against some killer powers or perks. And of course vice versa.
2. Supposing I’m a killer and see nobody has items which I dislike, let’s say only maps or even better, nothing. What’s to say they won’t end up going through chests or have that rummaging perk and ultimately end up in a match where the survivors have the very things I would have dodged seeing them with before starting?
3. It may be considered ‘scummy’ but if a swf or otherwise did a last second switch out, would I DC? Would you consider that acceptable as a community? Would you see it any different from survivor dc or hookicide during match?
4. There are lots of things killers and survivors dislike about the other side in terms of perks, play styles and actions. some of these are pretty uncontentious - teabagging in an obviously provocative way, slugging for the sake of griefing, hitting on hooks etc and whether we on an individual basis think so or not, they are quite clearly gripes the community as a whole have as being perceived to be toxic. Others are not toxic but are severely disliked, killers for sure must hate players who have the skill to perform fl saves consistently and aggressively, those bringing bnp etc. Survivors might hate franklins and noed and auras for example. But are we saying these things are toxic? No. Though we may wish to avoid a game where I know my item might be rendered useless because of franklins or my heal build or for the people useless because it’s a legion or vomit lady.

The point is, we may have to be careful to toe the line between “this is going to be toxic” just because someone has an item or perk or power.

My solution is to hide all items and cosmetics in pre-lobby and then can be shown at end game like prestiges.

For sure there will be many who won’t like this idea but I honestly believe this is the sort fair.

One of the biggest issues if not the biggest in this game is MMR matchmaking not being able to do its job as well as we’d like. And we know lobby dodging contributes to this considerably.

So this would remove all the second guessing and pre-judging and stereotyping. This should lead to more consistent matchmaking and hopefully a healthier game as a result.

So this would remove all the second guessing and pre-judging and stereotyping. This should lead to more consistent matchmaking and hopefully a healthier game as a result.

Until players are given less options to BM and waste each other's time in the end, this game will never get healthier. Removing pre-lobby information is only going to fuel the toxicity.

I have said in other threads that I would definitely be up for removing the ability to bm (or at least explore them).

Survivors teabagging at the gate can trigger an individually affected Blocking of exit for them, teleported back out if lingering for too long etc (not saying these are easy to implement or won’t have a “yes but what about x situations?” But smarter minds than mine can surely come up with ideas and solutions worth testing at least.

Let’s get the level playing sorted first that leads to stereotyping and so on and also deal with solutions for why people have those stereotypes in the first place as much as can be controlled.