I think it’s time to scrap Lights Out as a concept

I feel like they could do a proper side stealth gameplay mode but doing it this way just doesn’t work tbh

This mode is kinda less fun than the first iteration. And it's because none of the issues of last time were fixed while you added one big new one - now SWFs can just abuse the free 20% basekit speed super easily and finish rounds in five seconds which feels terrible as Killer. Endurance and the AFC are actually just fine and I have no issues with them. They're just easily played around and ignored period.

Survivors get a massive beacon from the Candelabras, so you're better off not using them at all. They do nothing but tell Killer where you are and it's just a liability to use them at all, plus once they are gone they are gone with no guarantee of more except luck, so they're not even that useful and a smart Killer will always just scrap them - leaving you as blind as before in the first iteration. Also you can play around them being broken at all by just dropping them, which means this meant to be limited resource isn't even that limited and the intended way to use them is a liability.

Fix tracking in this mode. Buff it for Killer like you did for Survivor. Scrap the ability for Candelabras, which are fine enough, to blind the Killer to gen auras - period, it's not needed and it does absolutely nothing if the Killer has ears. It's about as helpful as Blast Mine without any of the actual fun of Blast Mine. Instead, make it so Candelabras highlight OTHER things like vaults or pallets, and make them breakable when they fall on the floor or are put down/dropped, there's NO reason they need to be unbreakable on the ground but breakable on gens, that makes no logical sense. And just entirely get rid of the absolutely dumb unnecessary 20% speed buff to repairs you gave Survivors for no reason; being genrushed while you can't find anyone and fumble in the dark is absolutely zero fun and this change was entirely not needed.

I thought at first that it was a fake with photoshop, but no it's real 😂

Would it be possible to disable the Killer Instinct mechanic for this modifier? I think that would help make the experience feel a bit fairer for Survivors (but scrap the gen speed boost to compensate). Otherwise, I don't think there will be much appeal to the mode beyond playing as an info Killer or being in a SWF.

I know players have complained about Legion the most, but other Killers can be a problem too because they have an info component to their powers (albeit to a lesser extent). Wesker, Demo, Vecna, The Twins, Xeno. Even Dracula, although he can only track blood in Wolf mode and it's maybe not as strong an effect.

Of course, Legion would be incredibly weak in this mode if they did so, but it might be preferable to giving them the Freddy treatment. Maybe some Killers could even get new powers for the modifier, like giving Legion the ability to down an injured Survivor with their power. That said, it could be a lot of work to implement all these changes and I'm still not sure there would be a game mode worth playing in the end.

Oni, Doctor, and Spirit as well are problematic for similar reasons in this mode.

I think not every killer can work for every mode and that has to be OK. Several killers shouldn’t appear in this mode as they circumvent the restrictions and spirit of the modifier.

On the plus side, that Yui could've used her flashlight as, well, an actual flashlight (although the Killer would see it a mile away if they were looking).

That was one of he few things I liked about the mode first time around: using a flashlight at an open exit gate as a kind of bat signal for the other Survivors. I can't do saves, so it's the only successful use I've ever found for the flashlights in this game.

The devs must hate survivor players.

Isn't the dredge thing just a glitch? I don't remember it doing that the first time around. Then again, my memory is quite bad so…

after playing a bit more I seriously don’t understand why they disabled hud icons going back to old dead by daylight for a side mode wasnt a good idea

pretty sure everyone would be happy with that 😃

And if they aren't, they can choose not to play it.

Everyone wins.

Lights Out seems like a gamemode where they should just tailor one killer and a set of abilities to it similar to how they balanced some killers specifically for 2v8.

Although I admit it seems like too much work and I kind of agree with everyone they should stop working on it even though I like the gamemode.

It's just way too dark. I wish they made some custom darker lighting setups for some maps and then just had no TR or scratch marks. It would at least be better than what we have now.

You have a valid point. But you are only one player. Everyone has their own valid perspective. So whether the game mode should be scrapped or not should really be determined by what percentage of players enjoy it compared to how much resources go into maintaining the mode. Personally, I don't see how a huge amount of resources would be required for it. The game mode was already created. So only a few tweaks like the candelabra and a banner, badge, and trinket for rewards along with the event tome page don't seem like that much effort to me. So the real cost of the event should be fairly minor.

From my perspective, the changes with the candelabra, repair speed and stuff made the game mode infinitely more playable compared to the first iteration. If they just let us use bloodpoint offerings so we would get the same amount of bloodpoints compared to a regular game mode then I'd be fine with it. I just don't like getting half the bloodpoint rewards for my time spent that I usually would get. I genuinely hated the first Lights Out event though. If they had completely scrapped the idea based on that experience, I would agree with your overall point. But this time around, I'm actually having some fun playing both roles. So I'm glad to see them bring it back. I wouldn't mind seeing it return for a week 2 or 3 times a year.

The thing is that those are things which are in the basic game and are balanced around.

E.g. every Perk that makes Undetectable either has a Cooldown (e.g. Unforeseen), a Tell (Trail of Torment) or a Downside (Insidious). But at the very least you have to do something to make it work. In Lights Out, it is for free.

Same for Scratchmarks as Survivor. You either have a Cooldown (Dance with Me) or a Timer (Lucky Break).

And it is not fun in Lights Out when you play Survivor and suddenly a Bubba appears, who would have had either something to do before to be Undetectable OR would have a Terror Radius. But in Lights Out he suddenly is next to you and you are most likely Down at this point, depending where you are. This is not fun.

And it is equally not fun when you hit a Survivor, have the weapon Cooldown, they vault a Window during that and are basically gone. (Sure, there is Blood and Sound to track, but for Sound you might need to wait for the Chase Music to stop and IMO Blood is REALLY hard to see in Lights Out)

I don't think any killer should be excluded, my friend. I'm not exactly happy rn.

Yeah, this just isn't it. Kind of miserable as a survivor when you factor in the lack of matchmaking+lack of HUD. Really don't see the appeal of this mode. Would rather they put dev resources towards 2v8.

The Rift challenges don't even make sense in the context of the gameplay for this mode. Why would I ever break a pallet during a chase in this mode? You're guaranteed to lose the player you're chasing.

I wish they would bring 2vs8 back instead please bring it still back this year.

i don't think we will. Probably just get the snowman and Halloween event to round the year out and that it. You got shuffle to look forward to at least

No! Lights out is just a scary unbalanced take on the base game! It's not meant to be taken ultra seriously, just a fun bit of variety from the devs. We should be encouraging more unique modifier experiences like lights out and my little oni, not less!