Seems like gens are going faster than normal

The community complained about games going on too long so it forced the devs to make games shorter. Unfornately survivors also hate short chases.

Yeah but then nothing would have really changed, meaning the point of making gens take longer was effectively cancelled out by this hook timer increase which would have made the change redundant. I think this hook timer change provides good teams with way too much wiggle room for free when compared to lower tier players.

I agree, DBD is in need of new core objective badly

There is no such thing as being good at the game lmao. Every trial is a matter of luck and opportunities given to players. Skills and competitive players are a joke.

There is nothing worse than a fast-paced trial. In DBD both sides need time to make their plays happen.

I'm gonna try gen defence tonight just for you, because you've piqued my interest. Maybe I've been crazy all this time, and gen defence is still the best thing ever. Or I'll have my point proven, and lose harder than if I just used chase perks with Rancor.

The problem with the scenario you're suffering from is that you can't do anything to counter it. You're just hoping that you chase a survivor who doesn't know how to loop. I've had games, as I'm sure a lot of us have had, where I chase 1 survivor near shack, drop it because it's a bad chase and go to survivor 2, and leave because it's a bad chase to take at a jungle gym, go to survivor 3 who Sprint Bursts away, and then on my last hope with survivor 4 he gets to a god pallet/window at main. So where was my misplay? I detached until I found a good chase, except I didn't find one. Do I just accept the loss, because no matter what I do I'm engaging in a chase which wastes a game-losing amount of time? What was the game-winning play from the survivors, other than running to non-interactive tiles which waste a predetermined amount of time?

So despite dealing with teams like that all the time, I'll try gen defense tonight. Use a shaman build, or a Eruption/Surge type thing. I'll try everything. But my experience has not lied to me, and so these matches will not be easy.

Yeah, I've had so many hooks lately which very clearly should have been 2-hooks, but even though the survivors took an eternity to save, "Wow!", they still got the save and suffered no additional risk or slowdown. Survivors can hook trade all game, and it's still a net positive on time for them, and that hook change just makes the strategy stronger.

How many games do you win or 2k out of every 10 games you play? My guess like the majority of players who play killer, your win rate is above 50%, you rarely 2k and you rarely flat out lose (3 out or better).

Nope

go play several games of solo q and report to us how many games survivors did not stop working on a gen in order to go unhook immediately. You are rarely seeing a solo group make use of those 10 extra seconds, solo teammates love to unhook asap

Cook pressure with knockout and get hooks after you've created time to get them. If you get the opportunity to knock everybody down, take it.

It's not cherry picked or extreme. It's well within the realm of possibility. It's why killer win streaks are a joke, because you can just go against bad teams 50 matches in a row and not suffer 1 loss. Kind of like what happened with me tonight. No, I'm not gonna include gameplay footage because I didn't take any, but here's what it was when I tried gen defence, which I constantly preach against as being weak. My builds, killers, and results:

Ruin, Undying, Wretched Fate, Pentimento:

Wraith 4k

Clown 4k

Pallet Freddy 4k

Huntress 4k

Deathslinger 4k

Pop, Pain Res, Overcharge, Call Of Brine:

Nemesis 4k

Demogorgon 4k

Dredge 4k

Ghost Face 4k

Xenomorph 4k

So I set out to prove that gen defense doesn't do anything, and I just kept winning. But you know what was common in all of those matches? (Ding, ding, ding, ding!): Bad survivors. Either they had no clue what they were doing, or they were overly altruistic. I didn't include the maps, but 2 of those matches had Badham and Azarov's, 2 maps which the survivors can pretty much guaranteed win on, at least if they split map on Azarov's. I played with not so strong killers imo. No Nurse, Blight, or Spirit, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't experienced with each of the killers I did use. But this all goes to prove what I've said. At any time, the survivors could have just broken all my hexes in 30 seconds, put up a chase that lasted longer than 45 seconds, actually do gens quick, or run to the window infinite on Crotus Penn Circus main. They didn't do any of that because our lovely MMR system decided not to work tonight and gave me complete mismatches against noobs.

And it's sad that the moment will pass, the moment of joy where I actually got to do stuff as killer and it would work, because I was facing a lower caliber. I can't remember the last time I was able to pull off consistent Slinger shots or Demo shreds, because the hitbox on those is usually pretty pathetic and the survivors take full advantage of it. I'm also not used to the gens not all finishing, because yes I usually don't use gen defence, but it's for the sole purpose that survivors who don't give constant downs turn you pressure with those perks to mush and completely wastes them. But I guess, tonight, all of a sudden I'm just a really good killer player getting all these 4ks? No. Of course not. I'm not bad, else I wouldn't have gone out on a limb to do this experiment, but I've played enough to see that it's not a lack of skill holding me back. There's just no tools for most killers to use to beat good survivors; you're completely at their mercy on whether they throw the game or not. Some matches you could've had 10 perks equipped as killer, and would've still got squashed like a bug from all the ridiculous stuff the survivors were getting away with because of their perks and maps.

For once, in like 8 months, I felt like I had some degree of control in my killer matches. I'd like to experience this more often, instead of 1 in 100 games. Maybe your opponents' caliber is tied to the perks you're using? I'm gonna do whatever I can to stay at this difficulty level, because I don't want to go back to sweating every single match. Maybe I'll play like once a week to keep my MMR low, or lose a few on purpose. I've been told that's "smurfing," but I've also been told being put with lower skill survivors is just "the MMR putting you on your correct level." Whatever. Just keep me the heck away from good survivors. The game's not balanced for it.

just play for draw,tunneling hard,so the devs are happy with the genrush meta

The math doesn’t bear out; a 60% kill rate isn’t average and it doesn’t lead to 80% draws.

Theoretically it can, however a 60% killrate (ignoring draws) results in roughly a 70% Killer winrate, which is far more 'normal'.

If you have 5 matches, 20 results, 12 kill and 8 escape for the 60% kill rate. You can have 4 matches of 2K+2E, and a final 5th match being a 4K. That means the important factor here is Killer has 20% winrate, and Survivor has 0% winrate, or Killer has an infinitely larger winrate than Survivor.

The most common result from my matches on both sides is 3Ks. The set of 5 matches with mostly 3Ks results in an 80% Killer winrate (3K1E 4 times) and a 20% Survivor winrate (4E 1 time). So the most common result is even worse than the average (ignore draws), with 4x Killer winrate in comparison to Survivor. I think it is important to stick to the average though, so ~69/~31 results in ~2.2x Killer winrate over Survivor.

If we had balanced winrates (winrate = killrate), then Killer would win 1.5x more often than Survs, and IMO that should be the goal.

If I wanted to abuse the numbers and claim 'Killer doesn't win enough' I would use the 4 draw set and ignore Survivor winrates (or falsely claim draws are actually Survivor wins). If I wanted to abuse the numbers and claim 'Survivor doesn't win enough' I would use my honest most frequent result of 3Ks for my arguments. Using the 'no-draw average' is the most fair assessment, as it is the least biased.

To calrify was not speaking about gen progression perks i meant Gen progression as a whole whenever there is a heavy nerf to gen regression for example Pain res is in it weakest form it has ever been pop in the weakest form it has ever been, that is a buff to gen progression and huge buff

5% gen kick means you lose around 3-4 seconds of gen progression and that can only be done 8 times per gen so not really that strong when you look into it and its kind of convient you both left out toolboxes and BNP which the BNP there is no counter or reversing once applied same as innovcation (with innovcation at least there is a very strong cost

Also if you have a look at the gen progression perks a vast majority while low value offer more of it consistently so for example take the new Quick gambit yes it was nerf from 8% to 5% but now it mapwide which means anyone working on a gen will get a consistent 5% gen progression buff plus whatever they brought in Toolboxes perks etc

but all of this wouldnt really matter if the base game was in a more healthier place as here the thing if survivors are effiecnt then the gens will go in a instant even if they dont have gen progression perks or toolboxes that is fact the perks/toolboxes just make the situation even worse. If devs focus on the base game with meanigful changes for example base kit corrupt/deadlock which attacks the gen effiency then we can move this game in a healthier direction as killers would have more confidence in going for more chases which means more fun gameplay which means win win for everyone

Quick Gambit deactivates for a full minute upon being injured

Again though, what gen buff can even shorten 90→80s gens, or if it existing during 80s gens, made it faster than before? You need ~13% consistently to even negate the 6.1 gen buff. Quick Gambit is fair, and I think it may be a bit overtuned, however there are multiple facets to it.

1. Quick Gambit lasts until injured/downed, so ~20-30s is about how long you can normally expect to benefit from 5% per genning Surv.
2. Most of the game revolves around 1 person on gens, 1 in chase, 1 on hook/healed, 1 rescuing from hook/healing. So early game you might reach this theoretical 15% boost (3x5%), the majority of the time you actually get only 5%
3. Nothing stops a Killer from dropping chase in a bad area, or from a giga-juicer. This means the strength of the perk is always in the Killer's control.
4. All that being said, I'd be fine with pre-nerfing it down to 4%. The yellow bar making teamates stick to gens is more powerful than the 5% anyways. Also the teammate auras make sure you can go where the Killer isn't going to have as easy/rewarding of a time dropping chase.

Gen kicks rarely reach 8 events on a single gen, so the hindering aspect nearly never happens. Even if we assume you get 2 gen kicks per gen, that actually makes basekit gens 99s gens instead of merely 90s. We basically have 100s gens if you merely kick twice. Then you also mention BNPs/toolboxes, so I'll detail those.

Old BNPs gave 25% of 80s gens over 5s. That is 20 gen seconds, however since you would work 5 seconds anyways, it really only gave 15s. New BNPs give a single skillcheck for -10 charges, or saves 10 seconds, and makes regression slightly weaker. How much weaker? Well Pain Res regressing 20% max gets rid of 18s on 90s gens, or 16s on 80s gens, so it only shaves 2s per Pain Res. For a BNP to be better now than before, that specific gen needs to be hit by 3 of the 4 Pain Res', and it only hurt the Killer 1s (15s vs 10s+2s*3 for 16s). So unless you are saying every gen gets hit with 3 Pain Res', BNPs were still nerfed/weaker than before.

Toolboxes are often a false scapegoat for people, simply because they hasn't been touched in so long. For comparison, a brown Med-kit saves 8s, and a brown Toolbox saves 5.33s, and the Purple Engineer Toolbox saves 8s, so Toolbox complaints are red-herrings. Toolboxes haven't been meaningfully changed (for gens) since before 6.1, except one major flaw. My goshdarn Alex Toolboxes got nerfed from 24 charges to 18! What the heck was this nerf? I would 100% be on board with nerfing Commodious and buffing Alex+Engineer (the 2 Purples) to each be 24 charges. That would nerf Commodious/event toolboxes from saving 10.66s down to 8s, and buff Engineer up from 8s to 12s. A purple being 50% more effective than a Brown seems perfectly fine.

Why do I keep pulling back to 6.1 standards of gens? Well I honestly think the games was in a better balance state before it (overall). Many of the basekit Killer buffs were fine to good to great (since they mostly buffed M1 Killers), but I was winning the vast majority of matches before it was implemented, and I played mostly Ghosty/Clown/Legion/Myers at that time (I still do, but Dredge and Singularity are also in the rotation). Skill is what Killers need, not more buffs. The game is only unhealthy at the moment, because tunneling is too easy right now.

Finally why did Pop/PR/Grim/Deadlock get nerfed? Because bad Killer players were doing the same 4 slowdown stacking and forcing BHVR to nerf them due to inflated killrates, just like the horrible 6.1 Eruption/Call of Brine/Overcharge. Using those perk setups (pre-nerf) was effectively a free win, so something had to be done. Essentially, they (those bad Killers) ruined it for the rest of us. If they could have held back and only equipped 1 or 2 of the perks, they wouldn't have been nerfed. Personally, I would like gen slowdown perks to be boosted by 50% when being the only gen slowdown perk equipped. That way people will naturally only want to bring 1 gen slowdown. Specifically I would have this apply to Entity Block perks, and gen regression perks. Thana/Penti/Wretched Fate would be exceptions to this rule. (I wouldn't want 45% slowdown from a single Penti totem, although they might still need to negate the 50% boost for other perks.)

Yeah it is obvious delusional cope. The real reason is probably that they use 'winstreak' definitions so anything that isn't a win is a 'loss', even though everyone recognizes ties/draws exist in every other context.

Do the potential math that leads up to that 60%, and you might end up with drawing 80% of your matches as killer.

You could, but you're not going to. 2Ks are by far the least likely outcome, so that 60% kill rate will mostly produce 3Ks or higher.