Why do people pretend that looping is even a thing in this game anymore?

yeah its a blessing we have bad players that help even the field

Then you could just loop shack pallet itself. And yea that Dead Dawg loop is entirely a 50/50, that's why he gets hit several times even in his own examples showcasing it.

And when he doesn't get hit, it's because the killer can't aim, like at 8:12. Seriously, have you watched that clip?

I mean sure looping is still viable, if the killer is drunk. But that's pretty much the only thing I can conclude from this video.

I'm not arguing against that, just that it's misleading to recommend these videos as an argument of how supposedly strong looping is.

If anything, Tatorhead's actual gameplay on twitch shows how irrelevant looping really is. He is a Youtuber, experienced player, and arguably a good looper, so arguably should be in the top of the playerbase. And yet he still goes down in 30 sec, barely more than the average player, and still has roughly the same escape rate as the average player (~40%).

I genuinely believe OP has a point when he says you should prioritize press W over looping. Maybe not discard looping entirely as there are still some pretty good tiles, but even on these tiles, it is often better to take a hit at the right moment that will allow you to get back towards the center of the map, rather than greed the loop for 5 more seconds that will possibly result in you being zoned.

I mean the loops he shows do work, especially if you're running resilience, lithe & finesse. I do think the margin for error is exaggerated though and much smaller than he implies when making videos about them. They aren't infinite loops by any means and I've found if you can run them a couple of times it's usually better just to leave the loop and hold w to the next area if the killer tries to mind game than keep running it.

The dead dawg one is probably one of the easier ones he shows and you can definitely get at least 2 full loops out of it normally if you're in the correct starting position. If you're already in chase and run to the first vault you might only get one loop if you're lucky.

The loops he shows with blocked LOS in small areas are significantly harder though and essentially 50/50 as you say. Obviously he cherry picks his chases for videos and they aren't always going to work with certain killers that have anti loop at windows & pallets, but it's always good to have more map knowledge on zones that can work if you happen to be in that spot so I wouldn't really say it's bad to recommend any areas to people if they can indeed improve your map knowledge and awareness.

I played 4 games last night. One of those games was worth while, ONE!. The rest were people giving up, camping, tunneling. I logged off and played something else .

These videos from tatorhead will be irrelevant soon. Look at Decimated Borgo and The Unknowns map for examples of how BHVr are balancing maps now.

SwAmp and haddonfield got reworked recently, and while their main buildings were untouched, there are massive dead zones in both maps corners essentially making the map even smaller.

Smart killers will leave players who are using main buildings/strong loops and go for the the rest of the map that is just 50/50.

I don’t need to pretend, I actually know!

What? No one is going to talk about the cheater pallet on Hawkins top floor or this RPD cheater infinite pallet?

She knows who she is who told me this secret.

Pallets are there to hinder the chase for the killer. BHVR seem to have forgotten this because pallets have been terrible for years now. When the killer can lunge attack around the obstacle and be on the other side of the loop by the time you’ve dropped the pallet there is something massively wrong and that’s how most pallets are now.
That’s why people are losing the ability to run it - they shouldn’t have been nerfed in the first place.

I understand killer issues with there being too many safe pallets but they’ve gone the polar opposite way now. Most maps are still littered with pallets but 90% of them are pointless and the good ones get chewed up early on. Less pallets on the map but them being viable in chase needs to be the way to go.

It’s not just about pallets though because jungle gyms and windows seem to have been nerfed too : to promote a less conducive environment for fast vaults (or any vaults at all) and hit validation on windows and pallets definitely favours killers now. I’m so sick of hits landing that clearly shouldn’t have done, when I’m virtually through the window or on the other side of the pallet. Or, trying to stun a killer and they hit me through the stun, and teleport to my side for added measure wasting the stun, the game teleporting ME to the killers side when i try to drop the pallet or the button prompt just disappears when the killer is near the pallet. The game honestly needs to get a grip of this at the moment because it’s atrocious.

please tell me this is some satire I’m just not picking up on?

Problem is that most of the main buildings you can reach after being hit from most of the map away with the exception of some killers, and what do you do when the whole team knows this and keeps running to them? Unless you catch someone injured you’ll never get any pressure as they’ll just run to safety you don’t have time to waste running as killer and then reset/heal.

As if. No one in soloq knows how to chain a loop nvm running main structures perfectly.

15 mins ago I had a Haddie drop the corner pallet by the freezer room and then didn't even loop that correctly. She then proceeded to do no gens, leave me to die on hook 2 stages and then left with sole survivor.

I do remember fondly one match against Ghostface...

It was shortly after his release, and I was playing solo on Old Haddonfield. I was the first to be found and chased for 5 gens.

Then my teammates left me to die.

But you should be able to loop the majority. And that isn't really possible anymore.

Have you got any clips from your games perhaps we can give feedback on how you can improve.

Bhvr is horny for filler pallets and anti-loop killers

interesting list. I kinda agree with most of it but really disagree with a couple. I think slinger is criminally underrated but why is he not really loopable?

Safe to loop

If u have no way to threaten a pre dropper than your easy to loop in my opinion. bubba can possibly zone off a fast pallet break but it not enough. ( Bubba, Pig, Myers, Legion, Ghost Face, Wraith, Sadako, Freddy, non power Plague/Oni)

Fair to loop but not free

These killers can threaten a hit on a drop pallet so it more of a 50/50 (Xeno, Nessmiss, Huntress, the new Knight, Demo)

Fair to loop but extremely relentless in pursuit

They usually can be on top of u at all times for onc reason or another. They get chances to hit you before u can even can make another loop after breaking a pallet. (Wesker, Chucky, Blight, Billy, and Singularity who have u slip stream)

Can't loop them but it acceptable

They spend 2 gens setting up for there power. (Hag, Trapper, oni in power)

can't loop but can be pre drop

They all great tunnelers. You can maybe loop them if there tiles that can be chain around but other than that u gotta pre drop. (Doc, Clown, Pyramid Head)

Can't loop but can be shift w

these killers take longer to place their power down beside skull merchant so u can run. Once the power down at the loop the tile useless. (current Skull Merchant, Dredge, Artist, old Knight)

Can loop but they kinda counter pre dropping & shift W

Well people hated the power drop anti loop archetype so they made killers who force u to play the loop. (Dracula, Venca)

Can loop but it very tilted in the killer favor.

If the player very good u can't really do much to stop them. (spirit, nurse, twins victor, Trickster at non high walls)

people who I'm not sure about. Unknown, pin head, slinger, plague in power

What else is there to do? If you’re being chased by the killer you’re either trying to loop or going down and being hooked. If you’re not doing that you’re either trying to play stealthy which killers and survivors moan about because you’re not contributing enough or sitting on gens which despite being the main objective killers also don’t like because you ‘just want to gen rush with nothing stopping you’ as someone so eloquently put it earlier. Survivors don’t have much else to learn to do.

A moon walking bubba can be extremely dangerous but they more rare than a curving billy before the buffs.

What game does though?

Tekken teaches basic combos but not how to use frame traps or spacing; Call of Duty teaches how to duck and shoot but not how to peek or pre fire, games don’t teach map knowledge it comes with time practice and a desire to improve.

All you’re trying to do is keep the killer as far away as possible so it’s not rocket science to learn you keep them on the opposite side of obstacles and run away to safety when you can.

It doesn’t take the time you’re suggesting to get the basic knowledge, like any game when you want to improve you can find a 10 minute YouTube video on how to run away from the killer etc. Once you have the knowledge the rest comes with practice and time in game like every game and sure the more time you can put in the more improvement you’ll see sooner. But the same is true of every game.

If MMR worked properly then you should be facing players of similar skill levels so the killer won’t know how to loop either and miss hits etc, but MMR is another topic.