Ok, this mentality need to stop. (Survivor players DC)
I don't know what is going on today, but today I wanted to do killer challenges and have some fun chases…
But as soon as I load up - there are 1-2 survivor players instantly leaving the match, it happening so often today, I know the reason why are they leaving, and I felt like… Let's have a "final" conversation on that part…
I'm not going to create anymore similar threads about it personally, and this is my message to this topic:
Dear survivor players - if you q-ed up to a match - be ready to face ANY killer from the whole cast of characters. Do not expect to face only killers that YOU like.
Leaving from a match as soon as you heard a hatchet, or saw a xeno's stations or etc - Is just bad, spineless, low and embarrassing towards your fellow teammates.
If you play as a survivor - first and foremost - you are a team player. Put your ego and preferences aside and think about other 3 or 2 players in your team and how your bad action is going to affect other players experience. If you don't care about other players in your team - don't play as a survivor, it's not for you.
Have some moral principles and basic respect to other players, not only other survivors, but also the killer. I'm playing both sides, I also have killers that I hate to face, but you will never find me DC as soon as I saw them, nor you'll find me DC if the match is going wrong. I have respect to other players and I want everyone in my team have a good time and I want to be useful to my team - this is why I play survivors regularly.
The mentality like this (DC first seconds of the match) - hurting the game. Hurting the experience, and creating a negative impression in new players about the game.
Pay some respect to other people that you play with. If you can't, don't want to, or don't care - don't play in a team, play as a killer alone.
Much love to all of you guys, sorry if I was a bit harsh, and have a beautiful day\evening. ❤❤❤
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Your post is very antagonizing and assumptive. It doesn't mean they DC because you play a certain killer they dislike, they could also DC because of server issues, power outage, or whatever that could lead to a DC.
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the whole point in having bots is so that when someone DCs the match Carries on. It personally doesn’t bother me as half the time the bots can play better than some people.
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The devs said they have no plans to address it and the recent heavy handed nerfs directed at SM only act as a reward to this behavior/mentality. This seems to be the direction the game is intended to go.
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I know it, this is why I'm not addressing my message to developers. I'm addressing it to players.
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they also said they would rework her later on
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Then why is there a disconnect button?
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For circumstances where it would be acceptable to DC, such as a genuine emergency. That's also why the initial DC penalties are lenient.
You're not, however, supposed to use that to DC because the match isn't going your way.
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Even in dota 2 ranked or League of L ranked - there is a exit button. It doesn't mean you are allowed to just because you didn't liked something about the match, you even getting a warning each time you are trying to quit.
Your very first message in my topic is exactly: - "Mentality that need to stop". Please pay respect to your fellow teammates or play alone as a killer.
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Because Killer reworks have consistently been successful and never been delayed or reverted.
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Please also note the Forum Rules do not allow for the encouragement or endorsement of negative gameplay behaviors, such as DCing.
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I'm not assuming anything, I'm just saying how it is.
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The problem is the people who are rage quitting matches like this have a million of "excuses" as to why it's important for them to be quit at a moment's notice.
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I wonder if they think it's too late to punish people harder for throwing matches, because they obviously spoiled community too much and for too long to start asking just play game they press "ready" button for.
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The best solution is to queue up serial DC’ers in their own queue so they only ruin each others games. They can make it to where they can get back in the regular queue after playing through 10 matches without DCing. Probably should include people who suicide before 2 gens are completed and don’t have Kobe perks equipped.
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No, you can clearly tell - when players DC manually and when they are having server issues or power outage.
Again - Nobody is allowed to feel free to DC when they didn't like something about the match. It's even stated in the TOS of this game as Mod mentioned:
It was always been like this.
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I know what you are talking about - in dota it's called: - "Low priority system".
But dbd just simply can not afford it due to player count, since Low priority is a different game mode with it's own q times.
Dbd just doesn't have enough players to have a permanent different game mode. Unfortunately.
This is why I'm just trying to bring some moral into some of players and encourage them to play the game for the sake of other players. Not ruin the experience of others in the match.
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Players who continuously DC do get punished - they get banned for matchmaking for potentially a very long time depending on how frequently they do it. What else can the devs do about other than I guess make the punishment more severe for less frequent DC's?
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Bots are not fixing the issue - It's a PVP game.
Playing against AI dummies in PVP games is just shallow, empty and emotionless. When I'm playing a killer and I forced to play against AI - I'm just not having a good time, I'm getting bored. Because there is no satisfaction of outplaying AI dummy, chases with them are boring and empty (2).
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Sorry if my message seems like I'm asking the developers about this issue. But I'm not.
I'm talking to Players. The developers already gave us what they could in this regard - DC penalty. Now it's on the players.
I'm not the part of this community (I don't believe so) - but I do believe, that this community is full of people with high standards regarding a good sports in games.
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So you want an unfair game if someone DC's so its a 3v1 and unwinnable for the 3 with 5 gens up.
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I actually would prefer that ragequitters continue to DC so that they can get perma-banned and not be a problem for us anymore :)
(Note that this is NOT encouraging players to DC, but rather a statement that I would rather have them do it to the point of being perma-banned than having them not be banned and still be able to do it occasionally!)
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No? He's literally been stating how he wishes players to stop DC'ing, if people would stop and just play through the game then there wouldn't be any unfair games.
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No, I don't want anyone to DC in the first place! I don't want to play with or against AI dummies! I hate unfair matches!
I want to play the game fair!
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Dear survivor...even though you paid YOUR money to play a game you have to play it the way killers want you to play it. Sincerely Killer
Basically the same thing you said.
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I don't know what to tell you if you think that, if you paid money for the game you should be freely allowed to spoil or make other players experience miserable.
I mean.. Is that why are you playing the game? Just to make other players experience miserable and unfun?
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My friend, yes you paid money, but you also sighed the agreement of TOS.
Leaving from matches is just not appreciated in ANY game where YOU being a part of a team.
You see… This exact mentality of players who thinks they can leave whenever they want - is something I'm trying to encourage NOT doing. Besides I'm not ordering people how they should PLAY the game. I'm telling them KEEP PLAYING PLEASE! Don't leave your team because of your personal preferences!
Read my post message again - I'm not ordering people of how they should play!
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People take games way too seriously, gee
Its a game guys, nobody in real life is gonna die because your game was ruined by someone else
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Exactly! This is why I'm telling that if you have a rough match - nobody in real life is gonna die if you will keep playing!
Oh wait…
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Yeah unfortunately it seems to be getting worse and worse. What I find even worse is that people still think there should be no DC penalty.
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But it waste the time of 4 other players, in about 50% of the games.
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Neat thing about this game is you can choose to play with your team and increase the overall chance of survival or strike out on your own and play for yourself
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Every time I hear: - "Play for yourself" when it comes to survivor gameplay - I always see it as a crouched Claudette hiding in lockers waiting for a hatch. :D
I mean, even if you "playing for yourself" - you still need to participate in unhooking, repairing, taking hits for teammates, flashlight saves\pallet saves (if possible), etc. Team play - is the nature of survivor gameplay.
This is how developers want us to play as a survivor.
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Ive seen a lot of people say "Survivors DC or give up because they dont feel like they have a chance of winning matches and the game is favoring Killer at the moment" but frankly I just think it is burn-out more than anything else.
If you are frustrated with DBD, just dont play the game, nobody is forcing you to play except yourself, and I dont see the point in playing a game that actively makes you upset or frustrated.
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Sometimes, the most dangerous Killers are Survivors! I've lost probably more trials due to others giving up than because of the Killer's ability or my errors.
It's been mentioned before about low-priority lobbies - which I have also advocated for in the past - and note a reason given is the low number of players. Yet DBD has millions of players, and according to Active Player stats, it's averaging 2,000,000 per day:
Before it's mentioned, these figures are not 100% accurate, but accurate enough to show the figures are around about that area. Should this be correct, would the argument that not enough people are playing to warrant a separate lobby is not applicable in this case?
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If this is how developers want us to play survivor....they need to make changes to make it worth it. So far the only thing/changes I've seen is longer gens....responding hooks and nerf to distortion. Basically forcing people to either play for the tunneling or have a miserable game experience. Im talking about personal experience and friends who left the game for these reasons. Again, I paid a lot of money in packs, skins etc . Once again .. if I don't want to cater to killers, I don't plan on it. Again...this has nothing to do with disconnecting or advising to do so...
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I believe this is already happening this all the survivor bonus I'm seeing these days compared to killer. I know others swear it's not true ..but it's been for since lve had a good killer bp bonus
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2m players? I don't believe it.
Look - right now DBD has 50k on steam - that's accurate number. Even if PS, Xbox, Epic games or other platforms have 70-100% more players than PC steam - it will not go up to 2m.
Just no shot. Very hard to believe, I think the numbers on the link are waaay off. It doesn't even feel in game - my q-times should be rocket-fast 24\7 if there are 2m players on average.
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I suppose it depends on how many of that quantity are choosing to play which roles, alongside lobbies, lobby dodging, mmr not being great and so on.
As mentioned before, I don't believe these are exactly 100% accurate, but when you consider CoD: Warzone currently has an estimated 14 million players averaging per day and GTA V averages 7 million, it's not so unbelieveable.
However, I still believe there are sufficiently enough players for this game to have a low-priority lobby. They can have the longer waiting times, whilst those who play through consistently can get better lobbies with more reliable players. I feel this is something the devs could look into.
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fix the crappy solo aspects of the game or people will continue to dc and give up. It's totally warranted, hopeless matches are no longer few and far between, they're pretty damn common in my experience (I see people with similar experiences on the forum but I can't attest to their experiences).
People play the game to have fun, nothing is fun about some guy tunneling a teammate out in the beginning which your solo team is unlikely to recover from because matchmaking sucks; so your 3 randoms have 0 clue how to handle the tunneling. Worst yet, trying to recover from this when 1 teammate is doing stuff like unhooking asap in front of killer or refusing to be a member of the team.
Nothing is fun about realizing at 4 gens that the game is over and dying now/quitting is the most efficient option to get the most out of your time. It takes forever to find a lobby, queue up, and load into the actual game (not accounting for lobbies where someone leaves and makes this much longer). Yet, your match can be determined in 2 minutes.
If there is this giant DC/give up pandemic, does no one have the idea to figure out why? Surely, we should advocate for harsher punishments which will drive people away from the game because no one is gonna get a 10 min DC and wait it out, they'll slowly gravitate to another game. These are the same solo q players you rely on to not have abysmal queue times….
Address tunneling being so rewarding, address the not-strategic forms of slugging, address players humping other players til they bleed out and not simply saying 'slugging is not a bannable offense' which is such an ignorant take, let solo players have some form of comms. At least make it seem like you have some sort of idea about the state of solo q and have plans to do something about it. Otherwise, let people quit if they want to. There are too many abusable mechanics in this game that make for a miserable time as an individual
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Ok guys so look: Chaos Shuffle match that I JUST played:
So in this match Jake was afk from the beginning - so I decided to let 1 survivor go, but this survivor gave up on a hook and said this at the end:
Why do these players playing as a survivor - when they don't wanna play? They tired, hard day on work… So why jump in the team based game - if they don't wanna play?
Obviously she said: - "I had to do something important" - and I make it like I believed her, but I'm not. (I hope she doesn't see it)
Why did she even q-ed up for the match? Can anyone help me understand this "madness"?
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It won’t hurt to try it. I’d be more than happy to wait 5-8 minutes for a match if it meant my teammates would actually try to play. Even if we lose, it’s better than being teamed up with an entitled brat that can’t handle being a part of a team.
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Have some moral principles and basic respect to other players, not only other survivors, but also the killer.You're going up against human nature. You're asking people to maintain an activity they don't think is going to be fun because of people they do not know and will never meet.
It's just not a realistic way to solve a problem. Especially because forum posts are a fraction of the community.
Look - right now DBD has 50k on steam - that's accurate number. Even if PS, Xbox, Epic games or other platforms have 70-100% more players than PC steam - it will not go up to 2m.Those 50k players are not the same 50k players the entire day, it's people coming in and out of the game. That's probably in the range of 150 to 200k over the course of a day on Steam.
And that's not counting the players on Epic. BHVR has said I think that PC is one third of the player base. So take the Steam numbers, add Epic, multiply by 3.
And then for active players, you'd have to remember that people come in and out of the game. Lots of people only play a couple days a week. Active players don't mean 'currently playing the game' it means people who still playing it at least every now and then.
DbD has a gigantic player base. It's spread out around the world, but its massive.
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As a survivor you're not a team player first. It's entirely up to you. Your objective in the game is to escape one way or the other. - Your objective as a human being is to find some kind of enjoyment in playing. As survivor you sadly lack the agency to draw red lines. You can only do that after the match has started. Killers can at least lobby dodge (so I do expect you to never lobby dodge and to never change your build or in-match behaviour based on the survs you see in lobby if you Q up as killer).
If you find you get disconnected a lot more when you're playing certain killers or certain builds, maybe another question could also come to mind: if a killer or build seems to be so universally disliked, then maybe it'd be a sign of basic respect towards the playerbase to, you know, just not play them. Not everything that's in the game is a good idea; maybe not everything that mechanically is possible in the game should be done.
Side note: as per the dev's statement you are, in fact, not first and foremost a team player when playing in the survivor role.
My bottom line is: no player - irl or in a game - signs up to be a pinata. I occasionally play tennis and if, for whatever reason, I were to find myself on the other side of the net of a wimbledon player who decides to not hold back on their serves and I got one right in my face; I'd walk away from that court right then and there - and I seriously doubt that anyone would fault me for that. I didn't get to choose in advance - and I can't tell the other player to play at my level - but I don't have to take what they throw at me either.Post edited by EQWashu on6 -
So if I kill myself on hook when I know the game is not worth trying anymore, this mentality doesnt apply right?
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I'll try to put my message in a few words: If you play as survivor and you're not being a team-player (not healing, not unhooking, not repairing gens, not taking hooks or hits, etc) — you will be considered BY YOUR TEAM as a troll.
There's a reason of why it's called 4v1 - A team vs 1.
Well you are free to have your own opinion tho…
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Improve the survivor experience and reduce the power imbalance between killer and survivor and you'll see survivors wanting to stick around. Too many matches are simply unwinnable for the survivors. It's so simple.
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I love how even in game you feel entitled.
Let me explain it very simple like why you don't really have a right.
Example one from my game today. I'm on a Gen. Killer finds survivor...downs him. I'm half way through... He is hooked. Second survivor gets hit .. goes down...I'm 3/4 done the Gen (thank you for making them longer). He is hooked. I'm forced to stop. I unhook first survivor.... Signal for him to let me heal him ...he runs away to the second survivor....by this time the third survivor goes down and is hooked. Unhook happens. He comes back to the hook ...downs the first survivor, does not hook, downs the second survivor. Yet you want me to continue because if not I'm letting my team down. Yeah. But this doesn't happen all the time.... Yeah, only about 4 out of 5 matches. So I continue on ... End game points…me 14k, the other three around 9 or 10...killer 35-40k.
Now don't get me wrong killers....I toooootally understand why you want me to continue!!! It costs you a lot of points. That's why you see tunneling. I'm you get one out and then the second ...then it's...oh drop this pallet on me ok I will let one love. Yeah.
Second scenario. Killer finds me first. Ok time to loop. Loop after loop, I stall.... Take a hit .. continue to loop .. eventually I'm caught. Look over ...not one person on a Gen …but yes ..if I decide to no longer play in a group I'm a lousy team mate. Again ...I understand your motivation..... Survivors owe you NOTHING!! I don't owe you a full game...I don't owe you a chase etc just like you don't owe me not tunneling or camping. It's the game. Again deal with it. Your points is not my concern and honestly that's the only reason for this post.
So one of two things that led up to this.
Killers are too strong or sweaty and the devs nerfing everything survivor favored (gens, respawn hooks etc) has tipped the balance or I'm getting higher ranked killers while being paired with lower end survivors. Either way .. survivor is unfun and that's the reason people do it. Me personally...just switched to killer.
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To be fair there are probably a lot of people in bad weather thanks to the hurricane that may be queueing up for matches only to get instantly DCed. You don't have to be in the hurricane's direct path to see violent winds and power outages.
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See the real problem is.
People dont like the map = DC / Hook suicide
People dont like the killer = DC / Hook suicide
People dont like the perks someone use = DC / Hook suicide
People fails their looping = DC / Hook suicide
People gets downed at 5 gens = DC / Hook suicide
People dont like the way others play (even team mates) = DC / Hook suicide
People fail their flashlight save = DC / Hook suicide
I could go on, but hopefully you get my point.
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To be fair, this is how the game is advertised:
"Survive Together… Or Not
Survivors can either cooperate with the others or be selfish. Your chance of survival will vary depending on whether you work together as a team or if you go at it alone. Will you be able to outwit the Killer and escape their Killing Ground?"
It's description on BHVRs site also says "the deadliest game of hide and seek"
People playing selfishly shouldn't be reported and aren't necessarily trolls. That's just wasting Supports time. They're playing the game they bought.
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