how is this still acceptable by the Devs
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If you BM someone for four minutes, I think it's safe to say your intention isn't positive. IMO, the game should limit the opportunities people have to do stuff like that.
I know no one liked the mori finisher, but one thing it had going for it was that the last survivor died as soon as they went down.
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I said that because I never think that killers go into the game just doing that off rip. It’s normally something that the survivors do that make the killers BM.
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I've had Dracs in wolf form and Xenos do it a lot at the start of a match.
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Never seen this asked the other way around here.
Yeah, thats not really thought out, isnt it? As I said, there are awful people on both sides.
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You think I will BM the strongest killer in the game as a Solo q while someone rage quite at start and clearly she is winning the game with 3 gens up, I have 15 min of recording and it not the full match but even if upload this I'm pretty sure your killer bias will still blame this on me.
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First, im not accusing, but it makes sense to want to see what happened before, because its still a possibility, i dont know you and all i have is your word. There is a very few people i trust, especially in the dbd community. I have seen a lot of people lie time and time again to win an argument, and i have spend hours, and even more hours finding proof that they were wrong (im done with that, my time is worth more). So frankly, i dont know, i have seen people Tbag me and then down them less than 10 secs later.
Im no saint either, i have been BMing killers too if they tunneled and camped my team mates, but i was also aware that it was my own fault if i was the next in line after doing it.
Again, this is not an accusation against you, but I allow myself to have some doubts as long as i dont have the full picture.
I have, when i have uploaded clips from my killer games. Not always but it happens.
But you didnt answer my question, how would you know if the survivor in question did not actually BM the killer in the first place, if we dont get to see the full video??
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You dont know. But as I said, this question is never asked when someone complains about a Surviovr BMing.
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If it's not bannable, then it is by definition acceptable. I know you are waiting for devs or mods to explain their rationale here, but honestly if I was them, I would not open that can of worms. Different people get offended by different things, and if BHVR had to explain why something is or is not OK every time somebody is offended by something in the game, they wouldn't have time to do anything else. So their approach here, which I completely agree with, is the following: clearly state in the game rules what is bannable, anything not included in that list is not bannable, and we're not going to spend time explaining to everyone why.
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Cause devs think that BMing as killer is fine. Why do you think this killer community is so disgustingly toxic?
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Stop taking this game so serious.
A lot of the so called "problems" are in reality nothing.
This is a game and has nothing to do with real life. If you projecting anything into this it is only you.
Stupid people are everywhere. If you have to deal with them in real life that can be a problem but not in a virtual game. There is a big difference.
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The main source of toxicity in the community is "us vs them" comments like this from players who only play one side and constantly blame the other side for their frustrations in the game
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Survivors are free to bm killers
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Whats your purpose? This is about a killer BMing, so HOW is my an us vs them comment? Stop trying to bully if it doesnt even work.
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This is a bigger issue than you are implying and they should explain why they continue to allow it.
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I really don't get your point a lot of things wasn't in the rules and got changed from the Devs like flashlight clicking and Mori canceling because they were toxic behaviors, so you saying by default it's acceptable is just wrong if they are not mentioned in the rules by your logic they accept it but they changed it why ?
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Things get changed for reasons other than being considered "toxic". Flashlight spamming got changed because it could give people seizures, not because it was "toxic". I have no idea what mori canceling is, but if it got changed, it was likely because it was an unintended bug, not because it was considered "toxic". I stand by my comment that anything not specifically mentioned in the rules as bannable is acceptable. The only thing they need to do is tell us what is bannable, not tell us everything that we are allowed to do in the game.
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Yes and suiciding on first hook is also perfectly fine.
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Mori canceling is a bug ? what you talking about this how was the Mori system work before Killers could cancel the animation of the Mori and keep spamming you on the ground until you bleed out, and how giving someone else a seizure isn't toxic ?
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Killing your self on hook and this are 2 completely different things.
This is clearly holding 1 player hostage to troll them to stroke you nonexistent Epeen.1 -
Im just making the point they are both things you can do with the basic game mechanics so by Bhvrs. definition they are both perfectly fine. I'm not expressing an opinion on if Bhvr. is right for thinking this way.
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Logically there is no reason it should still be allowed since there is no strategic reason to bleed people out anymore. The common excuse was always "There is nowhere to hook them". Hooks respawn now so why bleed people out for any reason other than to be a douche? Them being so slow in adding a system to speed up bleed outs is probably down to them feeling like it won't make them any money or bring in many new players compared to other things they are working on. I think they will eventually add something but it will take them years as usual. All of their manpower is probably working on the next DLC or next game mode.
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It's no different than toxic survivors opening the exit gate after all 4 are in front of it fully healed sitting there teabagging the killer from a distance as the map timer runs out. But developers allow that ALL THE TIME. Moral of Dead by Daylight, survivors play rotten just as killer has to play without mercy. Both sides are like Alien vs Predator....they hate each other and it shows in the gameplay. It's a game but some people get treated bad and they treat others bad right back.
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sorry but i laughed at this, she actually did that for 4 straight minutes without getting tired or bored.
it's not bannable. i won't say "unfortunately" because it shouldn't be, just how any other bm isn't as long as it's not verbal.
if it makes you feel better killers also face such behavior especially at gates, and if you are about wasting time you should see matches of 2 survivors taking the killer hostage for half an hour. however there should be base game mechanics to combat those situations.
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Well killers have the option to push survivors out and I doubt 2 survivors can hold a killer for half hour pretty sure the killer have the Option to end it, in my situation i couldn't even play the game i just had to sit there and take it i guess, and no I don't find any pleasure of other people doing toxic things to others I don't know what you talking about.
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No? The killer doesn't have an option, except helplessly looking all over the map.
2 survivor can hide and keep a killer hostage until the server decides to cancel the match after an HOUR. And that was later implemented, before that matches could go even longer.
The ONLY help killer have against is, having picked the right perk/killer or simply luck in finding those survivors.
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I see no reason why especially when you're the last survivor and on the ground you can't either just straight up teleport to a basement hook or put yourself on a hook by crawling to it. Last survivor is already rushed through hook stages so it's not like it can be used for a sick Deliverance play or something, it's a purely time-saving gg go next mechanic. And before someone says it yes I also support a lever in the basement for the killer that instantly makes all survivors that are still in the match escape.
I'd say this is worse than tbagging ever can be though. You can outplay and hit a mid-match tbagger, and if at the gates you can direct the camera towards the gate and press W to make it stop real quick, no perks required. In situations like OP posted the survivor has zero agency unless packing certain perks and needs the killer's "consent" to not be there for the full duration. Not saying it should be bannable as it's something that could be mechanically eliminated with features like the ones mentioned above.
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The amount of people thatd become past tense if they played any other multiplayer game to experience what its like outside DbD would be astronomical
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Well at least the killer playing the game and looking for them this is called gameplay, what is my gameplay when I was on the ground ?
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Oh boy, I would take 4 fix minutes of waiting (if the killer isn't pick juggling to prolong bleed out) over up to an hour of frustratingly running around any day.
Being able to run around instead of crawling isn't what I would call gameplay.
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If walking around looking for survivors is considered gameplay then being left on the ground for 4 minutes is just as much gameplay as you can still crawl and move around the map.
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I mean sure if you don't like it they should change it I'm not against that I like how you want to justify his actions by bringing other toxic things I don't understand what's the purpose
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Any form of hostage taking needs to be addressed by the devs. Whether that's killers bleeding survivors out for four minutes, or survivors holding killers hostage by hiding and refusing to progress the match. It all needs to go. I don't care about disrespect, but I draw the line at time wasting.
As to whether killers getting disrespected justifies bleeding survivors out for four minutes, I'd say no. Just BM back and then finish the match. If survivors aren't holding you hostage, then don't do it back.
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Bleeding is not hostage taking.
Hiding forever is.
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Totally disagree, some people even admit to taking the frustrations of last game out on new survivors that had nothing to do with it. People are extremely childish and petty when given the opportunity, especially online and doubly so in DBD.
I doubt bleedouts, hatch camping, people hiding forever, bodyblocking in a corner will ever be fixed and it's sad. Fortunately it doesn't happen that often, at least to me.
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I think the implications behind both are pretty similar, it's just that people have become numb to tea-bagging or forgotten it's original meaning because of how common it is in every game and that in DbD it doesn't happen over a body. W-Sing is newer so people aren't used to it and unlike tea-bagging, the survivor can't really do anything to end it besides wait 4 minutes.
Tea-bagging was originally the exact same implication - dipping your balls into a dead/downed player.
Both are immature and have no purpose besides being toxic and comparing them is pointless. Both should be looked down on, but bleeding out in particular should be addressed because of the helplessness of it.
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You literally griefed your teammate by going AFK. Killer picked you up, you didn't struggle free, so he could just go around to find the last guy. If anything, you should be reported for this clip.
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Then you really can't ban people for trying to get themselves off the hook after a first hook. It's really just game play. That should end the 200 or so post and future posts on the subject of banning or punishing people that do. TO BE CLEAR I'M NOT CONDONING THIS!!! Only to be clear that walking back and forth is just normal gameplay so should this without any whining
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So when survivors waste your time, it's hostage taking. But when you waste their time by bleeding them out, it's not. It might be worse on the killer's end, but it's still the same crap.
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I don't think it should be bannable (multitude of reasons, but the biggest I think is how intensive it would be to moderate reports coming in for this sort of thing, and proving that it is malicious on the killer's part) but there really, really needs to be a way for survivors to move on quicker when this happens. The game here is obviously over, so why do you need to sit on the floor for four minutes until the Nurse hooks you?
It's the same for killers being able to bodyblock survivors in corners - easiest and most obvious solution would be to remove collision when survivors get crows. Easy and fair. But nooooooooooope. Been suggested for years and it is never ever addressed. Situations like this are the same unfortunately. I wish the devs would do something to discourage this sort of behaviour or at the very least make it so the killer can't do this for so long before giving the survivor a way out.
And I'm aware this BM happens on both sides before anyone says anything, but killers have much more agency and control over it than survivors do. Killers can hit the survivors or force them out. Survivors have to just sit there and take it or face a DC penalty which is just stupid and encourages this behaviour further.
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They shouldn't need to upload a full video just to ask whether the killer's actions are bannable. It's possible they did BM, but I can say for a fact I've had this happen to me numerous times (sometimes even the whole team) when I didn't BM at all (teabagging, clicking, whatever).
Killers don't need a survivor BMing as an excuse to do this. They can do it just because they can - they already know the survivor can't do a thing about it and there is no risk attached to doing it.
(accidentally double posted, sorry!)
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I wish we played the same game. This happens to me or members of my team more often than it should with no provocation.
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They shouldn't need to upload a full video just to ask whether the killer's actions are bannable. It's possible they did BM, but I can say for a fact I've had this happen to me numerous times (sometimes even the whole team) when I didn't BM at all (teabagging, clicking, whatever).
Killers don't need a survivor BMing as an excuse to do this. They can do it just because they can - they already know the survivor can't do a thing about it and there is no risk attached to doing it.
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walks past 6 hooks to go the other side of the map
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I'm not gonna defend Killers that slug everyone for all the matches they play, but holding someone hostage for 4 minutes, vs holding them hostage for 60 minutes until the server automatically closes are pretty different offenses
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Yes, one is worse than the other. No question. There's just no need to state than bleeding someone out for four minutes is fine, because survivors can potentially do worse to the killer.
I've said before that there needs to be a system to stop survivors from hiding and not progressing the game. I still believe that. But when people say it's fine to do a full bleed out, it's clear that they just want their tools to grief others kept intact, so they can use those tools against whoever offends them.
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I agree, bleeding out is not fun and when/if BHVR can come up with a way that fairly balances it for both sides I will support that
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the difference is that people can hide until the server shuts down.
Bleeding ends in 4 minutes. - because of this, its not hostage taking. On top of that there are scenarios where the killer have no option than to bleed survivors out.
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Here you go:
In regards to situations where slugging is necessary, those situations also need to be fixed. I've said that perks like Boil Over need to be reworked, as they are either useless or extremely obnoxious. That stuff needs to be fixed, but so does a killer bleeding out survivors because they got mad about something and decided to take disproportionate retribution against the whole team.
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Try reading the question again, they are not just asking if the killers actions are bannable, they are asking why it isnt. That's a very different question. The question itself is a leading one, implying that the actions should be bannable, which is why it triggers the "action → reaction" response.
Its similar to the bleeding-out (time dragging) debate: it’s fine when Team A does it unprovoked, but when Team B does the same, suddenly it’s an issue, and everyone thinks it should be bannable.
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I never said it was fine. But i try to be unbiased, and see this from 2 sides. Sadly it cant just be fixed with perks, there was a video not long ago where a streamer could not get a pickup, because 3 team mates with flashbangs and flashlights were around all game.
The only option was to bleed people out.
Also, the majority of people have no issues standing at the exit gates and drag time, when the game is won. Yes the killer can push them out, but that is not the point, people stay there for a full 1.59 minutes if the killer doent, and they do it game after game after game. The only difference is who is in control of that time.
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