A Most Dangerous Thread

Not the easiest of questions, friend, most of the really strong perks have already been hit hard by nerfs and adjustments.

Though if I was forced to nerf a perk in the current state of the game it would be Weave Attunement, simply because it is annoying.

SB in my opinion have been the strongest survivor perk in the game for a while. The only perk that allow to just excape a deadzone. Also it extremely annoying to see them slow walk right infront of u without care. It's like they taunting me @Herlnfernal.

I don't care what anybody say....NOED is still complete BS. You get hit by it usually after cooking the killer the whole game and everybody leave cutting their losses. I don't care how many times it been nerf because the core problems still remain. You can be completely trash the whole match and win off this one perk.

I still think Pain Res and Grim Embrace need to deactivate once a survivor dies. You shouldn't be able to tunnel 1 survivor and then use the remaining 3 tokens to win the 3v1. You should have to actually spread hooks for real if you want full value.

Nowhere to Hide is a bit too free right now especially with the moving range following the killer. At the very least, the range should stay centered on the generator.

On the survivor side, Windows of Opportunity needs a nerf (too much overreliance and plays the game for you too much - needs to have a short cooldown like it used to). I genuinely feel like nerfing this perk would force players to become better. When I was newer to the game I used this perk a lot and noticed that I played way worse when I stopped running it. So I forced myself to continue not using it and I feel like I became a better survivor after I did that.

Hyperfocus/Stakeout when combined speeds up generators far too much. Both perks are fine on their own, but the combo is too strong as Stakeout makes Hyperfocus far too consistent and increases its value since Stakeout increases the bonus.

Then these 2 perks: Boil Over and Knock Out. Both these perks have no place in the game at all and both should be reworked.

All killer aura perks should get the token treatment like like pain res did, after 4 uses of aura reading perks we go back to the old fashion strategic way of looking for survivors without the game giving free 24 hour information. All add ons that give aura reading should be reworked.

Finesse. Good survivors already camped Exhaustion cooldowns in safe check spots and pre run like crazy, refusing to committ to anything unless killer is called out. This perk is just another safety net for that play style.

I spent an afternoon this weekend literally getting 0 hook/tier 1 Nemesis games against 3/4 Finesse+Lithe lobbies it's getting really old not being able to get any first hits at all, ever. It's crazy that I have to switch to Legion if I want to relax and enjoy some good chases.

I cannot stress enough how much I dislike Finesse.

It gets worse, the hitbox lingers so you sometimes even get stunned if you swing too soon at the survivor jumping out, even if you didn't ger stunned by the initial jump xD

Seriously? Pentimento? That perk sucks.

Only 4 imo:
WGLF – current version is overbuffed.
Background Player – 20 second of cd let you use it literally on every down and pair with it other exhaustion, too forgiving for such strong and sometimes even game changing effect.
Reassurance – I'm glad it's unpopular, because in right hands it's insane, especially after 70 seconds stage. But with 99% of people don't understand how to use it, I doubt it ever will be nerfed.
Forced Hesitation – 95% just use it for hook camping, but it rarely works in other situations. I think range should be buffed, but unhooked survivor should have immunity to it for 10 seconds.

Honestly, recent hysteria about Penti is so cringe and see people try to create a problem out of nothing (thanks to Otz, I guess?) is disgusting. The only viable argument against it is that it's rough for soloq, but guess what? EVERYTHING is strong in soloq, because survivors are more killer here than killer himself. I don't know since when Sable can't break same totem she did before again is perk's problem and not the Sable's one.
You can nerf literally every thing in this game under this excuse. Oh, someone gives quick first hit to Oni in soloq? Let's nerf Oni. Soloq survivors can't share info about killer's perk? Let's nerf every Undetectable perk. Soloq can't hit great skillcheks? A good reason to nerf overcharge and Oppression. Survivors don't know counterplay against Twins? Let's nerf th… oh, wait.
When Penti was released, there was mistakes in description and gen slowdown effect was on a second place. And pretty much everyone said that if it's how it works, than perk would be useless. Now suddenly everyone plays in different dbd, it seems.
Left alone already the only perk, which makes Hexes viable, it already has clearest counterplay (yes, even if it's not enough for majority soloq big brains).

Lightborn makes flashlights useless, which is super annoying and frustrating when you bring an already niche flashlight build.

Franklins is by far my most hated perk next to paint res. Dropping your item and then consuming it makes items completly useless if they weren’t consumed already and you can’t even pick it up in time since you stay on hook or in chase until there are no charges left.

Pain res: I hate it so much. Gen 99%, BOOM. Gen 99% again, BOOM. Gen 99%agaaaiin, BOOOOOM. Gen 95% killers comes and chases you away.

Lit totems should always be destroyed because there's a very good chance one could be devour hope.

Yeah, I don't think there are really any busted OP perks anymore.

Now there are strong ones and annoying ones, but none since Eruption that make me feel like "that's just not fair".

And I agree about Weave Attunement. People running WA and Franklins make me think unkind thoughts.

Windows is not at all op, and I think it's ridiculous that people call for it to be nerfed. But I do think it's a perk most often used by players who don't have time to pay attention and/or develop game sense, and I personally find it to be a waste of a perk slot.

But I get it, tracking resources is a pain, and it's nice to have a perk to do it for you.

And saying someone who escapes is "by definition good at the game" is a joke. Awful survs escape just as much as bad killers get a 4K. Often times the best survs carry their team but die so their lesser teammates escape.

As we all know kills/escapes =/= skill; this isn't hockey

Lithe

“Hyperfocus/Stakeout when combined speeds up generators far too much. Both perks are fine on their own.”

Both perks are useless on there own

Flat out nerf...

Don't know... Most seem pretty fine to me in terms of numbers.

Problematic design? There are a few. Deadlock, knock out, franklin's and forced hesitation are all very problematic in my opinion. But simply nerfing them isn't fixing the problem, that their core design is flawed.

It's a perk that encourages slugging, is it not? Running super slow is also not that fun.

Most importantly though, it punishes survivors for something that is already in the killers favour. Grouping up.

I think cooperative actions should be rewarded rather than punished. DBD is a team game, where finishing objectives together is worse than playing selfish / as the lone wolfe.

You could also bring up pentimento in that sense. It discourages survivors from doing secondary objectives. This being the cleansing of totems.

all of these perks are problematic lol, there are even more that can be added here that are also dangerous for the game health, but are not as much used because average user can't get their value thanks to lack of skill fullfillment to do so.

Infectious Fright gives you information. What you do with that info is on you.

Some examples:

• Nobody screams tells you, that you can pick up without having to bother with flashlight saves. (Most people don't run calm spirit these days)
• Someone screams leaves you with two options. Leave the person slugged or pick up and hook.

If you pick up and hook, you risk a flashy save. BUT you know where to get into the next chase fast and what gens are being worked on. Your taking another risk however, in that the Gen could be finishes while you pick up and hook.

If you don't pick up and slug, you are also taking risks. The survivor you slugged could have anti tunnel. The guy you find could be a very solid looper, giving the team time to pick the slugged one up and maybe even heal them, making you waste and lose more time than you won.

Forces hesitation on the other hand tells you: slug! They can't loop you really, because they are slowed down so much. If you don't slug, the perk provides no real value. That's at least what my experience is.

The value tells you one direction and nothing else, whereas infectious gives you many options that do not have to result in slugging.

Maybe im missing something, but that's how I see it.

Yeah, WA + Franklin's Demise is really annoying to go against. I don't even bring items most of the time and still have to worry about someone else's item revealing my aura.

But, like you said, it isn't as strong as some perks used to be.

this isn't hockey

This brings back some memories.

They absolutely are. I deem infectious to be absolutely fine because of the survivor agency that isn't lost as it often is with Forced.

Combo is absolutely brutal for slugging. Just add knock out for good measure and become a true monster.