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A Most Dangerous Thread

OP perks. Deep down in your heart you know what perks need to be nerfed. Don’t resist, tell the truth.

Infectious Fright! 🫣 Ah!! What have I done. 60 sec cooldown???😨 Ah!!! I can’t stop!

…Tell the truth…

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  • Grigerbest
    Grigerbest Member Posts: 1,703
    edited October 15

    I feel like Ultimate weapon should have a radius based on the locker that killer opened, instead of a killer's TR.

    Oh, wait a second… 💀

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 11,293

    Not the easiest of questions, friend, most of the really strong perks have already been hit hard by nerfs and adjustments.

    Though if I was forced to nerf a perk in the current state of the game it would be Weave Attunement, simply because it is annoying.

  • solarjin1
    solarjin1 Member Posts: 2,154
    edited October 15

    SB in my opinion have been the strongest survivor perk in the game for a while. The only perk that allow to just excape a deadzone. Also it extremely annoying to see them slow walk right infront of u without care. It's like they taunting me @Herlnfernal.

    I don't care what anybody say....NOED is still complete BS. You get hit by it usually after cooking the killer the whole game and everybody leave cutting their losses. I don't care how many times it been nerf because the core problems still remain. You can be completely trash the whole match and win off this one perk.

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  • sizzlingmario4
    sizzlingmario4 Member Posts: 6,907

    I still think Pain Res and Grim Embrace need to deactivate once a survivor dies. You shouldn't be able to tunnel 1 survivor and then use the remaining 3 tokens to win the 3v1. You should have to actually spread hooks for real if you want full value.

    Nowhere to Hide is a bit too free right now especially with the moving range following the killer. At the very least, the range should stay centered on the generator.

    On the survivor side, Windows of Opportunity needs a nerf (too much overreliance and plays the game for you too much - needs to have a short cooldown like it used to). I genuinely feel like nerfing this perk would force players to become better. When I was newer to the game I used this perk a lot and noticed that I played way worse when I stopped running it. So I forced myself to continue not using it and I feel like I became a better survivor after I did that.

    Hyperfocus/Stakeout when combined speeds up generators far too much. Both perks are fine on their own, but the combo is too strong as Stakeout makes Hyperfocus far too consistent and increases its value since Stakeout increases the bonus.

    Then these 2 perks: Boil Over and Knock Out. Both these perks have no place in the game at all and both should be reworked.

  • Caiman
    Caiman Member Posts: 2,886

    Sometimes I wish Pain Res was reverted to its original effect but kept the tokens. -15% progress but highlights the screams of survivors on the generator hit by it, so the killer has to go over and pressure the generator to keep it from being completed. The problem was always repeating Pain Res over and over and over, but the tokens fix that.

  • NarkoTri1er
    NarkoTri1er Member Posts: 541

    Hex: Pentimento - this perk needs some rework because it's just too oppressive at 1 token already. 30% action penalty is just not ok at all to come at such a low price.

    Nowhere to Hide - too much of free info coming with the...gen kick condition.

    Machine Learning - overbuffed with this patch.

    Knock Out - not really OP, but needs a huge rework due to how unhealthy it is.

    Predator - this rework was stupid.

    Resurgence - insta 70% healing off hook is insane and not okay at all.

    OTR - it gives way too much and can be abused way too easily.

    Reassurance - with the base hook timer change, do i even need to explain this one?

    WGLF - this patch gave it an overkill buff.

    Sabo perks - gut them, kill them, they are so unhealthy and encourage a rather very unhealthy playstyle.

  • 100PercentBPMain
    100PercentBPMain Member Posts: 1,068

    Finesse. Good survivors already camped Exhaustion cooldowns in safe check spots and pre run like crazy, refusing to committ to anything unless killer is called out. This perk is just another safety net for that play style.

    I spent an afternoon this weekend literally getting 0 hook/tier 1 Nemesis games against 3/4 Finesse+Lithe lobbies it's getting really old not being able to get any first hits at all, ever. It's crazy that I have to switch to Legion if I want to relax and enjoy some good chases.

    I cannot stress enough how much I dislike Finesse.

  • KatsuhxP
    KatsuhxP Member Posts: 890

    It gets worse, the hitbox lingers so you sometimes even get stunned if you swing too soon at the survivor jumping out, even if you didn't ger stunned by the initial jump xD

  • Linkdouken
    Linkdouken Member Posts: 147

    Friends Til The End - the fact it gives aura reading and exposed as well as being able to switch to another seems like it does too much. I

  • fussy
    fussy Member Posts: 1,638
    edited October 16

    Only 4 imo:
    WGLF – current version is overbuffed.
    Background Player – 20 second of cd let you use it literally on every down and pair with it other exhaustion, too forgiving for such strong and sometimes even game changing effect.
    Reassurance – I'm glad it's unpopular, because in right hands it's insane, especially after 70 seconds stage. But with 99% of people don't understand how to use it, I doubt it ever will be nerfed.
    Forced Hesitation – 95% just use it for hook camping, but it rarely works in other situations. I think range should be buffed, but unhooked survivor should have immunity to it for 10 seconds.

    Honestly, recent hysteria about Penti is so cringe and see people try to create a problem out of nothing (thanks to Otz, I guess?) is disgusting. The only viable argument against it is that it's rough for soloq, but guess what? EVERYTHING is strong in soloq, because survivors are more killer here than killer himself. I don't know since when Sable can't break same totem she did before again is perk's problem and not the Sable's one.
    You can nerf literally every thing in this game under this excuse. Oh, someone gives quick first hit to Oni in soloq? Let's nerf Oni. Soloq survivors can't share info about killer's perk? Let's nerf every Undetectable perk. Soloq can't hit great skillcheks? A good reason to nerf overcharge and Oppression. Survivors don't know counterplay against Twins? Let's nerf th… oh, wait.
    When Penti was released, there was mistakes in description and gen slowdown effect was on a second place. And pretty much everyone said that if it's how it works, than perk would be useless. Now suddenly everyone plays in different dbd, it seems.
    Left alone already the only perk, which makes Hexes viable, it already has clearest counterplay (yes, even if it's not enough for majority soloq big brains).

  • TheGopher
    TheGopher Member Posts: 32

    There is only one way to use it and it's countered by survivors just not doing random totems

  • Langweilg
    Langweilg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited October 16

    Lightborn makes flashlights useless, which is super annoying and frustrating when you bring an already niche flashlight build.

    Franklins is by far my most hated perk next to paint res. Dropping your item and then consuming it makes items completly useless if they weren’t consumed already and you can’t even pick it up in time since you stay on hook or in chase until there are no charges left.

    Pain res: I hate it so much. Gen 99%, BOOM. Gen 99% again, BOOM. Gen 99%agaaaiin, BOOOOOM. Gen 95% killers comes and chases you away.

  • doobiedo
    doobiedo Member Posts: 310
    edited October 16

    Lit totems should always be destroyed because there's a very good chance one could be devour hope.

  • doobiedo
    doobiedo Member Posts: 310
    edited October 16

    Such a strange argument to say survivors using windows are "not good at the game." I mean what does that even mean. If they escape they are by definition good at the game whether they had windows or not. Do you also think that killers that win by using noed or the new predator are "not good at the game" because those are perks that actually reward you for being bad at the game. All widows does is show you what resources you have, you still have to actually know how to take advantage of them. And considering how overpowered killer is right now survivors need all the help they can get. A lot of perks like windows and kindred should really just be made basekit.

  • Thusly_Boned
    Thusly_Boned Member Posts: 2,960

    Yeah, I don't think there are really any busted OP perks anymore.

    Now there are strong ones and annoying ones, but none since Eruption that make me feel like "that's just not fair".

    And I agree about Weave Attunement. People running WA and Franklins make me think unkind thoughts.

    Windows is not at all op, and I think it's ridiculous that people call for it to be nerfed. But I do think it's a perk most often used by players who don't have time to pay attention and/or develop game sense, and I personally find it to be a waste of a perk slot.

    But I get it, tracking resources is a pain, and it's nice to have a perk to do it for you.

    And saying someone who escapes is "by definition good at the game" is a joke. Awful survs escape just as much as bad killers get a 4K. Often times the best survs carry their team but die so their lesser teammates escape.

    As we all know kills/escapes =/= skill; this isn't hockey

  • ReverseVelocity
    ReverseVelocity Member Posts: 4,556

    I didn't say all Survivors who use Windows are bad at the game. I'm saying bad Survivors can use Windows like an autopilot and not have to learn tile placement. It can be used as a crutch.

    There's plenty of good Survivors who use Windows too, though.

    Well first of all, I don't watch Otz, I haven't for years, and I've really disliked Pentimento since it's release. My opinions are my own.

    It's undeniably better against SoloQ, yes, but it's also extremely effective against pretty much any lobby if played around correctly. It allows for essentially free proxies if you get a hook near a totem (you can leave it unlit until you get the hook near a Penti spot), and it makes for some extremely ironclad 3 gens if you have a totem to play around as well.

    The counterplay is pretty much null if you are in a favourable situation to camp a totem alongside a key objective, which can happen a lot more often than you'd think. It requires extreme coordination to clear in these situations, to the point where even actual tournament teams can struggle to do so.

    Worst case scenario, it's great slowdown that requires you to leave the objective to go do a sidequest. Best case scenario, it grinds the game to a halt entirely for extended periods of time while the killer camps a 3 gen or a hook. The only reason Penti hasn't been nerfed yet, I think, is because a lot of killers tend to do the former.

    Either way, in both cases, it's super obnoxious to play against.

  • CleanseThis
    CleanseThis Member Posts: 155

    Lithe

  • Xernoton
    Xernoton Member Posts: 5,842

    Deadlock: A perk this powerful shouldn't activate without input by the killer.

    DH: I still hate it and would be glad to never see this perk again.

  • iloveandhatethisgame
    iloveandhatethisgame Member Posts: 204

    “Hyperfocus/Stakeout when combined speeds up generators far too much. Both perks are fine on their own.”

    Both perks are useless on there own

  • radiantHero23
    radiantHero23 Member Posts: 4,238

    Flat out nerf...

    Don't know... Most seem pretty fine to me in terms of numbers.

    Problematic design? There are a few. Deadlock, knock out, franklin's and forced hesitation are all very problematic in my opinion. But simply nerfing them isn't fixing the problem, that their core design is flawed.

  • HerInfernalMajesty
    HerInfernalMajesty Member Posts: 1,852
    edited October 16

    Hm, can you help me understand the issue with Forced Hesitation?

  • radiantHero23
    radiantHero23 Member Posts: 4,238

    It's a perk that encourages slugging, is it not? Running super slow is also not that fun.

    Most importantly though, it punishes survivors for something that is already in the killers favour. Grouping up.

    I think cooperative actions should be rewarded rather than punished. DBD is a team game, where finishing objectives together is worse than playing selfish / as the lone wolfe.

    You could also bring up pentimento in that sense. It discourages survivors from doing secondary objectives. This being the cleansing of totems.

  • HerInfernalMajesty
    HerInfernalMajesty Member Posts: 1,852

    Sure I can see it’s a slugging perk. Again it’s probably my inexperience but Infectious Fright feels like it does more damage than Forced Hesitation when it comes to slugging?

  • NarkoTri1er
    NarkoTri1er Member Posts: 541

    all of these perks are problematic lol, there are even more that can be added here that are also dangerous for the game health, but are not as much used because average user can't get their value thanks to lack of skill fullfillment to do so.

  • iloveandhatethisgame
    iloveandhatethisgame Member Posts: 204

    I should clarify that yes knockout is a problem because solo que cannot coordinate where their teammates are and it promotes bleedouts especially on indoor maps. But since when are petimento knowhere to hide and resurgence problematic? Even with something like resurgence which no one used before, it gets a buff and now it’s too strong? Or even petimento has enough counterplay already. Just strange

  • radiantHero23
    radiantHero23 Member Posts: 4,238

    Infectious Fright gives you information. What you do with that info is on you.

    Some examples:

    • Nobody screams tells you, that you can pick up without having to bother with flashlight saves. (Most people don't run calm spirit these days)
    • Someone screams leaves you with two options. Leave the person slugged or pick up and hook.

    If you pick up and hook, you risk a flashy save. BUT you know where to get into the next chase fast and what gens are being worked on. Your taking another risk however, in that the Gen could be finishes while you pick up and hook.

    If you don't pick up and slug, you are also taking risks. The survivor you slugged could have anti tunnel. The guy you find could be a very solid looper, giving the team time to pick the slugged one up and maybe even heal them, making you waste and lose more time than you won.

    Forces hesitation on the other hand tells you: slug! They can't loop you really, because they are slowed down so much. If you don't slug, the perk provides no real value. That's at least what my experience is.

    The value tells you one direction and nothing else, whereas infectious gives you many options that do not have to result in slugging.

    Maybe im missing something, but that's how I see it.

  • HerInfernalMajesty
    HerInfernalMajesty Member Posts: 1,852
    edited October 16

    No no thank you for laying it out.

    So according to you Forced is worse because it tells you to slug. Whereas Infectious is just info that doesn’t necessarily beg for the slug. I can respect that pov. By their inherent natures it seems like Forced is more intended for slugging than Infectious.

    The reason I juxtapose Infectious to Forced is because if your goal is to slug, Infectious Fright can be pretty nasty. Like really nasty. I haven’t used Forced Hesitation but I can imagine that the Hindered penalty makes it easy to slug. I just feel like Infectious gives Forced a run for its money when it comes to snowballing.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 11,293

    Yeah, WA + Franklin's Demise is really annoying to go against. I don't even bring items most of the time and still have to worry about someone else's item revealing my aura.

    But, like you said, it isn't as strong as some perks used to be.

    this isn't hockey

    This brings back some memories.

  • radiantHero23
    radiantHero23 Member Posts: 4,238

    The slowdown of forced is pretty massive. While booth perks incentivice going for someone else after downing a survivor, infectios leaves the survivor a chance, whereas forced doesnt. Thats probably my biggest issue with the perk.

    In the end, it depends on what killer you are playing i think. Imagine playing against a Bubba with infectious vs a bubba with forced.

    With infectious, bubba is still loopable. With forced, you just go down (at least most of the time).

  • HerInfernalMajesty
    HerInfernalMajesty Member Posts: 1,852
    edited October 16

    I can respect everything you wrote.

    Can we agree that both are pretty brutal in the slug game?

    Edit: let alone stacking these two? 😆

  • Seraphor
    Seraphor Member Posts: 9,420
    edited October 16

    I don't honestly think there are any perks I would call "overpowered" anymore, but maybe a few that can be frustrating or obnoxious to go against.

    Hex: Pentimento for one, particularly when you're in solo queue and it's up to you alone to find the totems your teammates have lost.

    No Way Out always seems to be a free 4K when I see it . That or it seems to always be in play when the killer is trying to let you go, like thanks but I'm stuck here... so... how's your day been?...

    Franklins Demise I don't think could be nerfed without making it useless, but it's very irritating having your item deleted. If I'm using an item it's either integral to my build or I'm doing a challenge like sabo or deplete x medkits.

    Windows of Opportunity is really hard to justify being 'too powerful', however chases that involve it are the most boring gameplay possible. Usually the survivor is just chaining all the pallets together, and you will catch up eventually but it's gonna be one long and dull chase.

    Residual Manifest and/or Champion of Light usually means chain pallet blinds. Pallet blinds are the lowest hanging fruit, it's just pointlessly irritating the killer for a miniscule lead in chase, particularly when they always chain blind, just because they can.

  • radiantHero23
    radiantHero23 Member Posts: 4,238

    They absolutely are. I deem infectious to be absolutely fine because of the survivor agency that isn't lost as it often is with Forced.

    Combo is absolutely brutal for slugging. Just add knock out for good measure and become a true monster.

  • TheGopher
    TheGopher Member Posts: 32

    I main killer and have litteraly watched Windows melt survivors' brains. All they know is to hold w at loops.

  • InvadeGames
    InvadeGames Member Posts: 458

    I have to disagree with spirit fury. its really good for killers with no anti loop like trapper(technically he is but in mid chase its not that practical) and a way to not have a good chain looper waste your time for 5 minutes is a good thing. plus you can always predrop which a killer will always try to do as well, they do expect you to try and stun them so all spirit fury does is decrease the stun and then break pallet every 3 times. i think its in a good spot. I disagree with a couple other points made but i dont feel like typing them out right now haha

  • 100PercentBPMain
    100PercentBPMain Member Posts: 1,068

    Forced Hesi is a tad problematic, I agree with you. The slug potential gets mean.

    The one thing I'll give Forced Hesitation however is that in regards to Flashlights, I feel that perk is more healthy/fun/scary/interactive than Lightborn is. Against a ttv beamer squad I think it makes for better content than just shutting off an entire item/mechanic entirely.

  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,949

    Nothing really jumps out at me. I would say weave attunement but it's already scheduled for a nerf next month. I see a lot of complaints about Predator on these forums. I haven't gotten around to playing with it yet but I can understand how some killers might be a bit broken with it. But I'll have to play with it before I form an opinion. You can't trust what you read on these forums.

  • TheGopher
    TheGopher Member Posts: 32

    I'd rather they try to mind game me, instead they just run to pallets, drop them, then run away

  • radiantHero23
    radiantHero23 Member Posts: 4,238
  • Spare_Them_Mori_Me
    Spare_Them_Mori_Me Member Posts: 1,674
    edited October 18

    @theGopher But if they mind game you, they have a chance to not waste your time. If I have an under leveled survivor on my team, I'd definitely want them with WoO if they can't loop well. The perk does its job and brings the median skill level closer than if they didn't have it.

    @Everyone else: All this 'braindead survivor' name calling fees like insecurity. If they're dropping all the pallets, thats a boon for you. I promise lol