Myers finally feel good
- Increased Evil Within I movement speed to 4.4 m/s (was 4.2 m/s)
- Increased maximum stalk per Survivor to 20 points (was 10)
- Decreased the amount of Evil Within required to reach Evil Within II to 3 (was 5)
- Increased the Evil Within gain multiplier when stalking from afar to 1 (was 0.1)
- Decreased the Evil Within gain multiplier when stalking from up close to 0.4 (was 1)
- Fragrant Tuft of Hair: Increased the Evil Within III requirement to 20 (was 10)
- Lock of Hair: Decreased the Evil Within III requirement to 50% (was 100%)
- Judith's Tombstone: Increased the Evil Within III requirement to 20 (was 10)
- Tombstone Piece: Increased the Evil Within III requirement to 15 (was 7.5)
- Scratched Mirror: Decreases Evil Within I movement speed to 4.2 m/s (NEW)
That changes hes see on PTB. And they are really good. Tier 1 not useless anymore, Myers cannot lose his power anymore cause increased stalk points. More stalk from a far. And tombstone addons save its uniqness but make them more fair in case of time wasting.
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They’re solid number tweaks, but overall, he’s still a weak, outdated killer with no real chase power. He won’t rank high on anyone’s tier list, and what’s even worse is that everyone is going to completely ignore him after these changes, since he’s technically not bottom tier anymore. I’d say D-tier at best, not suitable for 2024 DBD at all.
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I love all the changes, however I am surprised that Tombstone piece still lets you delete a survivor at 5 gens
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Tier list doesn’t matter on dbd. Be glad that he got changed after years.
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Your thoughts, my friend?
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My main dissapointment is Judith version are even more trash than before and Tombstone Piece is still better solution. But he cant delete you at 5 gen anymore cause increased stalk point for reach tier 3. So 1st Tier 3 hel get with this addon at 3 gen not 5, so it still good way of balance. Anyway justice for judith version
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You sure? Since he gains stalk literally 10x faster from a further distance now, if he sneaks up on two survivors on a gen in the beginning from a distance you don't think he will reach tier 3 in a little under 80 seconds?
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So they basically killed his best Add-ons instead of reworking them. Wow.
Now 1 Ultra Rare will take you just as long as double Iri. Myers took you before to stalk, and will be even slower when stalking from up close. His basekit changes seem really good, but they destroyed Tuft of Hair + Tombstone's. Could've just removed their effects and made something else, but as always.. number tweaks it is because it requires barely any work.
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He cannot stalk 2 survivors at once, this bug called instatier3 was fixed long ago
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To be fair they nerf his strongest addons and buff Lock of Hair (its not weak but have to much downside). I love this addon for 40 second long Tier 3 and now it became much more usable.
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You mean I'm actually better NOT walking towards survivors while I stalk, cause further = better?
Stalking from afar like Myers does in the actual films!?
21.6 seconds at max range to stalk up a Tombstone Piece kill that can be done on a single survivor?
You can unironically get Evil Incarnate on Tombstone Piece!?
I'm terrified.
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I like the stalking from afar thingy. And the fact that now survivors have double overall juice to give you, so you don't run out of power as fast as before. But I feel he could still use some QoL changes (like being able to pop your power by pressing a button instead of having to 99%). And his add-ons need further changes imo. Not a fan of Tombstone Piece remaining pretty much the same.
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They're all solid base kit changes. I like them all. Especially the tier 1 buff and faster stalk.
I would have liked a bit more like a buff to tier 3 such as breaking pallets faster to go with the mega lunge and fast vault speed.
I am stunned tombstone piece has remained.
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I'm happy you like them, my friend. I agree with what you said about Tier 3, but overall I think they knew what should / shouldn't be done to Myers.
As for Tombstone Piece, I'm happy it remained. Even if it causes a few problems, it IS a good fit for the character.
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A fault of mine is that I don’t do good with numbers. Can you tell me, does the change to his movement speed affect his movement speed with Scratched Mirror? Is it slightly buffed, nerfed or the same?
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Scratched mirror remains the same as before.
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Thank you good sir, I was ready to throw a tantrum, my anger has been abated. Sad it wasn’t buffed a tiny bit, but I understand why it hasn’t.
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I am quite baffled that both Tombstone add ons survived. Some of the least healthy add ons in the game.
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Its actually good thing this addons save they uniqness but get nerfed a little bit
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I don't see how these are good changes. They changed everything except the problem, which is the ability to 99% Tombstone and suddenly kill someone who you haven't stalked the entire game.
Judith's Tombstone also got unnecessarily nerfed. Only Tombstone piece needed a nerf. Judith's is not a good add-on, it's fun to use but requires to stalk all 4 survivors before you have a power, which is way too bad of a downside. Now that it's nerfed, I don't expect Tombstone to be any less frustrating, rather I'd expect Myers' pickrate to drop.
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You don't see how buffing his base kit is good changes?
Piece is the more popular of the two tombstone add ons because it's easier to get going with no speed downsides when you hit tier 3. You can have someone dead at 5 gens. Why would you assume any of this would hurt his pick rate?
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Myers' base kit is boring and has nothing unique. Nobody will play him basekit, even with the buff.
The reason he's popular is because of Tombstone and the Mirror add-ons. Now that they obliterated Judith's Tombstone, half of the reason to play Myers is gone, hence his pickrate will drop. And this is a stupid change, because Judith's is by far the fun one for survivors.
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Some of the most unique as well. I can easily understand why they want to keep it. Especially on such an iconic and fitting licensed killer.
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No offense I am disregarding your first comment because that's personal opinion. There's a reason the community has been asking for years to buff his base kit and nuke the tombstone add ons. So I don't buy into your logic at all.
Again Judith's tombstone is not even the most popular of the two. The piece is. Always has been.
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Myers is currently the 7th most popular in the game, despite being a paid killer. Do you seriously think it will be the case if he becomes a killer whose only power is to expose survivors? When there are killers like Plague or Hillbilly who have almost the same effect, but are much more interesting to play, free, AND much stronger?
The community has not been asking to nuke the Tombstone add-ons they asked to nuke Tombstone piece. Check Otzdarva's Tier-list, he rates Judith's Tombstone as completely average.
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Except its not his only power. He still has the mirror add ons and the piece is still strong.
Yes the community has been asking for years that they nuke tombstone add ons. The ability to just insta kill survivors has never been popular. No offense to Otz but that's his opinion not mine. He's not the final word on something Dbd related and he would be the first to tell you that himself.
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So you can disagree with Otzdarva's opinion but in this case it's pretty apparent you have never played this killer to make yourself an opinion at all… Again, Judith's Tombstone is not Tombstone Piece. While Tombstone Piece allows you to quickly stalk and insakill survivor who you haven't seen in the entire game, Judith's Tombstone usually take 4 gens to charge up fully and by the time you have it everyone hides in lockers, no more "instakill". It's fair to say this playstyle is not to your taste but not acknowledging the difference between both add-ons is questionable as their playstyles are completely different. Judith's also has a -9% speed penalty which is huge and pretty much forces you to use PWYF.
Try it and you'll quickly reconsider. The reality is, Judith's is not a very good add-on.
And FYI even if you play only survivor this change will be detrimental. As it stands on PTB, Judith's Tombstone got nerfed a lot more than Tombstone Piece, so the logical result will be that more people will play Tombstone Piece.
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I am a Myers main. Have been since 2017. I know all the ins and outs of him. But thanks for the ignorant assumption. You don't have to be rude.
I don't understand your logic. You've just tried to sell me the idea that Judith's tombstone takes forever to get going and they all just jump in lockers anyway. So if that's the case according to you, why would anyone care that they nerfed it if its not good anyway? You're just proving my point of why piece was more favored.
I've just been watching some people play him on the PTB. The base kit changes are fantastic. The tier 1 movement speed buff. The stalking at a distance is insane. Not to mention they decreased the stalk requirement to get to tier 2. It was wonderful. He's going to feel so much better to play. With the buffs to stalking I don't think he'll even feel that nerf to tombstone much stalk wise.
Agree to disagree but I think this is going to boost Mikey even more pick rate wise. Anyone who enjoys Myers will be loving these changes I think. Just my humble opinion as a long time Myers main.
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Yay!
Aww...
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It's not "rude" to say you have never played a killer, come on. Seems like I was wrong assuming this, but when your name is "Dwight_Fairfield", that you disagree with Otz and you say you want to "nuke" an average add-on because you basically don't care, it seems logical to assume this. Also to be clear, I'm not talking about the "unfun" aspect, that one is a valid criticism, but the strength of the add-on however is at this point objective: you will not find a single top player that tells you Judith's is good.
why would anyone care that they nerfed it if its not good anyway?
Because it literally goes against the whole premise of doing balance changes? We should nerf things that are strong, not things that are already weak.
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I'll let you pass on that even though that's judging a book by the cover. I love Dwight. I love Michael too. They're my two boys on Dbd. I went with Dwight's name because he's an OG and I relate to his character a lot.
I never disagreed with strength of the add ons. Its for that fact that people wanted to see them gone in favor of base kit buffs. Insta kill mechanics have never ever been popular. Look at Sadako. We were all predicting tombstone piece would be nuked because its the stronger and more popular of the two. But they both survived it. I still maintain I don't think we'll feel the nerfs much with the stalk buffs.
A friend of mine is currently on PTB testing him. He's gone in with no add ons. Testing it with friends in a private match. So far he's popped seven tier 3's and everyone is still alive and nobody has turned remotely red yet for stalk juice. Its wild. I am loving it. Please give it a try yourself if you're a PC gamer.
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Been exploring this with my fellow Pig mains... our initial impressions:
- Tombstone Piece seems even more busted... you can actually get it off 4 times, 1 per survivor, and your stalk time is actually very good, barely a hinderance... you can actually get Evil Incarnate off this add-on alone, and it's basically same old Tombstone Piece, just even better... faster to get going, and more uses. This add-on is terrifyingly good, the only thing being a little harder to pop on demand with ten range inverse, but still amazing.
- The Judith Myers and Fragrant Hair Tuft add-ons are VERY painful to use. This combo of add-ons doesn't care really about the extra stalk limit of survivors, and the 400% on each is painfully slow, basically unusable... you really feel the no additional stalk with 2 survivors in your view more than ever. It's so painful there is literally no point using the JMT add-on.
- Basekit Myers feels better to play, much faster out of t1, but there is this issue that survivors can loop close to you and it is now slower to stalk. Hugging close is a pretty big pain.
The iri and tombstone Piece add-ons really need looking at again, the gulf between them with this change is unbelievable.
The reversal of the stalk rate is interesting, but we've got this issue where running towards Myers and looping him close is actually preferable whi h seems a little weird, and we also have this "slightly difficult to pop while closer" issue.
It's interesting as a set of changes, but there is absolutely more work to be done.
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Not every game is a competitive hardcore competitive pro game, having Myers delete a survivor is fun and fits the character. I am not sure about how it´s going to feel stalking from afar to get more than stalking close, idk, seems weird.
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Pig seal of approval!!!
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Myers is a special case where people don’t really care about him being weak. They find him fun regardless because people feel like they are playing the actual character. Any buff he gets are just a plus.
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I'm happy for any change, but the Tombstone add-ons haven't been dealt with well for me. They still have the potential to take someone out straight away, which needs to be removed.
I have no issue with them granting a Mori on last hook, like The Executioner can do if a survivor is tormented. I'd also be happy for them to add an additional ability, such as maybe seeing generator progress auras at certain points whilst stalking, or silencing the changes in tiers whilst surpressing the TR whilst in tier 2.
Unfortunately, they left the problem "within" for these add-ons.
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Actual lore accurate Myers that means I don't have to be up in their butts to get value from 99ing someone. I can play him like Ghostface, hang back, stalk, and finalize coming in for the kill just like he does in the films. And his power limit is effectively gone, he tiers up more, gets his power more. All he needs now are some addons improved, fixing Tier I, and making him not lose stalk at all but these are good compromises I will happily trade out tombstone items for. I hardly even use those.
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i feel like Ghostface, Pig, and maybe the new Killer are this way. Fun is important, the Killer doesn't always need to be strong as you point out here.
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Dont forget about me 😏
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I thought your main was... well, yourself, my dear friend.
Do you play Myers?
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No I just wanted to be a part of this lmao.
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Hahaha, fair enough friend.
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Myers got Addon Plot Armor
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That's exactly the mindset BHVR wants everyone to have, lol. It's been almost 8 years, and the best they could come up with were basic number tweaks that everyone knows probably took an intern a few days to whip up. The same thing happened with Twins, Sadako, Skull Merchant, and probably Freddy too. But hey, at least he got changed, right?
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kinda expected that. i knew they wouldn't really improve him and only make his instant kill add-on worse. almost all of changes were focused on making his instant kills worse and they might made his base-kit also worse in process. i cannot remember the last time i ever ran out of stalk with myer's. it's not really thing. you need to not get any downs for multiple evil within 3's for that to occur. to me, it looks more like they listen to new player changes.
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4.4ms at tier 1 is a huge change. It's a tiny number tweak but it makes his early game so much better when you are struggling for stalk at the start. Makes so many loops and interactions so much easier to gain stalk on. As for the distance change, it is going to hurt early game at high levels, but it does fit with the theme of stalking from afar. Playing on an indoor map where survivors run when they see you and you have to stalk up close at loops is going to take forever. Will have to play the PTB to see how it feels.
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It’s completely counter intuitive buffing his speed at EW1 but forcing you to stalk from afar. What’s the point of no terror radius? Idk
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exactly , i was expecting the ability to hold onto power like oni instead of allways needing to 99% tier 2 . Faster pallet break speeds and maybe even survivor carrying times in tier 3 . Having the entire draw of t3 being instadown and a slightlly longer lunge is just not enoufh . Billy can basically instadown up close always while having insane map pressence/mobility and not needing to build it up via stalk .
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A great take from MintSkull was to actually make Tombstone a part of Myers' basekit
- Using the existing stalk level per survivor, once a survivor has been fully stalked and hooked at least once, they can be tombstone moried (That way only the person who has fed Myers all of the stalk is directly affected by it)
- A unique audio cue should play to the affected survivor is close to being fully stalked.
- Allow survivors to be moried both on the ground as well as in a locker (with a unique stab/pin animation for both which references the source material - Think Bob's death from the 1978 movie!)
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HUX just wants to feel included. :)
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