All the people complaining about killers running full gens slowdown builds watch this please

Cherry picking one video to match your confirmation bias.

You start with talking about people complaining about killers running four slowdown, then pivot to "good killers don't need gen slowdown." There's a massive leap in argument there.

Unless you're running Myers or Freddy, four slowdown is too much.

Not even 4 gen perks would've changed the outcome of that match. I'm pretty sure there were some hacks going on, but a legit team would probably be only 30 seconds slower than what we saw, just using gen speed builds. But this is why I say that even bad survivors can beat good killers now. Every time you have a favorable chase with them, they just go down in like 20 seconds. But it literally doesn't matter, as long as they know doing gens = win.

I know some people are gonna say, "He misplayed so much." What was he to do differently? Know exactly where they were at all times, and hope they didn't know how to loop? The match was over so fast, there's almost no room for hindsight. Or some would say he should've used a good build instead of a pure chase one. So, if I'm getting this right, a killer should lose 5 gens in ≤5 minutes because they choose one build instead of another? It's silly.

It's beyond parody, the level people expect killers to perform at. It's not even physically possible. All people seem to do is take the cases of clueless solos getting destroyed, and use that to justify killers experiencing the inverse. I agree with Tru3, that the game's never been this sweaty for killer, for worse results than ever. The only reason every single high level match, and even mid-level match, isn't like this one is because of MMR. The MMR is built to deceive you, because it forces bad survivors in with the good ones, against a killer who's actually trying.

People don't look at the grand scheme of things enough, or aren't humble enough to say, "We lost to that killer because our team sucked." I don't care if you say that everyone on the team sucked except you, because I've been there so I'll believe you on that. But it's not as if all these killers we never see at high level, Wraith, Freddy, Pig, Ghost Face, Knight, are suddenly just dominating survivors off their own ability alone. A good swf would beat them 9/10 if not 10/10 times, 4-man and all. I'm not gonna go into detail, but swf is the only group that reaps the benefit of all these survivor changes, because they've never been nerfed, and solo has (in that you get stuck with uncarryable teams). People framing killers winning too much as a problem, but never swf or solos winning too much, is how we got here.

So, I watched this whole video, but I want to highlight something that is kinda wrong with your post in a way that stands separately from the video itself: You shift the goalposts from complaints about killers running four slowdown perks, to people saying that the killer doesn't need to run any slowdown perks. Those are different statements you'd go about defending or critiquing in different ways.

When it comes to this video being presented as evidence, there's sort of two small flaws that I want to mention, on top of the obvious flaw that this is a single video so it's hard to draw sweeping conclusions from it, and then a sort of potential third thing? It's hard to tell for that, I'll get to it in a second.

The first sort of follows on from my first point. There is a gigantic difference between a balanced and competent build that just happens to not have direct gen defence in it, and what this guy's running which is a gimmick meme build all dedicated to the same thing. There's no info here, there's only one kind of chase perk here, there's nothing that plays off Xeno's strengths as a killer, there's nothing that indicates any kind of coherent gameplan beyond the meme of watching the vault be really really fast. This build may kinda suck, that doesn't speak at all to what you can achieve with other builds that just don't have direct gen defence.

The second thing to point out is that this was a horrendous start to the match, considering this dude just wanders over to main and breaks a breakable wall before pressuring anyone and even flat out ignores survivors he found. Leaving survivors alone to do generators at the start of the match is gonna result in more progression than if they didn't.

The third point is… I'm preeetty sure that all these survivors have toolboxes? It's hard to tell because we don't see the lobby and we don't see the builds at the end of the game, but this looked like a team that was really going hard on gen progression, and flat out - gen speeds in this game are balanced even if you don't bring gen defence, but toolboxes are not. If this video proves anything, then - dependent on whether they all did have toolboxes - it proves that toolboxes are unbalanced. That, or the team were just cheating, which is possible.

My take, personally, is that a lot of stuff went wrong in this particular video. It was a meme build as opposed to a good one, the start of the match was really bad, and the survivors all had a specific tool that itself is the unbalanced thing. It's hard to really draw any conclusions just from this, but it certainly doesn't disprove the notions that builds matter but don't require gen defence specifically, and that toolboxes are unbalanced.

Bad killers wander, good killers search with purpose.

It's also about what he does do as much as what he doesn't. He does go out of his way to hit a breakable wall before interacting with any survivors, he does ignore the survivors he saw to go get into a tunnel, and he does leave the tunnel exit just to go back to where he started again even though there were survivors up by the gallows.

Again, gens definitely went too fast in this video and that is 100% either cheating or dedicated toolbox builds, and either situation is bad + warrants action from the devs, but good results shouldn't be expected even if that wasn't the case because the way this guy approached the game was just fundamentally not very good. Which is fine, obviously, nobody needs to play like a robot every match, but it is relevant to the conversation.

On previous week I was watching Hens' stream, where he with friends tried to break his streak on fastest escape and almost every game gates were opened before 3 minutes. It's absolutely insane watching how killer barely start his first chase and half of survivor's objectives are already done.
When good survivors actually try a win in public, I don't think even good Nurse can stop them from this, amount of resources, second chances and saved time they can bring into the match is ridiculous. But hey, 9 out of 10 Sable getting two tapped by Pig and put turrets in front of Xeno's exits, so game is killer sided, you know.

The difference is frequency. The logistics of putting together a four man SWF dedicated to this kind of build makes it so rare that it doesn't matter. On survivor you can get a killer running four slowdowns every 2-3 games. Can gen rushing builds be OP? Sure but lets not act like they're anywhere near as common as high tier killers stacking the strongest ****.

Slightly above average Killer Main goes against a Team which really, really wants to win. This is the expceted outcome and it almost never happens. Most of the time this person wins his games quite easily (which is never talked about).

You can. Nobody needs to run 4 Slowdown-Perks. Nobody.

My point is that so much else is wrong with this clip that I don't even think slowdown perks would've helped that much.

We have confirmation that this was a toolbox squad, which is the major thing wrong with trying to make a broad comment about balance using this as evidence. Genrush squads are extremely unbalanced, but they're also extremely rare, teams that commit this hard to just doing gens and getting out are very uncommon and not something you'd really be considering when making a build.

Then there's all the other stuff, like this being a gimmick meme build and the gameplay including a lot of mistakes, that just compound that this particular video went the way it did because of way more factors than just "he didn't have slowdown".

I feel like the issue with those gen rushing builds is how basically every perk/items survivors have for it stacks. With gen DEFENSE perks, we have anti-synergy to avoid stacking. Gens that are blocked won't regress and can't be kicked. Regressing gens can't be kicked, so things like Pop/ruin can't be used together. Survivor gen perks though have no such anti-synergy.

sounds like classic excuse. it is what almost every player says when watching tru3 play killer. he didn't play well and lost. tru3's mostly illustrating that not using gen defence perks is "throwing" as killer. i don't think the game is suppose to be so punishing for killer that not using an archetype of perks guarantees your loss as killer.

Every single time the shoe is on the other foot we hear these exact same things:

• If the other team is playing to win and you aren't, don't expect to win.
• These are the strategies that are used in comp DbD, you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
• There are LiTeRaLlY tOnS oF pErKs that defend against this play style, if you didn't bring any of them, that's on you.

That's literally what is said in every. Single. Thread. About camping, tunneling, or slugging.

Could the killer have played better? Absolutely. The other team wanted the win more than a meme game. At least he got a fast match in return. Slugging to bleed out is 4 minutes alone, and only requires one petty person to have a bad day.

Go next, move on and you won't see a squad like this for months.