Why Wraith is so insanely overpowered?
Seriously he one of the strongest and most insufferable killer to go againt. Seriously why he have so much broken stuff that make playing agains him almost impossible. For example:
- Why he has speed increase while cloaked?
- Why he has speed boost after uncloaked it makes mostly loops useless against him ( there is many times why il already vaulting but he is still get me cause stupid speed boost?
- Why flashlight dont stun him anymore while cloaked (literally it was only counterplay against hes busted power)?
- Why he has so insanely good addons that make him not just annoying but impossible to go against (fast breaking while cloaked, silent bell, gen aure, faster uncloaking and etc.)?
- And finally why he can bodyblock while cloaked its double unfair cause of his insane speed?
So to fix this broken mess he should be nerfed very heavily. Cause its not okay why so easy to play killer being that powerful that only comp SWF can do something against him. So here is fix suggestion
- Remove speed bonus while cloaked (He is already 4.6m killer and gain undetectable, more speed is unessary and broken)
- Remove speed boost after he is uncloaked (I think hes need to be slowdown after uncloaked like 8% hindered for 3 sec)
- Return lightburn mechanic
- Rework his addons to get Freddy/Pyramid Head treatment
- Make him lose colision while cloaked
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Bait used to be believable…
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Sounds like you never face a good Wraith or you just play with comp SWF, but in solo games playing against him is nightmare. Or maybe you just a troll and im baiting by answer this, but still do not comment something if you have no idea or knowledge about question.
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Wraith is a newbie stomper. I used to hate him when I first started playing this game, but not anymore. I think he is a fun killer to verse. It used to be funnier with the flashlight burn.
Mindgames against Wraith are fun. Sometimes they have Bamboozle and you just hold W
Pallet standoffs against Wraith are fun
Spam vault to block their vault/break prompt is also fun8 -
You're being serious? T_T
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- For Your Complaints
- So that he can have some map pressure.
- So that he can have a anti-loop tool.
- Because BHVR wanted to remove item interactions with killer power. I believe Nemesis zombies are the only one still in the game.
- Add-ons are gold standard. They increase his power for the most part while having very few trash choices.
- So he can stop survivors who path badly or are out of position; giving him some more anti-loop.
- For Your Suggestions
- No. He would lose all map pressure.
- No. He would lose all anti-loop.
- No. BHVR don't want item interactions w/killer powers.
- No. His add-ons are the gold standard others killers should follow.
- No. He shouldn't be punished for using his power correctly.
Also, Wraith is a very middle of the pack killer. There is nothing OP about him at all but you are entitled to your opinion.
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Wraith is quite weak honestly
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He is strongest M1 killer and real nightmare for solo survivors also biggest tunneler and camper
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I understand that you killer main but say that Wraith addons are fine is just ridiculous. They extramly annoying and undeserved powerful, he is desperatly need addon pass (please make them like Freddy/Pyramid Head addons). Plus hes not deserved map pressuere and anti-loop cause how annoying he is, so speed boost should gone for good.
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This post is obviously one of two things. A troll post or a noob post. Wraith is notoriously not overpowered. Only someone inexperienced in the game would think so. If you think Wraith is overpowered then my recommendation is to play 100 games as Wraith. At first you'll probably go up against newbs and stomp them easily confirming your bias that Wraith is overpowered. But as you improve your MMR and start going up against experienced survivors, you'll start to see his short comings and how to exploit him.
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I play as Wraith and i play against Wraith. By playing him i usually get 4k in chill way cause mostly time its easy, seriously not on any other killer i get such good result with such little effort as him and i play without addons with mostly not meta perks. But playing against him is nightmare. We being killed at 4 gens left, 2 people usually "go next" on 1st hook and chase last less then 15 second. So he is indeed broken and needs changes
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I don't want to repeat myself but I will. Play 100 consecutive games as Wraith and record the results. The number of games you played as Wraith and against Wraith clearly isn't enough. You are simply wrong about your assumption. The 5 to 20 games you've played as Wraith are not enough. If you are playing against noobs then you can play as Trapper and never set a trap and still stomp. It's only when you build up enough MMR to go against experienced survivors that you'll start to see a killer's weaknesses. There is a reason that Wraith isn't considered a high tier killer.
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How many hours do you have, out of interest?
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You must be new to the game if you're not only constantly running into Wraiths, but also losing to them. Keep playing, and you'll improve to the point where Wraiths are not an issue (unless your teammates are bad).
Also, the nerfs you suggested… those are terrible. Like, really terrible. Just keep playing and stop trying to look at everything from a balance perspective when you're new, it’s pointless.
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He is overturned. You realize quickly something is wrong when he can start uncloaking and he can still manage to hit you through sprint burst. Unless there is a pallet within 6 meters, he will hit you every time. Nobody defends him unless they are killer mains that enjoy free hits all the time.
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- So what? A killer needs some kind of power. Being a M1 killer is not enough.
- Because otherwise he'd have absolutely nothing in chase and couldn't hit you after uncloaking. He slows himself down while he uncloaks and that distance is barely shorter than what he can cover with the increased movement speed and lunge. If the speed boost was removed he'd literally just screw himself by using his power in chase.
- Because the devs don't want killers to be countered by items, since that is very inconsistent. 4 flashlights could be a hard counter and no flashlights could mean that the killer would be at a huge advantage. It's better to balance a killer by their base kit and addons. Not to mention, Wraith was never strong enough for Lightburn to be necessary.
- Because his base kit isn't all that powerful. The weaker a killer is, the more powerful their addons can be without them becoming broken. Silent Bell is quite strong indeed but for the most part it's not an issue. You can still hear him coming because he makes some noise while cloaked. It's also possible to see his silhouette when he's cloaked. Gen auras are very good but honestly this isn't that much of a step up from an experienced killer. Most killers know what gens are worked on anyway, so this is not that big of a deal. It does come in handy but it's not like he'll know where everyone is at all times.
- Because otherwise you'd make it to the window / pallet before he can hit you, which would limit his power even more.
Wraith honestly isn't that strong. Once you learn to watch out for his silhouette and the sounds he makes while cloaked, he pretty much never catches you off guard and at that point you can mostly treat him like a pure M1 killer.
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Wraith OP? This is satire right?
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If you are sprinting as he is uncloaking, your pathing would have to be terrible to get hit, even at close distances. His slow down during the uncloak would put you well out of range of his lunge if you are actually sprinting (SB/Lithe/BL/etc)
Then again you think he's overtuned, so I guess I'd second the above recommendation to play him, climb up to high MMR with him, and take notes on how he gets destroyed so you can use that info as survivor.
Also the implication that only killer mains think he's weak (wonder why they wouldn't know how strong he apparently is?) is pretty broad too, most of the community on both sides generally agree that he is one of the weaker killers (though few would call him the worst.)
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Especially in the 2v8 mode, they buffed his movement or uncloak speed. Unless it is server lag, he has managed to hit me every time through sprint burst. Explain why a killer should be able to silently approach a survivor and if injured get an easy down?
You don't balance games with high MMR survivors while also dismissing high MMR killers, which has fundamentally destroyed balance in the game.
The so-called "community" that seems to dictate balance are full SWF teams that play killer. This is why those opinions should be dismissed. It's not even a secret anymore that solo Q is unplayable and it's due to balance.
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The point of playing high MMR is so that you can see how people counter you, as I mentioned. Wraith has multiple counters, some of which are even mentioned in this thread.
as for your claims about "full SWF teams that play killer(?)" you're looking for an excuse to dismiss info you don't agree with. Adding a random woe is solo Q comment at the end is not an argument, just a tangent complaint.
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He's perfectly fine, low skill, mid tier killer.
Of course, he might seem OP when you put Trapper as the ideal perfect balanced design.
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Maybe I'm just a terrible survivor with no skill, but hoping a window vault or a pallet is right beside you when he uncloaks doesn't sound like fair counterplay to me. Either he needs a terror radius while cloaked or his lunge needs reduced.
I mean, solo Q is a game mode that should be balanced properly and not dismissed.
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…….Did you just ask why a basic M1 killer who's only other power is stealth gets a speed increase why cloaked? Like, for real?
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Again, you're being hyperbolic. You do not need to be next to a window or pallet to not get hit by wraith, especially if you hear his footsteps and snarl/see his shimmer/have any awareness as he approaches. And exhaustion perks do counter his uncloak lunge, when used correctly. He often needs to cancel his decloak and chase until the sprint ends, catch up and look for a pallet/window to bodyblock, then uncloak and go for the lunge. Again, this is all counterable by proper pathing, not just using map resources.
Learn from it or don't, but there's a reason this wraith op sentiment usually gets laughed at.
(also, TR while cloaked? Lunge distance reduced? Those are horrible suggestions.)
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In which world is wraith op? He's still a normal m1 killer and therefore easy to play around, if he gets to bodyblock you then you were probably in a bad position to leave or too far away from the start and even then you can try to bait him to leave his route to block you with quick turns and spins.
The boost after uncloaking doesn't make loops useless they just make them actually 50/50 and not impossible lol.
The stuns with flashlight were just unnecessary, he was one of the only killers that are outplayed by pure luck because you ether bring a flashlight at random or find it in a chest. He didn't even have a power that's worth having a countered by items like nurse or hag (even there was it really questionable so I'm quite happy that they removed that) xD
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This is the second post I saw recently saying Wraith is op. Wraith's greatest power is hurting my eyes while I don't blink so I can see him coming.
I don't think he's op at all. That addon that lets him see gen progress by their auras is pretty strong, but he's not Nurse, so I'm alright going against a Wraith :)
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Are you serious? He actually has the most counterplay in the game. His speed and stealth isn't broken. It's what makes him have an ability, which on occasion leads to him getting downs. His add-ons are much the same, and are some of the best designed add-ons in the game. He's M1 at the end of the day. If you're having issues looping M1s, I don't really know what to tell you. But he does have the most counterplay, and it's simple to understand, especially if you've played as him. Survivors can literally counter everything. He uncloaks at a pallet? Drop it or call his bluff (he wants to 99% his uncloak so you drop it, so he can break it and still remain in cloak), and the moment you do call his bluff, you're in his head at all future loops. Some loops, he uncloaks at a pallet, and you can literally just go around the loop again or detach to another nearby loop. If he's not uncloaking under a pallet at a loop, 90% of the time you can just react and beat him back around to the pallet again. He goes for a body block on you? Look for when he does this, and run to a different nearby pallet/window (because he can't block everything at once). If he tries to vault or break a pallet, you can literally spam vault back and forth, which takes away his prompt, until he's forced to uncloak.
His post-uncloak speed-up/lunge used to be actually good, and now it sucks, always coming just short of hitting people when you really need him to. Because of that, survivors have control of chase, even on short loop tiles, instead of him. He used to be light burnable, but that was stupid and broken, because anyone with flashlights or flashbangs could just stun him for free, to where he'd actually have to hide from the survivors behind a wall while uncloaking. That was pathetic for a killer, hence why it got removed. His slowdown from having to uncloak is also really dang slow, to where the speed boost breaks even at best, and usually is actually worse. He pretty much needs Windstorm/Swift Hunt as auto-include add-ons.
I think complaining about killers as weak as he is shows the skill/maturity of the playerbase. Nurse, and flick Blight/Oni are killers who actually have next to no counterplay, because they just break into any angle, past any obstacles you can think of. But M1s like Wraith, Freddy, Pig, Ghost Face, Skull Merchant? How can you say there's no counterplay? You run a tile in a predetermined manner, using check spots and playing safe, and they literally can't get you. That's who you're complaining about.
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Calling something "the best M1 killer" is like determining "this is the strongest ant I've found." There's just nothing there. And you using emotional buzzwords like "annoying," and saying that ALL people who play Wraith are the biggest campers/tunnelers, isn't helping your case.
That is such a lie. Play him and see how smooth his uncloak/lunge is. Except it isn't, because it's slow and janky, ever since his nerf way back when. I can't remember the last time I got a hit with Wraith that I didn't have to fight for. He's like Freddy or Pig. He's got to fight for every little hit, even at the weakest of tiles. If your survivors have no clue what they're doing, then maybe your experience is different. But either way, we seem to be appraising two totally different killers.
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Bubbas should be holding the award for biggest tunnelers and campers ;)
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So why do all "experts" of this game rate him as a mid-tier killer? Elite players and others there is not a single one who thinks Wraith is among the strongest killers. Only players with little time in this game thinks Wraith is super strong. He is ok but nowhere close to being too strong. Anyone can name 10 killers stronger than Wraith without thinking long.
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clearly all other killers are even more overpowered and OP is just humble enough to complain only about wraith
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Return ligthburn to wraith easy fix.
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I used to feel the same way about him. I used to think he was an unstoppable terror. Since getting better at Survivor his weaknesses are more obvious.
Yes he will be on you like white on rice but his uncloaking is his achilles heel. You can make him waste a lot of time at pallets.
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Definitely a troll post. Wraith is consistent and easy to pick up, probably the easiest killer to do decent with, but OP? Watch good survivors destroy him.
He is a middle of the row killer with a very simple mechanic and a few decent add ons.1 -
Wraith is not OP or anything. He is probably a bit too efficient when you look at how easy he is to play, but this is alright.
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That "Rework his addons to get Freddy/Pyramid Head treatment" was just muak, muak - chefs kiss.
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Wraith definitely isn't overpowered.
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Now you convinced me that this is bait.
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That was the last nail in the coffin for me T_T
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You kind of outed yourself when you thought changing Wraith's addons to be similar to Pyramid Head/Freddy was a good idea OP.
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Arguably, when you go against skilled enough Survs as ANY Killer, you will start to see the weaknesses of ANY Killer. This isn't just a Wraith thing.
I will also add because others are stating this: There is no such thing as "just an M1 Killer". Every Killer has a power. The power can be countered in various ways, but they still have one. Even M1 Killers. This is Wraith's, play around it and learn the counters or you die in the round. Not to be blunt, but that's how it works.
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To be fair if the Ghostface in question has checkspotters, and he's any smart? He uses Shroud to hide his red stain. You can't checkspot a stain you can't see.
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