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Why Wraith is so insanely overpowered?

Seriously he one of the strongest and most insufferable killer to go againt. Seriously why he have so much broken stuff that make playing agains him almost impossible. For example:

  1. Why he has speed increase while cloaked?
  2. Why he has speed boost after uncloaked it makes mostly loops useless against him ( there is many times why il already vaulting but he is still get me cause stupid speed boost?
  3. Why flashlight dont stun him anymore while cloaked (literally it was only counterplay against hes busted power)?
  4. Why he has so insanely good addons that make him not just annoying but impossible to go against (fast breaking while cloaked, silent bell, gen aure, faster uncloaking and etc.)?
  5. And finally why he can bodyblock while cloaked its double unfair cause of his insane speed?

So to fix this broken mess he should be nerfed very heavily. Cause its not okay why so easy to play killer being that powerful that only comp SWF can do something against him. So here is fix suggestion

  1. Remove speed bonus while cloaked (He is already 4.6m killer and gain undetectable, more speed is unessary and broken)
  2. Remove speed boost after he is uncloaked (I think hes need to be slowdown after uncloaked like 8% hindered for 3 sec)
  3. Return lightburn mechanic
  4. Rework his addons to get Freddy/Pyramid Head treatment
  5. Make him lose colision while cloaked

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Comments

  • Gardhome
    Gardhome Member Posts: 111

    He is strongest M1 killer and real nightmare for solo survivors also biggest tunneler and camper

  • Gardhome
    Gardhome Member Posts: 111
    edited November 16

    I understand that you killer main but say that Wraith addons are fine is just ridiculous. They extramly annoying and undeserved powerful, he is desperatly need addon pass (please make them like Freddy/Pyramid Head addons). Plus hes not deserved map pressuere and anti-loop cause how annoying he is, so speed boost should gone for good.

  • Gardhome
    Gardhome Member Posts: 111

    I play as Wraith and i play against Wraith. By playing him i usually get 4k in chill way cause mostly time its easy, seriously not on any other killer i get such good result with such little effort as him and i play without addons with mostly not meta perks. But playing against him is nightmare. We being killed at 4 gens left, 2 people usually "go next" on 1st hook and chase last less then 15 second. So he is indeed broken and needs changes

  • PreorderBonus
    PreorderBonus Member Posts: 318

    You must be new to the game if you're not only constantly running into Wraiths, but also losing to them. Keep playing, and you'll improve to the point where Wraiths are not an issue (unless your teammates are bad).

    Also, the nerfs you suggested… those are terrible. Like, really terrible. Just keep playing and stop trying to look at everything from a balance perspective when you're new, it’s pointless.

  • mecca
    mecca Member Posts: 326

    He is overturned. You realize quickly something is wrong when he can start uncloaking and he can still manage to hit you through sprint burst. Unless there is a pallet within 6 meters, he will hit you every time. Nobody defends him unless they are killer mains that enjoy free hits all the time.

  • mecca
    mecca Member Posts: 326

    Especially in the 2v8 mode, they buffed his movement or uncloak speed. Unless it is server lag, he has managed to hit me every time through sprint burst. Explain why a killer should be able to silently approach a survivor and if injured get an easy down?

    You don't balance games with high MMR survivors while also dismissing high MMR killers, which has fundamentally destroyed balance in the game.

    The so-called "community" that seems to dictate balance are full SWF teams that play killer. This is why those opinions should be dismissed. It's not even a secret anymore that solo Q is unplayable and it's due to balance.

  • mecca
    mecca Member Posts: 326

    Maybe I'm just a terrible survivor with no skill, but hoping a window vault or a pallet is right beside you when he uncloaks doesn't sound like fair counterplay to me. Either he needs a terror radius while cloaked or his lunge needs reduced.

    I mean, solo Q is a game mode that should be balanced properly and not dismissed.

  • danielmaster87
    danielmaster87 Member Posts: 9,420

    Are you serious? He actually has the most counterplay in the game. His speed and stealth isn't broken. It's what makes him have an ability, which on occasion leads to him getting downs. His add-ons are much the same, and are some of the best designed add-ons in the game. He's M1 at the end of the day. If you're having issues looping M1s, I don't really know what to tell you. But he does have the most counterplay, and it's simple to understand, especially if you've played as him. Survivors can literally counter everything. He uncloaks at a pallet? Drop it or call his bluff (he wants to 99% his uncloak so you drop it, so he can break it and still remain in cloak), and the moment you do call his bluff, you're in his head at all future loops. Some loops, he uncloaks at a pallet, and you can literally just go around the loop again or detach to another nearby loop. If he's not uncloaking under a pallet at a loop, 90% of the time you can just react and beat him back around to the pallet again. He goes for a body block on you? Look for when he does this, and run to a different nearby pallet/window (because he can't block everything at once). If he tries to vault or break a pallet, you can literally spam vault back and forth, which takes away his prompt, until he's forced to uncloak.

    His post-uncloak speed-up/lunge used to be actually good, and now it sucks, always coming just short of hitting people when you really need him to. Because of that, survivors have control of chase, even on short loop tiles, instead of him. He used to be light burnable, but that was stupid and broken, because anyone with flashlights or flashbangs could just stun him for free, to where he'd actually have to hide from the survivors behind a wall while uncloaking. That was pathetic for a killer, hence why it got removed. His slowdown from having to uncloak is also really dang slow, to where the speed boost breaks even at best, and usually is actually worse. He pretty much needs Windstorm/Swift Hunt as auto-include add-ons.

    I think complaining about killers as weak as he is shows the skill/maturity of the playerbase. Nurse, and flick Blight/Oni are killers who actually have next to no counterplay, because they just break into any angle, past any obstacles you can think of. But M1s like Wraith, Freddy, Pig, Ghost Face, Skull Merchant? How can you say there's no counterplay? You run a tile in a predetermined manner, using check spots and playing safe, and they literally can't get you. That's who you're complaining about.

  • smurf
    smurf Member Posts: 309

    Bubbas should be holding the award for biggest tunnelers and campers ;)

  • DBD78
    DBD78 Member Posts: 3,464
    edited November 17

    So why do all "experts" of this game rate him as a mid-tier killer? Elite players and others there is not a single one who thinks Wraith is among the strongest killers. Only players with little time in this game thinks Wraith is super strong. He is ok but nowhere close to being too strong. Anyone can name 10 killers stronger than Wraith without thinking long.

  • Toystory3Monkey
    Toystory3Monkey Member Posts: 787

    clearly all other killers are even more overpowered and OP is just humble enough to complain only about wraith

  • buggybug
    buggybug Member Posts: 311

    Return ligthburn to wraith easy fix.

  • HerInfernalMajesty
    HerInfernalMajesty Member Posts: 1,838

    I used to feel the same way about him. I used to think he was an unstoppable terror. Since getting better at Survivor his weaknesses are more obvious.

    Yes he will be on you like white on rice but his uncloaking is his achilles heel. You can make him waste a lot of time at pallets.

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 16,275

    Wraith is not OP or anything. He is probably a bit too efficient when you look at how easy he is to play, but this is alright.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 11,256

    Wraith definitely isn't overpowered.

  • appleas
    appleas Member Posts: 1,128

    You kind of outed yourself when you thought changing Wraith's addons to be similar to Pyramid Head/Freddy was a good idea OP.

  • SidneysBane1996
    SidneysBane1996 Member Posts: 286
    edited November 19

    Arguably, when you go against skilled enough Survs as ANY Killer, you will start to see the weaknesses of ANY Killer. This isn't just a Wraith thing.

    I will also add because others are stating this: There is no such thing as "just an M1 Killer". Every Killer has a power. The power can be countered in various ways, but they still have one. Even M1 Killers. This is Wraith's, play around it and learn the counters or you die in the round. Not to be blunt, but that's how it works.

  • SidneysBane1996
    SidneysBane1996 Member Posts: 286

    To be fair if the Ghostface in question has checkspotters, and he's any smart? He uses Shroud to hide his red stain. You can't checkspot a stain you can't see.

  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,947

    Yeah, no kidding. I wouldn't argue against that. But this particular thread is discussing Wraith. The OP is taking a stance that makes it obvious that they lack experience playing as or against Wraith. I was merely pointing out that the solution to a lack of experience is to gain experience.

  • angrychuck
    angrychuck Member Posts: 64

    Wraith is not op.

  • squbax
    squbax Member Posts: 1,493

    Lucky for us the devs added clothing strips that are so wonky they can be seen over loops or go infront of him.

  • justadreampallet
    justadreampallet Member Posts: 162

    saying something needs the Freddy treatment is a gross opinion.

    Killers having interesting add ons is a good thing, having differences can help people learn a killer and play them to the funnest they could.

    Py-head has 2 good add-ons. Why should wraith be brought down to boring cause a minority thinks he’s strong. Most people think he is fun and able to be counterplayed. Try finding a guide to play against him before complaining

  • iceeinchrg
    iceeinchrg Member Posts: 19

    As someone who mains Wraith since the Freddy disaster if I want to be killer, he is a mind games killer. I win my games by being smarter than survivors. They are suicidally altruistic and will often unhook with 10 seconds, meaning I haven’t even had time to kick the generator and leave the area, so I’m right there inadvertently camping the hook, and you can’t ask a killer to pass up flesh when it throws itself at you. Wraith is also very easy to loop at a vault if he isn’t running perks for it, so I’ll body block a vault before uncloaking, or simply concede a chase I can’t win quickly and move on before wasting the time. Catching people in the open, fooling people into dropping pallets early in the game during chases I’m not actually committed to, and regularly kicking generators is how I win matches. All killers are going to be strong with addons, that’s not a Wraith specific issue. The killer is just using stealth and brains to outplay you, and there are multiple killers built around this concept. And it’s okay to be killed. Never go into a match expecting to live.

  • PetTheDoggo
    PetTheDoggo Member Posts: 171

    Spirit, Pinhead, Sadako, Hag are technically M1 and way better than Wraith (Wraith is easier tho)

    Combination of words M1 and biggest tunneler/camper doesn't seem right. Biggest definetly can't mean best, because he is not even close to any of those. Also not even biggest for either of those.

  • SidneysBane1996
    SidneysBane1996 Member Posts: 286

    Oh, you think every Ghostface wears the default skin…

    That's kind of adorable, most serious ones don't. :)

  • Mikempk67
    Mikempk67 Member Posts: 12

    So you're saying to make wraiths add-ons useless?

    The only reason pyramid head gets away with it is because he's actually a strong killer unlike Freddy AND Wraith...

  • Gardhome
    Gardhome Member Posts: 111

    Pinhead is more m2 killer

    Hag is no way stronger than Wraith. She is one of the 3 killers (with Ghostface and Trapper) when survivors can denied your power for the entire game by one survivor follow you and destroy your power and your left as 4.4 m1 killer with no mobility or anti loop power.

    Sadako is literally worse version of Wraith cause everything she is done he did better. - He has huge speed in stealth mod, she is not. - She having directional lullaby, he is not - She cant bodyblock in stealth, he is - Wraith has option to be completly sneaky with right addons (silent bell) when sadako always stack with wooshing sound when manifested - He has insane amout of good, strong and even broken addons when mostly sadako addons are garbage

    Spirit is a good example but she has many downside that Wraith doesnt have, her ability on cooldown, she is 4.4, she cant see survivors in her power. So yeah she is only m1 killer who is stronger than Wraith, but it compensate with many downsides that Wraith doesnt have.

  • Nazzzak
    Nazzzak Member Posts: 5,652

    I used to feel this way back when I first started playing. He felt really strong to me as a new player. A good Wraith is still very strong but your average Wraith is fine imo. I play him sometimes too and recommend him for new players as a good killer to start with because he is pretty simple to learn. He's one of the more common killers I've faced and most people play him the same way, so he can be quite predictable.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 11,256

    Speaking of Wraith and new players, I remember my first time getting face-camped was against a Wraith.

    Original Mount Ormond, if memory serves me right.

  • Unequalmitten86
    Unequalmitten86 Member Posts: 272

    I don't feel wraith is OP, he just feels that way because of the way people play him. I would say he is best used for bodyblocking while cloaked. Yes they are notorious of camping the hook cloaked. If played without those features he's fair. There are some add ons that could use a nerf but very few. I feel he's fine. In 2V8 though yeah he's super charged and not fun especially when paired with the Spirit or Nurse.

  • PetTheDoggo
    PetTheDoggo Member Posts: 171

    Pinhead M2 is only slow, so kinda Clown with extra step. (unless iri addon is used)

    Hag is going to destroy soloQ groups more than Wraith can ever do.

    Funny to say how Spirit has so many "downsides", but is better than Wraith anyway. It's almost as Wraith has his own limitations.

  • lav3
    lav3 Member Posts: 773

    He's strong in good players hands but definitely not overpowered.

    Things like reduced M1 hit CD, faster break/kicking, hemorrhage change just made him stronger.

  • Jay_K
    Jay_K Member Posts: 470

    I can only assume that you have made this post as a troll?. Ignoring the fact that the English grammer in this hurts my brain, you basicly want to removed every part of his power and turn him into an m1 killer that can go stealth but then never have a benefit to that because of the insane debuff from uncloaking?

    My assumption is that you have been destroyed by a good wraith player and just want him out of the game because entitled....

    I do hope your post was a joke because if it is a serious suggestion then you need to take a break from dbd my dude because it's very clear your burnt out with dbd as of you're complaining about an of killer that is mid tier at best

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,807
    edited November 20

    If we're in the habit of complaining about grammar, I hope you have no complains to me checking yours? Ignore the quote line above, that's a forums error that copied over from Notepad and I can't seem to fix, sadly ^

    "I can only assume that you have made this post as a troll?."

    "You have" can be shortened to "you've" for ease of reading, and there's no need to put a full stop following your question mark. A question mark ends a sentence, so there's no need to then re-end it.

    "Ignoring the fact that the English grammer in this hurts my brain,…"

    Everyone in this thread is speaking English; there's no need to clarify that the grammar specifically is English. Also, grammar*.

    "…you basicly want to removed every part of his power and turn him into an m1 killer…"

    Firstly, basically*. Secondly, "remove" not "removed" - "you basically want to remove…". Minor point, too, but the M for M1 should be capitalised.

    "…that can go stealth…"

    The phrasing of "that can go stealth" is clunky - either go for "enter stealth" or "become stealthed", and instead of "can" the conditional "could" works better with the phrasing when using "that": "that could enter stealth".
    Moreover, though, as the Wraith is a killer (a character and person, not a thing) the "that" is also not the best fit - you'll want to use "who", so while your "can" could be correct ("who can enter stealth/who can become stealthed") the "could" is still the best fit, IMO.

    "…but then never have a benefit to that because of the insane debuff from uncloaking?"

    This is missing a conditional clause, which was present in the last phrase (even when using "can"). "But then would never have a benefit" would work better.

    Following this, you've got 2 line spacing, which can work if you're consistent, but in general you'll want to stick to just the one, particularly on these forums. Smaller line spacing can be accessed using shift + enter, so the double space is gramatically incorrect also. You can see what that looks like above.

    "My assumption is that you have been destroyed by a good wraith player and just want him out of the game because entitled...."

    Now this starts off promising (though again "you have" can be shortened to "you've" for easier reading, especially as these forums aren't generally hugely academic so contractions are allowed and often used, case in point), but you stumble near the end. The "just" is unnecessary to get your point across, though not hugely harmful to the sentence. There are, however, missing words between "because" and "entitled" - perhaps a "you're" wouldn't go amiss? "Because you're entitled" flows much better, but you've got some options here.
    Also, an elipsis is only three - like this "…" - anything further is unnecessary and looks like the same issue with the question mark above - you're trying to end a sentence which the elipsis has already ended. While they can serve many purposes, and don't always end a sentence, in this case the general rules of grammar dictate that it ends that sentence specifically.
    Finally, Wraith is a proper noun as it refers to a specific person, place, or thing, so therefore must always be capitalised.

    "I do hope your post was a joke because if it is a serious suggestion then you need to take a break from dbd my dude…"

    Very nearly correct, but "dbd" should be "DbD" because it's a shortening of "Dead by Daylight", which is capitalised. Also, the "my dude" is a separate clause, so should be separated with a comma; "…break from DbD, my dude,…" works much better.

    "…because it's very clear your burnt out with dbd…"

    You're using "it's" here, which is inconsistent with the rest of your answer. I'm aware I've corrected you not contracting before, but as here you are I'd advise that you pick one or the other - either go for a fully academic writing style, or use contractions constantly. To do otherwise reads poorly.
    Also, it's "you're" and not "your". "You're" is a contraction of "you" and "are" - "because it is very clear you are burnt out…" - while "your" dictates that an object, place, person, or other thing belongs to the individual with whom you're speaking to. "Your burnt out" could work if it was instead "your burn out", as "burn" is then used as a noun and not a verb, however that would require further sentence restructing.
    Finally, as before, it's "DbD" and not "dbd".

    "…as of you're complaining about an of killer that is mid tier at best"

    I'm not entirely sure what the "of" is supposed to be in either use - this simply isn't grammatically correct, and I'd suggest rewriting using a different word.
    The good news? You've successfully used the correct "you're" here - why could you not do this earlier?
    As you've contracted "you've" and "it's" above, contract "that is" to "that's" or uncontract the "it's" and "you're". Consistency is key.
    Finally, you'll want to end on a full stop (or other related punctuation mark). For example: ".", "!", "?", "…" are all valid ways of ending a sentence.

    Overall, I give it a 4/10, needs improvements. I'd advise working on your own grammatical standards before complaining about other people's. As the proverb goes, "Good writing is good editing, and vice-versa".

    Post edited by GoodBoyKaru on
  • solarjin1
    solarjin1 Member Posts: 2,150

    bro ran into instant uncloak wraith in the 2v8 and never recover 💀

  • Jay_K
    Jay_K Member Posts: 470

    LMAO you spent that much time going through a message haha. I'm actually happy because is just goes to show that some people in these forums get triggered over anything.

    Bottom line. This post is pointless. The suggestions for the "nerfs" were garbage and the original post was just pain to read with how badly it was written.

    But I look forward to book number 2 from the self appointed grammer police 🚓 🚨