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Remove the final mori
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Why don't we go in the opposite direction and make the finisher mori less restricted so killers can mori earlier and don't have to wait for people to get sacrificed? The biggest complaint is killers waiting around to mori while other survivors are on hook, right? Or slugging for the 4k so they can end the match with a mori? What if we buffed it to be like this:
- Finisher Mori unlocks after 2 survivors are sacrificed
- Finisher Mori can now also be performed if all other living survivors are on hook and in struggle phase, even without them being sacrificed
Wouldn't this help the time waste? It's not that impactful of a buff because it would only come into play in games that were already decided.
And being able to mori survivors after only 2 people are dead instead of 3 would actually be super healthy for the game. Because at that point, you could choose to mori the 3rd survivor instead of slugging for the 4k and feel like you got your "finisher mori" and won.
I still think a lot of people slug for the 4k because they experience a 3k + hatch as a loss or not a "real win". Something should be done about that.
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There definitely needs to be some kind of catchup mechanic or streamlined “die to give other guy chance at hatch” mechanic for when there’s only 2 survivors left. The Mori itself isn’t really an issue though. Killers have slugged for the 4k without it when there simply wasn’t a hook in close proximity and they didn’t want to let the survivor wiggle. If anything the free Mori speeds those situations along.
Being bled out for 4 minutes is much more of an issue than being bled out for like 140 seconds if your teammate isn’t killing themselves on hook. And they often do when there’s only two of you.
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Killers have literally always slugged for 4ks. Always. The Finisher Mori doesn't change that.
Nobody owes you hatch or an escape. Finisher Mori isn't an issue the way generator rush perks aren't an issue or the exit gates aren't an issue. It's part of the game. If you don't like that, you don't need to play, but don't ruin it for everyone else.0 -
I feel the mori itself is fine - Perhaps just letting the killer mori one person when there are two survivors left with one hook state would be a better option.
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Um... I didn't say anyone owes anyone else a hatch or gate escape or that slugging for 4k wasn't an issue before.
Also, I'm not seeing any lucid arguments about why it's not an issue in light of the things that have been mentioned. Do you have some reasons why you think this?
Since I'm asking that, I'll go ahead and write my thinking again for reference: The finisher mori fills a role that's very similar to teabagging at the gate. But unlike the case of teabagging, the survivor is forced to watch their opponent show off. And it encourages slugging for the 4k, which is a very unsportsmanlike behavior. It also gives the killer a basekit ability to deny survivor perk abilities at the endgame and forces the target to watch the victory animation instead. Sounds pretty negative to me. My personal experience is also that the finisher mori is making the presence of moris more annoying in general.
Also, why are you mentioning that the gates aren't an issue? Of course they're not. Do you mean teabagging at the gate? That really is a sportsmanship issue that I think should be addressed.
Saying the finisher mori is just part of the game is a little disingenuous since it wasn't part of the game until very recently. Such a statement ignores that the change could be having a negative impact.
You also indicated that you advocated for it very strongly. But a large section of the community did not want to revisit the finisher mori. In any case, we're all free to express what we think makes the game better or worse. Others are free to advocate for the removal of this feature if we find it to be extremely toxic. And you're free to express your opinion, but maybe let's not go around telling each other not to play the game.
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sorry but there no risk tbagging at the exit gate the survivor tbagging so close to end of the exit gate you down them they escape.
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i sometime feel that the end goal for some people survivor/killer they want people to quit the game.
same with dcing I feel both sides try get someone to dc.
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People just enjoy holding others hostage, the mori is just an excuse to justify it. Removing it will change nothing because power trippers gonna power trip
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This is true but nobody wants to admit it.
And also hey smurf, I'm sure if you search you'll notice a LARGE amount of posts asking for Moris to be more useful, keeping the Iri Mori, and allowing the basekit Mori to exist as a finisher. Besides, the Devs wanted this forever. They have been trying to put this in the game forever.
Like it or not it's not going anywhere no matter how many people complain, because not only did several people want this, the DEVS want this.
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I heard you the first time you said people wanted it. And some people definitely did want it. Some people definitely didn't. We've established this.
But I still don't see any argument for why it's not having a negative impact on the game. It's worth discussing and not just writing it off by vaguely saying 'people want this'.
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Smurf, stop pinging me, I know I can't convince you and you won't convince me. I don't want to argue. I stopped quoting you for a reason, because I do not want to argue.
This change won't get reverted because this is what the Devs want for the game, regardless of what the players want. They always intended to have this. It's not going away, I'm sorry.
Now kindly stop quoting me. I don't want to have to ask again, please.
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You're probably playing against killers who think Mori is far superior to hanging on a hook. But this could also be a strategy. For example, for Try-Hard killers who do not risk attempting escape. I think it would be more logical to do mori instead of basekit umbre while there are only 2 people left (one is on the hook but has already moved on to the second phase, otherwise there would be no attempt chance for the one on the hook, and the other is the survivor on the ground). Otherwise, which 300 IQ player would slug the man in front of him, knowing that he would stand up?
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I'll gladly stop quoting you so you stop getting pings SidneysBane; no need for hostilities. Maybe we'll cross paths later in threads where we'll agree more :D
I do disagree about what you said in that last message, but I'll refrain from more talking points so we can stop this debate in a friendly way. Enjoy your games!
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Not every.
When killer decides to mori me when I play as survivor I don't cry and write -rep on their profile afterwards. I just follow my own advice.
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