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Killer mains who play a variety of Killers... I need your opinion
I'll keep this as short and to the point as possible but it's going to be a bit of a read, but I'm basically looking to play through all the killers, and not moving on until I get a certain number of wins. I'm considering minumal 3K a win. Not wins in a row as a streak. Just play until I hit that number.The point being, I have 4K hours in the game, but play a ton of survivor. I do play killer but not consistently, I move from killer to killer, so I don't really have time to really learn to play those with more complex abilities well, and I surely don't know what most of their add-on do.
Obviously some of the more popular ones, but 90% across the board, I have no idea if you were to name me one. But I'm not looking to master each killer, that takes a lot of time, I just want to play each killer to the point where, when I move onto the next one, I have a solid grasp on how to use their powers, will have had enough games in to really see what their addons do, have a good idea what builds work best on them, even maybe finding good uses for weak or bad perks paired with certain powers and/or addons.
That being said, this will also force me to learn more killer perks as well. I know what about half of them do if they're meta perks. Plus I'm going to start with doing each killers adept, so if they have weak/useless perks, I'll also have that as a means to at least use those perks a few times (unless I get it in one match).
Here's what I really need help with. Getting a certain number of wins per killer to walk away with a decent understanding of their power/addons isn't the same for each. We'll call it an intermediate proficiency I guess. But If 30 wins is good for Trapper, it's not enough for The Nurse. Or if it is enough for The Nurse, then it's overkill for Trapper. So for a starting point, figuring out how many wins per killer is redundant so I broke the killers into 3 basic categories: Simple, Intermediate, and Advanced.
For shits and gigs (also knowing I was going to come here to ask anyway) I first went to chat.gpt (I mean, it scans forums including this one for answers and I'm sure people have talked about this kind of thing before) to get it's opinion. This is how it broke it down. The list may or may not be good info, but it at least gives us numbers to work off.
- Simple Killers (e.g., Trapper, Wraith, Hillbilly):
- 10-15 winsThese killers have straightforward powers and mechanics. By 10-15 wins, you'll likely have a solid understanding of their abilities, perks, and add-ons.
- Intermediate Killers (e.g., Huntress, Doctor, Deathslinger):
- 15-20 winsThese killers require more nuanced aiming, timing, or map awareness to use effectively. Reaching 15-20 wins should give you a good grasp of how to apply their powers in most situations.
- Advanced Killers (e.g., Nurse, Spirit, Blight):
- 25-30 winsThese killers have high skill ceilings and require significant practice to use effectively. Expect to take longer to achieve moderate proficiency.
So my question to you all is, how do you feel about these numbers per skill category? Would playing the killer until I reach this range of wins get me this intermediate/proficient understanding of the killer? These numbers seem a bit low to me personally. Respectively I was thinking 20-25, 25-35, and 40-50, but I really don't know.
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You could safely lump the M1 killers into a lower win count. There's not a ton that separates them mechanically. There's no reason someone who plays Pig wouldn't be able to pick up Legion or Freddy and do well. There will obviously be some things that separate them. Ghostface is a lot more complicated at a higher level than Freddy, for instance. And the counterplay isn't going to vary that much between MMR brackets, but the execution of the counterplay by the survivors will.
Definitely give yourself some more time for the ranged/projectile killers. This is where you'll really start to notice a difference in the survivors between win #5 and win #30.
30ish is good for the more advanced killers. I would lump Hillbilly in here too. Nurse will probably be the strangest one, because you'll start off rough, start to win (this is where most people stop and say Nurse is easy), and then run into survivors who show you what you don't know yet. It may take more than 30 games for that to happen.
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Ok, good note. This kind of gives me a better idea of what range I want to do. I did want to take into an account that with some of these killers, they're essentially M1 killers, but with a different twist, so the ones I start with, a lot of that will carry over. This helped, thanks!
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Ill say that putting a lot of time into a weak m1 killer will really up your success rate for almost all other killers. This is because they almost entirely rely on mastering mindgames and loops since they cant depend on any strong powers. If you're a beast at a lowly m1 killer, you'll be a force at a higher tier killer.
I got accused of being a high tier streamer when playing anonymously as an m1 killer not top long ago because they didn't expect an m1 killer to have strong plays.
My point is, don't rush passed all the m1 killers too fast, you'd be surprised how much being forced to focus on mindgames and loops will increase the quality of your matches.
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That's a good point. I was going to go in somewhat of a random order, just based on what killer I was in the mood to do next (Nurse and Blight would have still been later picks tho LOL) but I'll make a point to pick from the weaker killer pool in the beginning. That way later on, with killers with higher ceiling skill requirements, I won't have to focus so much on the basic mindgame/looping stuff.
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"Wins" don't matter as much it's more about how much did you use the Power VS. How much didn't you use the Power
Like Nurse VS. Freddie... you'll learn more based on how much you used their Power VS. not using their Power
Or not using the Killers Power at all in a 4K but getting a 0K while using their Power
There is a difference
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This right here. Im a nurse (1k hours), Freddy(400 hours) and huntress(2k hours) main I also only play perkless not to flex but to make sure all I can rely on is the killers power and my skill.
Freddy for me is my M1 back to the basics killer he forces you to learn mind games and run loops to a perfection to win consistently. Once you master a weak M1 killer (I would chose ghost face, Freddy, or base kit Myers) you'll be able to consistently win with most M1 regardless of power. Id say 15-30 matches to have a solid foundation on most M1 affairs.
Nurse is a bit of a misleading killer, as starting out she's as easier and youll win most after the initial couple of loses, but as you rack up wins you get better and better survivors it'll take about 30-50 wins to hit a decent mmr with her where your wins will start to thin out but then you'll hit a point after that where you'll go back to winning unless you make too many mistakes or the survivors are just better. How you perform with her power will vary some pick her up easy and it's quick while others never really get her power down fully. With nurse it isn't about the wins as much as it's about acquiring the muscle memory for her blinks once you learn that you'll having everything you need. I would advise against plaid flannel though just a personal hatred really.
Huntress is a killer that wins literally do not matter at all with her. Your goal with her is to hit as many hatchets in a match as possible and the better you get with that the more wins you get by default. Never stop throwing hatchets try to M1 as little as possible. Huntress may be an intermediate killer but her skill ceiling is almost limitless, with all the trick shots you can learn for each map on top of mastering orbtials, as double taps and even triple taps she's a beast. I would say anywhere from 30-40 matches would get you there.
As for the rest of the roster I feel like personally learning billy and his collisions will help with blight a bit, learning trapper will help with hag, learning huntress will help with slinger as far as center of screen goes slinger has a significantly smaller hitbox though. Learning demo shreds will help with wesky. Learning nemmy will help with xeno. Plague is in her own league just use your learned M1 skills and puke on everything, strategize your corruption. Pin head skully and unknown Chucky I'm sorry I have no help. Drac, hound master, pyramid head, spirit, and dredge all have unique abilities that you'll have to spend a bit of time with. Id say around 25 with upwards of 50 for some of these killers would suffice if your just wanting to be proficient.
I'm sure I've missed plenty of killers haven't had my coffee yet but this is all I got lol.
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I think the difficulty of the "hard" killers is relative. Nurse and Spirit are easy as long as the survivor is a potato and just holds forward. You will only get good with these killers if you get survivors that know how to counter them.
Also, I would put Billy on the advanced category. He is really hard.
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I will try to keep this in mind. Quality of wins matter. Like if I play doctor or legion and get 3-4 DCs I may not even count it. But I'm not trying to M1 as a crutch.
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Post edited by akaTheBARON on0
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Thank you for this, it's a big help :)
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Thanks for the positive comment š š š
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For me going in Perkless does help in discovering what you need to improve on and what sort of add-ons you'll use and the perks to help you play... but getting the basics down first is a must
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Honestly you won't learn by "winning" as much as using the Killers power
If you get a 4K with Nurse it hits different then Oni or Pig
I main Pig so I have developed a mindset that makes her a harder Killer to learn then most but that's just me
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