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Thanks for the 110% killers
Back to legion since the devs think killers aren't suppose to have fun then I might as well make survivors have a miserable time.
It's not like you'll be able to not punish ppl DCing against legion once the punishments through dedicated servers kick in since the system most likely cannot tell what survivors are DCing against so the punishments that are coming are gonna be a huge bonus.
And yeah, I count the plague as a 110% killer since you cannot down survivors with M1 and no power unless they play like total idiots.
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Weak bait.
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I hope you realize most the best killers in the game aside from Billy are all 110% movement killers. Generally a killer getting normal move speed is a death sentence in that they're very unlikely to be a rank 1 viable killer.
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"all"
Literally just nurse, the rest isn't competitive against cheat with friends due to lack of mobility.
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My Hag is laughing in the fog.
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im curious to know what other killer mains feel about this post. is it 100% true?
also what about people that play both killer and surivor. is it 100% true?
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I hope you realize most the best killers in the game aside from Billy are all 110% movement killers. Generally a killer getting normal move speed is a death sentence in that they're very unlikely to be a rank 1 viable killer.
"all"
Literally just nurse, the rest isn't competitive against cheat with friends due to lack of mobility.
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You mean the same killer mains that claim that even trapper is perfectly viable? LUL
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i edited my post.
but i mean why you think other killers are not viable against swf when a lot are. i would like to see your gameplay?
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It's a proven fact that is shown by the depip squad. Yes only like 1% of survivors play like them but the depip squad still showed that fundamentally you cannot beat survivors who absolutely purely play sweaty. The new ranking system also shows this because the devs are trying to force interaction with killers through points.
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if only 1% of survivosr play like this then what is the prob if most matches dont go like that? hahaha
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I dont know if you know who SonicFox is but he is well known in the fighting game community because he is the best player in the world and a lot of characters have been nerfed thanks to how he plays them. If he can play like that then everyone else can, that's the reason why every game should be balanced around high competitive gameplay and not just fun.
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i play mortal kombat and i know sonicfox. not everyone can play like sonicfox. its not even close. why do you think he the best in the world.
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Does it matter? For anybody with any sense of balance the bias is clear as day.
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in mortal kombat, yes hes a god. if he was not, he would be dethroned mayn times over.
and its the same in dbd as lowskill as thisgame can be there still are better players than others. a LOT better.
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thats RIGHT. it DOESNT matter. sometimes you get a sweaty group and MOST times your survivors are rotten potatoes.
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I dont think you get the point here...
If you have the tools to bury any killer but you dont, that's your problem, because you have the tools but you dont use them. That doesnt mean the game is balanced, it just means the game is full of newbies. The tools are meant to be balanced, not the players, you cant balance around how people play, that's stupid, you have to balance the game around the tools that are provided.
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It isn't just SWF, that's just the worst of it. This also applies to competent rank 1 survivor solo's as well.
Bar a few exceptions like nurse, ultra rares etc, if the survivors and killer both play perfectly the killer will lose every time. The reason we don't see this a lot is because most survivors are potatoes and pretty bad at the game. Aside from a couple exceptions, the killer RELIES on survivor mistakes to win.
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I like trapper, you just have to be smart with your traps, and your time.
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Ah yes you just can't accept the fact you're not as good as you think and so post complete nonsense yet again. Yes depip squad is a beast and yes they'll destroy pretty much anyone but given they're less than 0.1 % of the player base is like them your argument like always is meaningless.
When you finally accept that the issue isn't swf since a 4 man competent solo will destroy you just as easily and most swf are potatoes you'll actually do well.
At least @Caretaker is honest about it and doesn't try and fling a bunch of cow patties around and pretend it's cake.
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ok well you brought up mortal kombat so i thought u would know about tier lists in this game or any other fighting game. you pickt he ones that are good if you wantt to be competitive and if you want to ######### around you pick the lowtier. the thing with those game s is that you dont have moris or addons or sillly rng. every fighting game i know have bad characters you DO NOT CHOOSE if you want to win unless youre godly.
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shouldnt the exception be the top tier best killer to use against the good players? along w moris and addons? there should be a rank for top killer players because i want to see what the REAL numbers are.
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Flinging around no arguments I see, survivors escaping with at least 2 ppl is parth of undeniable math unless they are absolute potatoes that get downed in less than 20 seconds each. That's just a fact. Also being 0,1% of the top player in a game where you run around obstacles. CLAP.
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So we're stuck with Billy and Nurse forever. Imagine if for example League of Legends just stuck to a single meta forever like this.
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spirit is very good and so is hag and huntress. and others if you want to play your moris and addons.
and if you bring up LOL then also say that they have 50-60 million playerbase per month too
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What does having a playerbase have to do with not having the balls to change up the meta.
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because they have the money to do ######### and better stats to see how to fix. i thought that was obvious. its like comparing Germany to Greece. but different too because if youre bringing up LOL then also say how much of a different types of game it is.
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You don't need money to balance your ######### game, what the heck are you talking about. Twisting a few numbers is done by employees who are sitting at the office anyways.
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ok, you're a developer now that know show the business works?
i was going to say something but i change my mind it might be name and shame. BUT im beginnin to think youre not as good as you think you are or you have tweisted way of thinking about a fun game and a competitive game.
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Nurse, Spirit, Huntress.
Some would say hag but I disagree with that one.
Either way Nurse, Billy, Spirit and Huntress are the top tiers. Thus only Billy is a 115% top tier.
Also no matter how much the OP likes to pretend otherwise Plague isn't a 110% Killer. You don't keep your ability charged the entire game, you just charge it when you specifically need it like any other power.
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Her being 115 doesn't really make her any stronger. You can literally turn off her power, then she's just a normal m1 killer. If that was so scary, Trapper wouldn't be low-tier. Neither would Doc or any other 115 M1 killers. A power should be strong, and you should want to use it. With Plague you get punished for it despite it being how you're pushed to play her. That doesn't make sense to me.
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I find it's actually better to just hit them like normal at most loops. Only want to go for puking>Broken if it's in a spot where you can definitely get them. It's like Billy, where you don't want to try and chainsaw at loops you just go for the normal hit. Only when they mess up you try to puke on them. Of course you should always try to hit them with puke just a little bit to get them sick, but most of the time I have just been hitting them like any other killer.
Also most of the top tier killers are slow killers. Nurse, Spirit, Hag, Huntress.
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What's wrong with Trapper? I feel like he is a decent killer with the right add ons.
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I checked, tested, and can 110% verify, the Plague is able to down survivors with M1.
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Are you saying Legion will be top tier ??!
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I play both side but when doing the killing I tend to stay far away from 110 killers. They just tend to feel less enjoyable for me.
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A pathetic attempt at bait.
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Standard fair really.
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Her power can still be used to one-down people if you get them in an open area and if people cleanse, you have an ability that can hit through people and get them from further away. I don't know why anyone thinks the Plague is weak.
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I'm glad it's not bugged and sometimes doesn't hit. I'm glad it's super easy to aim and doesn't curve making it impossible to hit around corners. I'm glad it goes through walls. I'm glad it doesn't slow you down extending the loops and making it impossible to hit. Also, "If you get them in an open area." So, something any killer can do, except more efficiently? I don't know why anyone thinks she's strong, but I will assume you're the kinda champion that runs in a straight line and wonders why you broke so fast.
Also implying broken stops loops or pallets. Amazing
If people cleanse. Yup, I love my power being in survivors hands and fully healing them. Thanks BHVR, very cool. She's been out for what, about a a week and people are already hard countering her with baseline mechanics in the game? What a stellar killer.
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@MhhBurgers TheEntityLeftHand go check him out if you still play Trapper incorrectly.
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You can hit over objects, which is something Huntress can't do, because of the curve. Isn't this an issue of people not wanting to learn a new killer? If you get a survivor while they're out positioned, you can spray them with your vomit and then one down them. That's something only a few killers can do since when you hit the survivor, they typically get a speed boost and can run towards a safer area. I haven't had troubles with her personally, but the people I'm facing aren't really the best since I'm stuck in higher ranks thanks to the new ranking system.
While her slow affect could be reverted for all I care, you do realize it notifies the killer of the survivor's position essentially when they cleanse, right? And once again, it gives you one of the strongest aspects of hers.
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Actually yes she can hit over objects, and do damage when she does it. Do you actually play Huntress? Have you never watched Umbra, Scott, Ralph? They literally broke the ability to throw over objects for 6 months, then nerfed her after fixing it. Thanks, BHVR! o/
Without relying on a survivor healing to obtain that power. I've been playing her since release, through 2 prestiges now. Using multiple perk and addon combos at red ranks.
That's assuming they run in a straight line. If they're not totally inept and swerve around it takes multiple pukes to down them. By then they're at a pallet, a loop, a gym, something, where it'd be more efficient to just m1 on them instead.
The entire time you are puking on them, unless they run in a straight line they will get to a safer area. You also act like maps are just wide open spaces. There's like 2 and they're full of corn/debris anyway.
I've taken her all the way down to rank 4/3 where gens pop so fast no one pips unless I play super sweaty and ignore my power unless they screw up and pick a fountain too close. It also notifies THEM when you get your power and you glow bright red. Except that's actually helpful for survivors, unlike her.
I'm pipping with her, but you're not. Yet she's a good killer? I guarantee play any other killer. One you're more familiar with, even a weaker killer. You'll pip fine.
Oh yea, a super loud DING that I can't see if I'm out of range. Yea, wow. That bright white fountain will surely have a survivor next to it, after I walk back across the map to check it. You're so smart you silly goose. Just cuz it's a minor boost in power, doesn't mean it's good. Corrupt can be completely negated by not healing, or abusing jungle gyms/loops where she just can't puke and chase. Or you can stealth, that's not hard against the bright red embodiment of death by snu snu.
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You obviously haven't seen any good Huntress mains play tbh.
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@Maximus7 @Caretaker When I'm talking about hitting over objects, I'm talking about arching it so that it hits right next to it where the Huntress usually can't. You can also spray and pray with the Plague, which you can't do with the Huntress. I thought she was fair during the PTB. If the speed reduction makes her so much harder to play, then (as I said before) I'd be up for her getting her speed back while she held it. I wasn't aware she got a speed reduction while holding her vomit (other than the initial one). I'm just not sure if it's the case of people not knowing how to play her and being quick to call her bad 'cause you're trying to play her a certain way and it isn't working. I don't think she's as weak as you guys are saying she is.
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40 hours on Plague so far. 100% the game too. She slows when charging, slows while holding, slows while puking, and has a Legion style slow after finishing. I think it's longer if they break. That speed on PTB was the only thing keeping her relatively ok, cuz she was awful on the PTB too. People wanna keep dismissing claims and say no one knows what to do, when killers aren't that hard to play. This isn't rocket science, there isn't some hidden combo move to make them good.
She's got a super bloated kit, that's full of self-counters, actual counters, and very few if any upsides. A good runner can keep you busy even if they do get sick/broken. Running a circle around debris means you cannot follow and puke, or you'll just curve around the debris and miss. You could stop and puke on them, cool. You have accomplished nothing but extending the loop, and that's about it. You could probably get an M1, maybe 2 in the time it takes you to "break" a good player.
Yea, you can flick, and you can get some cheeky hits, but again I can just do that as Huntress. Most tall walls/the way the puke works you won't hit them, in fact the way the puke flicks/is a bit delayed they can use a thin wall and completely avoid your puke. I can at least get a cheeky shot with Huntress. I can also arc over debris with the right LOS, faster shots, don't have to let survivors give me hatchets. Also reloading doesn't bloody heal the survivors to full health after 5s. God healing on fountains is so bad.
In fact that's something that really hurts her. You get 0 time gain from people healing. Why do that when they can get sick and heal in 5s instead of 30+? That loss of healing time makes already fast games even faster. Toss in lunchboxes and Prove Thyself+coordinated groups rushing gens and you'll be lucky you black pipped/got a kill at all.
Surv achieves were super easy, I'll be generous and say about 8 or so of those hours were on survivor but it's probably less. A couple games for dailies on other killers. Maybe an hour on Diddler trying to get a mori daily done. The rest? All Plague, from about 10-4 where I've been hovering around cuz of dcs, dcing from 2v1, 1v1, 3v1, etc. Games where survs dc'd so I didn't pip.
Also played her with her HORRIBLE point gains through 2 prestiges. The only redeeming thing she has is Corrupt Plague, which isn't even that amazing, you'll be lucky to get a down with it, assuming you don't lose a gen/time running to grab a fountain if you so choose to do. Assuming they don't stealth/know how to run tiles, etc. It CAN be really good, and I know some tricks with it, and it can machine gun. It's only god for about 1 down though. 1/12 hooks assuming they even healed so you can get Corrupt and aren't stuck as an M1 killer with no power, literally.
Proof of rank^. Inb4 quad iri she must be good. Nah, they made a TON of mistakes and I know how the emblems work. Every game gens have gone so fast it's unreal, and all I can do is eat pallets/unfortunately tunnel someone out of the game to try and get some pressure/time back in a lot of games. Which I don't really like doing, but new system+gens never been faster, gotta play a bit sweaty sadly.
^Proof of P2.
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The Plague's whole concept is an insult, you can just feel how they built her with countering herself in mind. This is not a good game concept, countering a killer should come through survivor gameplay not by their own ######### power and presence (32m on a m1 killer LUL)
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Surely this is a bait?
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Not really. Only two good 110 killers are Hag and Huntress. Spirit to some extent, but she really needs specific add-ons and gets bugged every other patch.
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Look at the list of viable killers, not a single 110% killer =)
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What's funny is if gen speeds are ever addressed, Hag and Huntress become viable as #########. But no, we can't add a second objective or increase gen times, that'd be too boring.
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