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I'm not excited for the next 2v8

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It just destroys the cue times and makes the game a bigger chore to play than it's worth. The game mode is fun, but I don't want to wait a whole hour for one game and wait half an hour trying to play the regular game. I don't think the mode should be touched again until they fix the cue times.

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  • Member Posts: 4,599

    Waiting a whole hour seems really extreme. Especially since survivor queues are nearly instant. I’m in NA and I am not sure what region you are in of course but my avg wait time was 12-15 minutes at most 9 at the shortest wait time. (Literally had to time it)


    I presume it’s not the same for every region which is understandable so I get it. I might just be lucky

  • Member Posts: 416

    Queue times are supposed to be reduced due to bot fills as well which is a double edged sword to say the least… I'm half and half on it, hoping that legion isn't too oppressive. Amongst other things :/

  • Member Posts: 416
    edited January 31

    I agree, as a killer player I don't want to play against bots. Kind of ruins most of the fun IMO. I'm sure there's a lot that goes into why queue times are/have been the way they are… I feel like there are enough players but then 2v8 rolls around. Some people wait hours for lobbies on dead games so I guess it could be worse… I didn't even get to try the first rendition of 2v8 because I always got impatient and alt+f4'd before I could find a game. The 2nd time it came around I was actually finding games so clearly whatever they'd done before proposing bot filling was working to a certain degree. Bots are unnecessary and will just harm the queue times even more. Even if killers get a lobby full of bots, most are not going to stick around for that. I don't stick around for a bot lobby on 1v4. That will in turn lead to upset killers, if both sides are unhappy it's pretty obvious they should choose a different approach.

  • Member Posts: 1,222

    Double tap mode should not return period.

  • Member Posts: 2,146

    chase is the most fun part of dbd, therefore being double tapped is twice as fun as regular dbd!

  • Member Posts: 1,437

    I'm not a knight, I'm just a crossmap-huntress in 2vs8, which is arguably even worse regarded to double taps. Sometimes I helped my girlfriend in her chase from the other side of the map and we double tapped them accidently, was a lot of fun xD

  • Member Posts: 1,499
    edited January 31

    I'm sorry but I genuinely just don't much like 2v8. Either side.

    It's boring as Survivor, with all the same woes of 1v4 for me as Surv.

    It's kinda mid to me as Killer because all you do is wait 30+ minutes for a 5 minute game, and if you didn't bring the right combo of classes and Killers you pretty much just lose if the team has any sort of coordination or even remotely tries.

    It just… has very little value to me. Very little. I tried so hard to enjoy it both times, and I just… I can't. I just can't. It's just not fun to me. They're apparently supposed to add a Killer I actually play, and I still have no interest in playing because I just… they don't do anything new and it's still the same DBD but more and faster. The game is built for 1v4, period. This mode needs to be a spinoff.

    I'd rather see an improved Chaos Shuffle or any other new mode TBH.

  • Member Posts: 16

    Im in NA too, and I've had a couple 2v8 matches where I've waited an hour. It was crazy.

  • Member Posts: 963

    A full PVE 2 killers vs survivor bots mode is a strange idea but I think it would be good as an option to help with queue times.

  • Member Posts: 4,599

    That’s why wild. The most I’ve waited to play killer was literally 15 tops

  • Member Posts: 127

    If they really wanted more people to play Survivor during the event, why not build the event tome around that? They could make a bunch more challenges for Survivor than Killer, and that'll help with the queue times at least a little bit.

    But yeah, I'm just going to wait out the event. I don't want to hang around for 15 minutes as Killer to get a game in either queue.

  • Member Posts: 236

    2v8 is just garbage, itll be even worse with bots to fill in, its hilarious honestly. Just another time to do the bare minimum tome and not play the game.

  • Member Posts: 495

    “I wish they would drop 2v8 even tho I know ppl love it so much but it ruins the game as a whole imo.”

    I wish they would drop chaos shuffle

  • Member Posts: 359

    Played 4 games the last time and that was 3 too many.

    Won't touch dbd whilst 2v8 is active as queue times are ridiculous and with good survivors the game is over far too quickly. Definitely not worth the wait to play.

  • Member Posts: 2,573

    Bots? No thanks

    Gonna play only to get the rewards, if there is any

  • Member Posts: 8,355

    I spectated a bot after I died during one of the regular 1v4 matches I played before the anniversary event started up. I had died and when I went in to spectate the bot was in the middle of trying to walk up a hill the wrong way on Mother's Dwelling. No idea how long it had been doing that for but I spectated it for over 2 minutes doing it.

    For longer than a minute it was just walking into the hill with a gen but it was trying to walk up on the side that looks like a ramp but isn't. Then every like 15-20 seconds it started to turn around, run a couple feet away from the hill, then turn back and start walking into the hill at the fake ramp again. Did this for another minute until someone was downed/hooked. I'm guessing the person that was being chased was close enough for the bot to sense killer was near but far enough that there was no terror radius sound, so the bot would go to run away from killer then realize killer wasn't there and go back to the hill. I stopped watching once it went to go for the rescue.

    During 2v8 the bots were absolutely useless because of 2 killers terror radius, they just run around aimlessly. They are terrible for getting heals because they just miss skill checks drawing the killers over. If you don't let them heal you or you don't heal them they just stay glued to your side teabagging. I was healthy opening a chest in 2v8 and the healthy bot just stayed squatted next to me, when I hopped on a nearby gen is when the bot ran away. They will head straight for someone in a cage or teabag at you when you're injured to let them heal you but if a person is slugged the bot will leave them there. The moment the gens are done the bot won't do anything to help other players and instead just leaves, they will even run by a person in a cage to run out the exit rather than stop for a second to get them out.

    You're right that the need to add bots to one side should be a clear indicator that something should be done to attract players to that side. The most obvious issue with 2v8 attracting more killers is the devs give the killer side more new things in each iteration when the killer gameplay itself is different enough to attract players on its own. First time both sides had new things to try but the overall gameplay of having a teammate as killer attracted more to the killer side. Second iteration killer side received new classes and new killers while survivors had the same classes slightly tweaked with only the abilities being new but only one ability actually did anything to change up gameplay in any interesting way. Next iteration killers are again getting new killers, I doubt the survivors will get even an equivalent amount of new classes/abilities. The side that's hurting for players is the side that should be given more new stuff but the devs instead just fill that side with bots and continue to give the side not hurting for players more new stuff.

    If they want to fill lobbies with bots they should allow customs to do the various game modes and allow people to earn challenges, BP, XP, etc. there, just turn off grades. That way if people are fine playing with/against bots from the start of a match they can play customs, then bots can remain only as a DC fill outside of custom - give players a choice in how they play with bots instead of forcing it in them.

  • Member Posts: 954

    2v8 is basically “give survivors everything they want” mode. If it’s just a repeat of last time without adjustments, no thanks.

  • Member Posts: 6,912

    oh you know BHVR won’t listen to the community, we told them that bots weren’t the solution yet they ignored us and are gonna implement them in 2v8 anyways. But here’s some new store cosmetics that we know you’re gonna buy so we’re gonna prioritize that rather than fixing the game!!!!! People need to wake up and see that our voices don’t matter.

  • Member Posts: 3,606

    I rather see them do what other games do, you can't choose role only preference. But anyway last time my queques were instant in 1vs4 and around 5 minutes in 2vs8 in the last week so I think solving is not that difficult. Most killers switch back to playing survivor too once the novelty wears off. Problem is the less populated regions that don't have many players in the beginning.

  • Member Posts: 231

    You know funny thing I never played killer on the 2v8 because I can't wait 100 years for a match as killer. I tried survivor a few times but that is about it. Definitely not worth the time to waste and wait until you get a match because everyone wants to be killer. This gamemode just does not work well honestly.

  • Member Posts: 4,599

    This game mode is very successful which is why they keep bringing it back. I am glad they do. As I mentioned - the most I have ever waited was 15 minutes in a queue to be killer. If you have a friend to do it with, its definitely worth it.

  • Member Posts: 231

    Probably but I guess I will pass again. I just don't have the patience to wait for that. If they just keep the gamemode I would try it because then people would actually stop playing only that after a bit .

  • Member Posts: 1,353
    edited February 5

    I might be one of the few people that actually doesn't mind if they add a few bots to this mode to make up the numbers (so long as we never get put into majority bot lobbies). I think as a casual quick hit of DBD it works really well and bots would be OK it they dramatically bring queue times down. The queues being so long for Killer completely defeats the point of the mode for me. I'm not queuing up for a game that might last less time than I spent sitting in the queue.

    I'm more of a Survivor main anyway, so I don't have too much of an issue if I only get to play the Survivor side again. But I didn't enjoy the double team Killer strategy last time around and the mode felt a lot sweatier overall. If it's like that again, I might not play as much. It's also a bit of a downer that all my least favourite Killers are being added to the mode as a priority (first it was Spirit and Blight and now we have Nemi and Wesker too. Ugh).

  • Member Posts: 227

    This wouldnt work since Killers want some actual players if this PVE idea of your was reversed survs would not play it. Furthermore its understandable why they went the bot route making it 2v6 to help find lobbies faster wouldnt have worked also even when Devs gave Surv side massive buffs new role ults and a surv sided comeback mechanic yall still werent happy and didnt help queue times.

    Worst case scenario its either take the bot fills or devs will be forced to merge 1v4 and 2v8 queues (basically when you choose surv or kill and ready up itll put you in a 1v4 or 2v8 lobby by matchmaking)

  • Member Posts: 17,312
    edited February 5

    Yeah, the power fantasy can only be fulfilled if actual players get crushed. The thing is, unless they do massive improvements on the Survivor Sidee, there will not really be any way that the queue times will be short. I mean, unless you add Bots, but I would say that at this point it would already turn into some quasi-PvE. It would be nice if I am proven wrong, but I would guess that you might end up with at least 4 Bots per Team, at least this is my suspicion when I looked at my own queue times in 2v8 as Killer.

    The thing about the mechanics they introduced in the last version of 2v8 is just that they did not really change much for Survivors. Adding the possibility to do Flashlight Saves again was nice, since it gave Survivors more to do than just pressing more M1. The comeback mechanic is also such a thing, because it did not only include for Survivors, Killers also had Slowdown the more Gens were done.

    The main issue with 2v8 is just three things:

    • Pressing M1 is boring and Survivors have to do more of that in 2v8
    • Getting double-teamed is not fun since it removes any chance you might have - I found it very frustrating to run a Killer around and then the other person arrived and negates any form of Skill Expression you can have on both sides
    • If you are not in a full or at least big SWF, you have to rely on more factors, which can make you lose as Survivor. I reached second stage while 7 (!!!) people were in this game who could have unhooked me.

    Bots will probably drive more players away from playing Survivor than anything else, since Bots are just horrible. And I highly doubt that they will merge 1v4 and 2v8, the reality is if Bot Fills will not work and the Devs are not willing to make 2v8 more enjoyable for Survivor, the mode is gone for good. They will not merge the queues, because this would mean that players who dont like 2v8 would either do massive amount of lobbdy-dodging if they end up in a 2v8-lobby or just not play at all.

    Personally, I will play the bare minimum of this mode again. It is not fun on either side for me, as Survivor I dont want to deal with more headless chickens running around while double-teamed and as Killer I think that there is no challenge at all. All games aside from one (where I got sandbagged by the other Killer) were at least a 7K for me. And since I dont have such a win ratio in 1v4, it has to be that the mode is very killer-sided to the point that the challenge is removed.

  • Member Posts: 17,312

    The first time I spectated a Bot for a long time, the Bot decided to run between 3 spots the whole time. The Killer was not near (at least no TR, but maybe the detection range of the Bot was bigger than the TR… I think the Killer was a Spirit, but not sure about that), but the Bot still moved between a Gen and two random Spots nearby the whole time instead of just sticking to a Gen. This is what I mean when I say that a Bot only helps the Killer - said Bot did 0 progression, but provided Regression when found (for e.g. PGTW).

    I also really dislike their behavior when healing. When they hear the TR, they just run away, even if the Survivor they healed is on 99% healing progress. I also had a Bot once teabagging me while I was doing the last Gen because it wanted to heal me (I had Adrenaline) and the Bot was failing Skill Checks because it was standing up the whole time because it wanted to heal me (granted, this was shortly after they were introduced, I dont think they do this anymore).

    And their behavior when it comes to Endgame or the last Survivors is also pretty bad. When they get hooked with 2 Survivors remaining, they will stay on the Hook for the full 140 seconds. IMO Bots should be programmed to Hook Suicide at this point (or maybe if more than 1 Gen is left or something like that…). And when Exit Gates are open, they just leave, but they should be programmed to sacrifice themselve for other Survivors.

    Those are all things that need some serious improvements. Because currently the Bots just make it easier for the Killer to win, but it should be the complete opposite - a Bot should make it harder for the Killer to win than a 3v1.

    When it comes to 2v8, I agree, the Survivor experience needs to be better. I dont know how they want to achieve it, but the problem is that it is less interesting to play 2v8 compared to 1v4, while also being the potential of being more frustrating (getting double-teamed, more teammate RNG, basically exactly the same gameplay as 1v4).

    When it comes to custom games, I hope that they go crazy with it in the future. They should really make it possible that custom games can be more customized so that friends can play the game different from the regular gamemode.

  • Member Posts: 3,250

    So, making it like Friday the 13th?

    Hmm. That could work.

    Although I don't know if players would be happy with only a random chance of being a killer.

  • Member Posts: 535

    I'll keep my reservations about 2v8 bots until I've played with them, however, the bot replacements on 1v4 are a mess more often than not.

  • Member Posts: 2,063

    This.

    I loved 2v8 in both the first two iterations. By far one of the best things BHVR has ever done imo, and I played it nearly every day it was up both times. I have no intention of playing this time if the options are either find an 8-stack or play with bots. What a slap in the face to solo queue survivors.

    This should be funny, but it's so accurate that it's actually just frustrating.

  • Member Posts: 3,606

    Also killer clowns game does it and seems to be working. But for now devs should first try different solutions but not bots. I actually would like to see the mode stay longer first as my queques on killer became faster and faster in last days so the novelty eventually wears off and many return to play back to survivor.

  • Member Posts: 227
    edited February 6

    Its confirmed it will have a max of Two Bots it's can still have 2v8 but after a certain amount of time it will bot fill. Personally I want for survivor Boons, flashbangs and Void bombs in 2v8.

    Devs can't really do anything for double teaming maybe rework the abilities that encourage grouping buts that's it.

    Maybe they can change the mini games on Gens but but major gameplay changes may not work.

    Finally there's no mmr so your teammates and mine are a bunch of newbies with the same skill as bots so there's not much that can be down like adding mmr.

    Last 2v8 Survs had a way better chance of surviving and escaping. Maybe with the introduction to bots in 2v8 they can introduce better bots and more major buffs to survivors

  • Member Posts: 3,250

    The game died because it was stuck in legal hell for half of it's life cycle.

  • Member Posts: 227

    No amount of content was going to save that game and the amount of bugs and exploits they never fixed either

  • Member Posts: 1,907

    Ug. I loved the first 2v8. Best time I've ever had in DBD, playing both sides. The second version was worse, especially on the killer side, but I still mostly had a good time. I'm a little worried about what the next one will be like.

    I still prefer to have a special game mode vs normal DBD, though.

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