I feel like they should remove Deep Wound from them in this mode, as the injuries and information are excellent already.

They would still have to stab everyone to get the downing hit, but they could get some additional buffs as compensation.

Also, the Legion should be able to play with other Legion members.

it's just 6 seconds...

I'm wondering how the legion can hit without interacting with the survivor? Your argument indirectly applies to the plague, but not to the legion

Legion in this mode can be a little annoying, but they are just as weak as in the normal mode. They can be sometimes be favored by the chaos of survivors not knowing where all the others are and grouping up by accident, but that same chaos might also bite them in the arse when they start a feral frenzy only to notice there are only TWO survivors near. What survivors complaining forget is that, besides more survivors to hit, this game mode also has HUGE maps, and survivors have a sprint burst effect they share among each other. So Legion often spends a lot of time to get to survivors while on a frenzy, and when they finally get to the survivors, they can just sprint burst away and waste even more time from the power's duration, potentially making the Legion lose chain hits. The maps are also full of pallets that can be repaired by scouts, and every time a frenzying Legion catches up to a survivor on a pallet, they may want to wait for the survivor to drop the pallet first in order to not get stunned after the hit, which can also waste one or two seconds. These stuff combined allow survivors to deny chain hits from the Legion, without which they are just a basic M1 killer. The only 2v8 map where Legion consistently thrives is Dead Dawg Saloon, all the others are a coin flip on wheter or not the Legion will have many oportunities to apply a lot of pressure. Even Trapper can get value in this mode more consistently than Legion.

"B-but… but.. they can easily injure people and that is very dangerous in this mode!"

That's very dangerous specifically when the Legion is paired up with a, overwhelming chase killer like Nurse or Blight, but solo Legions don't get to choose their teammates, and besides these limited match-up situations, getting healed in this mode is EASIER than in a normal game. There are so many people around to heal you, a class that heals faster and instantly delivers an area healing, chests that can contain med-kits, tunneling people off cages happens less frequently than off hooks (giving you time to heal), and now there are even herbs that heal you faster than med-kits too. Frequently a Legion starts a Feral Frenzy and, by the time they are over, many of the injured survivors have already mended and some are even already healed!

So that's how you counter Legion in this mode, spread across the map, waste their time while the power is active, deny chain hits and heal quickly when they are away. And that is besides all the other ways of countering Legion in the normal mode, which also apply. Not that big of a deal when you do it right.

Plague has an actual skill aspect implemented into her power, Legion is literally just run around and slash, 0 skill floor, 0 skill ceiling. Basically nothing but an M1 killer that just has killer instinct in their power and is just meant to be annoying compared to Plague that actually has strategic counterplay and strategic gameplay from her side.

Those two are literally incomparable

Big map and Legion. Two things that shouldn't work well together but here we are.

How to counter Legion's "free hit"? ######### run! Don't sit on a gen while in heartbeat. Run away from everyone else. If Legion chases you, you want them to be as far away from others when you get hit.

My friend loves Legion, and we only had one team that scattered like roaches whenever she came close. That match she could barely get any chain hits. But please, keep complaining.

the plague literally just spits on the generator and now anyone who touches it will spread the disease and expose everyone to an uncurable status, while the plague itself can be on the other end of the map, at this time the legion must run to you, must outsmart you in the pallet mind game and still there is a huge chance that the survivor will simply drop the pallet after the hit and stun him

the Plague at least interacts with survivors and survivors interacts woth her, has a kinda low skill floor and significantly high skill ceiling + her power is not just about vomiting on gens and making survs perma broken.

And let's not try to present some basics of M1 chases on pallets against a killer that won't really do much no matter if you stun or not stun them as something power related that actually requires some skill. Legion has 0 skill aspect in their power. It's just hit n' run slasher power.

With all this, the plague has a red liquid that gives power while the legion is just M1, it looks like you're making it absurd like "Trapper is OP and he has no counter game" or you're really that bad at understanding killers

where did i try to present Legion as broken killer or anything similar to that? They are literally one of the easiest killers to vs. and so one of the worst killers in the game, they are just a massive skillless snoozefest to vs., and in my opinion even to play as.

You can't control the other 3 people when you are in a normal match either, so there is still no extra hardship for facing Legion in 2v8 in comparison to facing them in a normal game. Consequences for bad team play are an integral part of survivor gameplay.

Also, no, it's not even CLOSE to the same as saying don't play Legion. One is telling someone not to play the character they want to play, the other one is pointing out there is counterplay. You see? Big difference. People should learn to counterplay a killer before asking for a "fix" on a weak killer that works basically the same in one mode as they do in the other.

I do know how to play against Legion. I still hate them because it’s boring AF.

It is, you're Apathic that's all there is to it lol

All the Wraith players moved to Legion after Wraith got the nobrainer uncloaking speed bug fixed.

This guy nails it. Legion by themselves isn't all that bad. But adding another strong killer to a game where everyone is pretty much permanently injured or no gens getting done breaks it. Everything else was incredible. Sans the legion they did great with this mode. But I've moved to other games because this got old real fast. Hopefully next run of it is without them or plague

The bar is just set really low these days, for what survivors need to do to win. So when a killer like Legion comes along who takes a mere semblance of strategy or brainpower to beat, everyone loses their minds. I'll concede to them that knowing to body block his power or 99'ing your mend is a bit high level, but anyone can be good at pallet stun timing with a bit of practice. They can't even do that.

They don't understand to stay injured vs him either, because spending 30 seconds to heal per person, and then him re-injuring you in 2 seconds is clearly giving him max value on his power. So stop doing. I know it's a bit more complex in 2v8 because you're now injured vs a second killer, but if Legion is going around mostly injuring instead of downing, there's still 8 of you, and you're going against 1.5 of a killer instead of 2, and Legion is M1.

It's not against the rules to make a general statement on skill. It's when you get personal, or too many insults/not enough constructive criticism, that it becomes a problem.

The thing that's been happening these past few years is survivors claim a killer's OP, justify it with some vague noob-speak like "He's way too fast!" or "It's impossible to hide against him!", and then the nerf just happens.

This, on the contrary, is telling you step-by-step what to do as a counter. What's being asked seems simple enough to me, and if not then you can always ask what they mean. After that, if you still don't want to learn it or say it's still not enough vs the killer, the only logical option left is to say that "you're bad," or rather that you've got room to improve still.

And I have no idea what Mythic Quest is. You might want to find a more known equivalent for your comparison to work.

Peak Eruption, which with a slight tweak would've been completely balanced. More regression/less Incapacitated, or something like that. Not a complete removal of a status effect that makes the perk. What that perk's nerf really showed us is that people can argue scenarios in a complete bubble, and not have to back it up with anything concrete or refer to high level play.

With old Eruption, the killer's wasting tons of time going around kicking all the gens, giving up free hits in the process. That alone gives survivors the edge they need to win, because the killer simply doesn't have time to do that and still have time to kill everyone. But then what happens is survivors like to be inefficient and throw games, so they don't heal, they do gens slow so that they can even be hit by Eruption, they're hit by it and now can't do anything, and they're injured. It's completely preventable bad situations which survivors blew way out of proportion. They responded to the perk's presence so badly, it allowed even weaker killer players to beat them. Just heal before gens, do the gens quick so it's done before Eruption even hits, and you can even guess, when the killer's chasing an injured person, when your teammate is gonna go down.

People still complain about the perk, because it's gen defence, because it actually does something for the killer. It shows aura too, very bad news for survivors who can't handle a sliver of challenge.

You can say that all you want but I very much doubt Legion will be in the next 2v8, thank god. As they ruin the whole thing and as a medic Legion does render that role redundant. I cannot heal everyone instantly as it is obviously on cooldown and Legion can immediately negate every single heal I did in a matter of seconds since they get essentially free injures.

My opinion isn't an outlier, Legion seems to be almost universally despised (I am sure there are a few who don't care) in this mode and I doubt BHVR will self sabotage the success of this mode in the future, just to include Legion again.