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2v8 is terrible and ruins the experience of the whole game
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You get hit from the moon on your own servers is what I'm saying, nothing about survivor vs killer. I play loads of survivor and I dont want to play. I'm not asking you to adopt my opinion so please don't say yours is fact either.
I find 2v8 boring with the additions they've made and the poor optimisation of the networking, it's even worse than 1v4. I wanted to enjoy it and i'm just not enjoying it.
As time goes on only sweaty killers are willing to give that much time to be in a queue, because they are the ones with that much time to waste.
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The ping on both sides is only a result of the game grabbing players outside of your region since they need more survivors or killers to move along with the queue line up
People give their time to the long ass queue because playing killer is just more fun than playing survivor. Who has 7 friends they can play with? Who wants to play with 7 strangers who are likely deluded solo queue teammates and don't know what they're doing? Even though that isn't the case, as even teams with 2 bots have 8 outted
I for one think playing the stronger role for a massive reward is very enticing
These are all, kinda facts icl. The main point being survivor is still the stronger role, so why are people using bots as an excuse to not play it. Thats the whole reason this chain reaction of survivors to killers ratio sucking wven happened
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This is so dramatic. The TEMPORARY 2v8 update alone does not make this game the worst it's ever been. We've weathered far worse than this.
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I dont think its the worst the game has ever been, but its tough to play killer to avoid the issues, and if you are strapped for time you have to go play survivor against people who have too much time to care. What people are saying is they want to enjoy it, but it's not fun? Don't killers want faster queues.
@XtremeDBD It's not, even with 40 ms it's still awful btw, I'm starting to think you don't play the game enough if at all. If your opinions are facts that says a lot more about you than it does about people who are trying to give feedback to make the game better. Steam charts speak louder if you want to speak facts, Streamers avoiding 2v8 is another fact, the list goes on. I'm done with people like you who avoid the truth.
Just because you have too much time on your hands doesn't mean other people do.3 -
The complaints about Legion really show you the caliber of players we're dealing with. They can't handle being injured, the 1 thing that all killers do. It does not matter that he gets easy injures across the team and across the map, because it never has. Legion is not superior to Nurse and Blight. And there being a second killer doesn't change much. Good survivors stay injured in 1v4 against almost all killers, all the time, and they don't have pallets every 2 feet. The 8* survivors do.
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Y'all can continue to wonder why your queues are an age long, enjoy I guess
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Spam same picture in several posts is not the answer to completely reasonable arguments
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This is all the time even as killer.
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It's not a skill issue. Its not our opinion on whether legion is bad for 2v8. It's the experience of going against them. Legion isn't the problem, but it's when they're paired with another killer is when it's a problem. You're on multiple threads on this forum spouting the same nonsense on other people's posts.
Idk why you're not getting it. So, I'll say it again for you in this post.
Being injured by frenzy is fine in 1v4 because healing is a waste of time against a legion who'll just frenzy hit you again anyway. You have pallets and vaults to loop and the whole map is big enough to spread out. It is not the same in 2v8. There's another killer, usually a high mobility killer at that. You are bound to run into someone cause the map is just big enough for more gens, not survivors. The legion is getting free health states cause of frenzy and the other killer just cleans up. It's 2v1 in many chases. Its easy downs.
Why survivors aren't queing? The experience is trash. The classes have not had any updates. There's little to no interactive chase when there's a legion in the lobby. When there is a legion, survivors are constantly mending, whether they are in terror radius or not, so no one is doing gens. Everyone is either healing or getting unhooks. On survivor side, it's bland/stale gameplay with no chance to loop or escape. Instant downs in chase feels bad, and there is no skill expression when it comes to survivor.
You know a game mode is bad when a lot of major content creators (tru3, JRM, Otz to name a few) aren't even playing 2v8.
You defending legion is pitiful because they're only a problem in 2v8 as what is stated in every 2v8 post about legion. You're legit disregarding peoples actual experiences playing against legion and youre still, "They can't handle being injured... And there being another killer does not change much." Clearly, something is not getting to you. You're like a broken record, replaying the same arguments from legion being in 1v4. We're talking about legion in 2v8. They are not the same.
I hope you can read this and comprehend what is being said. Have a good day.
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It's not a skill issue. It's not anyone's opinion on whether or not legion feels bad being 2v8. It's people's actual experiences playing against a Legion in 2v8. You are on other people's posts commenting the same thing on every discussion about legion being in 2v8. Idk why you're not getting it.
So, I'll say it again for you in this post.
In 1v4, you can opt to stay injured against a legion because they'll just frenzy hit you again anyway for a free health state. You have pallets, loops, and vaults across a map designed to COMFORTABLY fit 4 survivors, so you have the option to spread out against a frenzying legion. This is not the problem.
The problem is when they are in 2v8 paired with a high mobility killer. The maps are designed for space to fit the proper number of gens needed for 2v8, and even then, it's a tight fit. You BARELY have room to spread out. A legion can get fast, chained health states. All the other killer has to do is clean up. Most chases are 2v1. Easy downs, easy wins.
To a survivor, this is not interactive gameplay. It is bland and stale, hardly any interaction with the killer, map, and objectives. Everyone's mending, being chased, healing, or getting unhooks. In that time no one is doing gens. Why are the survivors healing and not opting to stay injured you ask? There is a whole nother killer who is present on the map. An injured survivor is short work for a blight/nurse/spirit to which these killers are often paired with legion.
You can tell when a game mode feels bad when major content creators (tru3, JRM, otz to name a few) aren't even playing 2v8. Killer queue times and the survivor gameplay is just not it. Adding legion, not updating and adding new mechanics to survivor's gameplay just wasnt the play here, and it shows with all the things BHVR is trying to do to entice people to play survivor.
You defending legion on every 2v8 experience is painful. People are commenting their experiences playing against legion in 2v8 on these posts, and you're still sounding like a broken record, "They can't handle being injuredโฆ And there being a second killer doesn't change much." No. This is not 1v4 where survivors opt to stay injured cause legion'll just come back around once their power is up to stab you again, sending you to mend YET AGAIN. The whole dynamic has changed BECAUSE there is another killer introduced to the equation. The answer is different. So idk why you're still commenting as if 1v4 gameplay against legion applies to 2v8. They are not the same.
I hope you can read this and comprehend what is being said. No one's attacking your main. We are just voicing our experiences with 2v8 against a legion. Hope you have a good day.
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Don't forget survivor classes are nerfed too compared to last time. The devs ruined this great mode.
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They were not nerfed ๐. Just get better
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Thx! Always try to.
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Legion is still super weak in 2v8. Healing and mending is also way shorter in 2v8.
The reason people don't like legion being in 2v8 is because their teammates don't know how to counter them, which i because theres no mmr in the gamemode due to the queues being so long and grabbing random people across the world.
I haven't lost to a legion once yet, they're still really bad, arguably the 8 hit requirement is actually a nerf since your gonna lose all those injuries to fast heals and only get one down like a minute after starting power, or you don't get a down at all because the maps are way too big for his power.
The buffs he should've gotten was; Basekit Mural sketch, super short frenzy fatigues, basekit friendship bracelet, still only 5 hits for an insta down.
This way the legion actually makes meaningful pressure, while injuries from his power are still pretty recent for the second killer to clean up, that is if the survivors are stupid enough to not just heal right away.
Like i said, still really weak
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Lol, you're in every post about legion in 2v8 too. Another broken record saying the same things. Lemme sum up what the majority of people's experiences are for you too.
Imma say it flat out; No one wants to play against a legion in 2v8.
It's not a hard concept to grasp. We know they are an m1 killer after frenzy. That is not the point being addressed. What's being addressed is the fact that the experience of going against a legion is not fun or interactive. You are either mending, healing, or unhooking. Idk why you're not getting it either. There is no chase involved BECAUSE there is another killer mopping up after a frenzy hit. Instant downs, no time for loops, no survivor skill expression. Just bland, stale gameplay. This is the point.
You can say it's because there is no mmr, and other people suck (paraphrasing). Still doesn't change the fact you're mending more than you're doing gens. This is MY experience. We know your matches differ cause you're just better. We get it. Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Other people are less fortunate to get baby survivors in their lobbies. Hell, less fortunate even to get a legion/blight combo with undetectable to go against.
Don't discredit people's experiences against a legion in 2v8 by saying its a skill issue (paraphrasing what you said). You offer no insight or tips to combat legion in 2v8, and even then, all counter points have been addressed in those conversations. No one is attacking your main bro. If youre a legion main just say that, and stop hiding behind your passive aggressive posts blaming other people cause they suck. Us vs them conversations are not helping this game mode become better.
The point being made is this iteration is worse because they added legion into it. Simple. It is evident because this time around, they had to add bots and double exp incentive just to get people to play the game. Ik ALOT of people who take a two week break when 2v8 comes around simply cause of the queue times for both modes. Why do you think the incentives are for both modes?
There are so many posts about legion being unfun to play against. Most of them are negative. If most are negative, it's safe to assume people don't like this new aspect of the game mode. It surely is not helping BHVR to get people to play the survivor role in 2v8. Having to implement bots, then go around and take them away, then having to do double exp and 400% bp obviously says a lot about the player base not attending the role.
I hope you can read this and comprehend what is being said. Thank you for your time and have a good day.
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Bots are okay, adding in Legion is killing the mode imo.
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Bro. Its really not that deep ๐ legion gives u a lil tickle and then his teammate who should be across the map pressuring gens is gonna come and get the down?
If they're 2v1ing than they're gonna lose, because no matter how short chases are, gens are extremely easy to pop in 2v8. Speed penalties will only apply when the gen is popped, that means theoretically all 7 other survivors can be doing gens and popping all at the same time, benefiting from the unfair 2.5% stackable increase per cage.
Even after doing allat, they are gonna have a super hard time tunneling.
He really isn't much a threat at all, idk why you can't see that. The experience is the same for everyone, sometimes you get unlucky with your teammate's skill, thats just apart of the queuing system
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"Legion gives u a lil tickle and then his teammate who should be across the map pressuring gens is gonna come and get the downs?" Bro what's not clicking...? I guess you didn't comprehend what I'm saying. People are unmending, healing, or getting unhooks. No one is thinking about gen rushing when there's a blight/nurse/spirit that can traverse the map with ease. They are healing so they don't get instadowned by these highly mobile killers, which are paired with legion. Idk why you're failing to grasp this concept. As I've said, the dynamics of legion's gameplay change when there is another killer in play.
You're commenting in other people's posts about the same thing. Whoopty doo, your games are better than others, and your matches are perfect. Not everyone has optimal gameplay. Still doesn't change the fact 2v8 survivor feels bad to play. Whether that be because of legion, limited class systems, or less skill expression. ALOT of people aren't playing 2v8, and BHVR sees that and is addressing it.
The underlying issue is there seems to be a shortage of survivor players they aren't playing 2v8, hence the killer queue times. People are just giving their feedback on the new iteration, and what BHVR can do if they want more players to role queue survivor in 2v8. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yes, it isn't that deep. So, why are you on every post about how people feel being in 2v8 as survivor? Idk why you're commenting on what people have experienced and/or feeling bout it. It's what they experienced. There is no right or wrong or opinion. You coming in multiple discussions telling people they essentially suck doesn't change any of what everyone's experiencing about the game mode.
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Yeah the 2 bots did make the survivor role unbearable to play. But with one bot it pretty much feels like a regulars 2v8 match. The killer queues have been the same for me since the 1 iteration, an average wait of 10 minutes. the 1v4 I'm not sure since don't I play that mode. And while I don't doubt some people hate this mode, you also got to consider some of us have become 2v8 mains. While some people stop playing when this mode comes out, you also got consider some of us who don't play this game on a regular basis come back to play this mode exclusively.
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@JonahofArk gl but you're talking to a wall :/ . I think we as the DBD community just need to undertstand that a large portion of players really aren't interested in competitive games. They'd steam roll every lobby, survivor or killer, if they had it their way.
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Are you dumb? It is like talking to a wall. You are thick bro. You proved my point exactly. You have nothing better, nothing else to say, so you talk your ish and chalk it up to skill. You change the subject to benefit your little ego. We not talking about looping two killers in 2v8. We talking bout legion in 2v8 and the perma-injure is kit has.
Yeah, it is stupid asf commenting the same thing in every 2v8 post I see on this forum. Its sad actually. You are literally on every post about the dislike for 2v8, telling people to "get good." Are you paid to be a boot licker? You must be a paid actor bro.
Multiple people are saying the same thing bout legion. I guess we are all not as skilled as you. You sound like a toxic survivor main who teabags every time you predrop a pallet in the killer's face. Awe, you escaped two killer chase; you want a cookie? Miss me lil boii and your little ahh ego.
Go post about how good you are at looping instead of boot licking this trash game mode. Why are you in a discussion when you clearly not comprehending what is being said? Let the adults talk. Go child. Go loop the two killers for daddy. Nobody wants to hear a little boy talk in a grown man discussion.
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For me 2v8 is good...for about the first three or four days. Bots while not everyone liked them I found alright I know it didn't do much for wait time but still seemed I got into matches a little faster. I mostly found it annoying with characters like Trapper or Hillbilly.
Trapper kinda has to use his traps a lot and on massive maps it can be a little annoying when your chasing a bunch of survivors seeing Trapper having to walk across the map to grab a bear trap then walk back to place it. Hillbilly more just the whole constantly using his power yes it's insta down but maps have strong tiles so I see survivors running them around easily and just constant chainsaw usage. So overall Trapper could have needed a change like starting with all his traps or something. But also I enjoy 2v8 it's not overall amazing I mean none of the modifiers a 10/10 for me. But it's not my overall favorite Lights Out made the game scary and it stayed for the proper duration. Choas did...alright not bad but not good I know BHVR was trying to say "hey remember these perks exist so try using these" but well not all perks can work alone. But 2v8 is just eh to me I get the change to it where you need to pick survivors up to cage them but well it takes a good while so even late flashlight saves are powerful. Plus well bots not bad...not good their either useless or in some cases when I play killer really god damn competent. Should it stay 2 weeks? No I don't think so but should it say a week? Maybe a week with 2v8 is fine because it gives everyone a break from the base game but doesn't overstay it's welcome and well extending it kinda doesn't help as some people get sick of it like Choas and Lights out about a week and boom their gone unless it does really well. But even just taking a break from the modifiers would be nice or just throwing a goofy one in for a day or two like what my little Oni did just two days and gone. Plus modifiers kinda mess up with match making and as someone who complains a lot about match making it's not super riveting since there isn't match making after a while as far as I know it's going to be a grumbled mess for a good bit.
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Events in general, not just this current 2v8 one, are going on way too long or feel like they do.
As a solo player, you have little choice but to play the events. The match making in 1v4 gets completely destroyed and way too many games are one sided stomps. I play normal mode at the moment as survivor and more than likely it's a Blight that destroys the lobby or some Knockout build that completely crushes the solo non comms lobby and the game is miserable. Play it as killer and again, you play against the worst survivors you've ever seen or it's a P100 SWF on comms with all the syringes, BNPs and second chance perks possible! There is no in between while events and modifiers are on and it really isn't enjoyable either way.
I'd much prefer these events and game modes to be Thursday evening to Monday evening things at most. Enough to keep you playing but not outstaying their welcome. You just know they'll end up extending 2v8 again, and I don't think I'm alone in being more than over it already, before it's even halfway through it's scheduled run.
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