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Never Bring Back 2v8 EVER again
If you ever bring this absolutely terrible mode ever again, I might actually permanently quit the game. Like it is actually awful. I'd rather work than play 2v8, and I hate my job. I outlined the reasons why I hate it so much in a previous post (https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/438347/2v8-continues-to-be-the-worst-gamemode-ever-added-to-dbd#latest) but with 400% incentive and only 1 bot I tried it again. It is still awful. Like absolutely terrible. This is the worst time I ever had playing any video game. This mode is unfixable don't even try. Keep bringing back chaos shuffle, and seasonal events, and even lights out. But please do us all a favour and never touch this absolutely failure of a mode ever again.
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if you have such a flaming hatred for 2v8 i dont think you even liked the video game in the first place, you might need to take a break man
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What? "If you don't like Twitch Stories you never enjoyed watch Twitch streams in the first place". I enjoy the game, 2v8 is just the worst thing they ever done to it.
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Just because YOU don’t enjoy it, doesn’t mean other people don’t. Just play normal and pretend it’s not there… Really, it isn’t that hard.
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Just DON'T PLAY IT if you don't like it.
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2v8 is, at its core, the same game as dead by daylight. there are drastic gameplay changes but it is obviously still dead by daylight …. if the addition of 5 more players in your lobby makes you literally want to tear your eyes out of your skull, i have a feeling you don't like 1v4 that much either
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Difference between 2v8 and 1v4. No perks, no add ons, way less organised, herbs, mandatory cages instead of hooks, bots that are (pretty much) mandatory, queue times, stunlocks, classes, killer combos that can use each others strengths combined, rebuildable pallets, everything is overpowered, etc…
Sure, at their core they are similar but the difference add up to a very different gameplay experience.
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Then I'd miss out on the cosmetics and rift shards.
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Let me get your point across: because you want to get the rewards that are exclusive to 2v8 games, but at the same time don't want to bother with the game itself, should everyone who likes the mode now do without it?
You know what? I would also like to have all the unlockable killers, perks, skins, etc., but I don't feel like playing with other players. Can I join you and get these things by playing against the bots? Or maybe without playing at all?
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I mean 2v8 also makes the queue times for the normal mode worse.
Also, there is difference between disliking how the game itself mainly works, and how a mode works. Your analogy is flawed.
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"everything is overpowered" we're playing a totally different game then dude LOL
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Probably the most unpopular opinion you'll ever see on forums, 2v8 is actually more fun than 1v4. Sure its still not balanced but its more fun.
First off, the bots really aren't a problem, they play better than somsle players even
A 400% bp incentive for playing the stronger role is actually super enticing. Though survivor lacks some uniqueness like no new classes, its still better to play since surviving is almost garunteed every game
Chaos shuffle and Lights out are much worse than 2v8 barely even changing the game in unique ways. The most recent modifier, Chaos shuffle 2.0 being a big flop, and tbh was never really that good, since you can essentially do perk randomizers in normal games. Survivor barely shaken no matter what perks they run, since its the stronger role anyways
Seasonal events lately have been better, though bone chill still needs more work, Anniversary, Halloween, and the lunar new year replacement, Blood Moon are really good
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Cool then leave, I love this mode and many people I know also, so I don't see a reason to delete it xD
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2 medics can heal someone mid chase (including themself), wesker has 3 dashes making him incredibly hard to dodge, engineers that have been hooked can absolutely obliterate generators, wraith still has an ungodly uncloaking speed, there is literally a collectible to undo a hook stage, etc…
This game mode is very high power compared to the main game. Of everything I said I didn't expect this to be controversial.
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"First off, the bots really aren't a problem, they play better than somsle players even" Maybe in 1v4 I'd agree, but in 2v8 not really. The 2 killers seem to really confuse them and the bots have a high need for self preservation than any soloqueue teammate I ever played, meaning they often don't heal you or don't unhook you or run away at the slightest sight of a terror radius.
"Chaos shuffle and Lights out are much worse than 2v8 barely even changing the game in unique ways. The most recent modifier, Chaos shuffle 2.0 being a big flop, and tbh was never really that good, since you can essentially do perk randomizers in normal games. Survivor barely shaken no matter what perks they run, since its the stronger role anyways" People always loved Chaos Shuffle. Yes, you can do perk randomisers normally, but you can't know that the other people in the match will do that too. Thats the fun of Chaos Shuffle. And the only negativity towards the newest Chaos Shuffle I have heard was that it didn't implement dnd enough, which I agree with, but the fundamentel game mode, unlike 2v8, is good and fun.
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2v8 has been the biggest breath of fresh air to dbd in the history of the game and to say it is terrible is pretty ignorant to the amount of people who absolutely love the game mode. its fine if you don't like it but to say it shouldn't be brought back because you personally dislike it is a fair statement.
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2v8 is the community's favorite game, so it won't leave anytime soon. If you hate the gamemode so much, why do even play it? You could be playing normal 1v4 instead, or just not play DBD at all.
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Man. Just choose not to play it? Actually pretty simple. I adore 2v8 personally! It is a good break from normal gameplay. It is a meme in itself!
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Yeah he really needs to just quit the game. I think about maybe 20 thousand more people honestly could just quit the game because they don't like it in actuality. I mean I don't play right now and these days I just look at the game icon and I can only remember every ######### match I have had along with every unfun and unfair game. So yeah they really should just quit the game. Behaviour does not need people who hate playing their game :D
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I guess you are one of those who enjoy waiting for 15 minutes? And if you are playing survivor then I guess you are just having fun doing more than 5 generators WHICH is nice I guess? Honestly the fact that nobody plays survivor anymore speaks volumes about the game.
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I play survivor. I haven't played killer in years just due to not enjoying it much. Yeah, the que for surv is instant so that is nice. I enjoy it! Totally fine if you don't, should be totally fine if others do. That is why Baskin Robbins has 31 different flavors!
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Oh no the problem is how ######### it is to play survivor really XD good that you still enjoy it. I personally only wish to do generators and not interact with the killer at all but alas I am forced to interact with them and thus I just don't play the game for now due to the sheer amount of bugs unbalance and insanity
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2v8 is one of the most fun gamemodes in any game ever, if you don't like it you can still play 1v4 if you want.
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I'll address your arguments from your other post here, because this one has the more traction it seems.
- Cages not relocating when a surv is near and lack of survivor unhooking - None of the problems you have described here are attributable to the design of the mode, and the same issues are in effect in 1vs4. Players playing badly by leading the killer to cages while in chase, or being silly and making the mistake of not to hiding out of range when a killer is camping a found cage is not a problem of 2v8, it is an accepted part of any game where the team that plays worse should lose.
- Legion in 2v8 - Legion only does well in 1v4 when survivors don't understand how to play against him. Having played with and against a number of Legions now, I have come to the conclusion that Legion is no more oppressive than any other killer in 2v8, but he does require Survivors to adapt how they play. The problem is if a few survivors do not adapt how they play and keep giving the Legion the scenarios he wants, then Legion becomes very strong and will mess over the players that ARE playing correctly. However if survivors play the Legion game sensibly and use their abilities properly, then Legion is perfectly managable. Again this is the same issue in 2v8 as 1v4.
- Bots - Bots are bots, there is good and bad with bots. There have been times where a bot has actually been the MVP of the round because they actually do things unlike the rest of the cowardly goombas in my team, the "no one comes to unhook" problem you describes is often addressed by the bot. There have been times they are trash, but I've had more instances where a bot directly helped me than I have bots directly hindered me. In my experience bots have tended to roughly even out their shortcomings with their strengths, and especially now there is only 1 bot per lobby. I often don't even notice a difference to a full lobby. The fact they often take the least popular role usually means your team is pretty balanced, so have often made up for the "weakness" of the team.
- Bugs - Bugs are bugs, there are bugs in 1v4, there are bugs in 2v8. This is a poor reason to write of any mode because it isn't a criticism of the mode itself. Invalid argument to the discussion.
- RPD and Indoor Maps for 2v8 - Very easy to find anyone to heal you. Injured medics have their aura revealed and can always see injured players, Guides have their auras revealed when repairing gens, often you can see players scatter as the Scout when seeing the killer aura and looking at the HUD. It's far easier to find someone is 2v8 than it is in 1v4. Herbs have been clutch for me plenty of times, particularly the yellow herb has granted me at least 4 escapes that I otherwise wouldn't have had. Green herbs tend to get gobbled up fast, so I don't often get to use them, but that tends to mean they are working.
I'm afraid the mode is extremely popular, the most popular mode the game has ever had… you're in a minority I'm afraid, and your arguments are pretty weak at the foundation, and tend to apply just as much to 1vs4, and in same cases, more to 1vs4.
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I wanna ask if the mode is so popular why is nobody playing survivor? if you say well because its fun to be two killers then I guess we have to correct your statement on it being very popular to "The gamemode is super popular on the killer side of things" because if nobody wants to play survivor how can you call the mode fully popular both sides have to want to play on all sides for it to be popular and honestly all the other posts of people having no fun in the 2v8 mode seems kinda against your argument. Probably it is fun but I personally can't see it because I am not insane to wait 20 minutes for a match with 6 survivors and 2 bots. Tbh not sure how any of you got the patience for that good for you but nobody should be saying the mode is so good and popular when the other side of the playerbase refuses to participate whatsoever to the point devs have to keep bumping their bloodpoint incentives to insanity XD
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Nobody playing Victim?
An absurd statement. Simply untrue. There's just an unbalance in the ratio of Killer to Victim.
I play both sides, I prefer Killer, but that doesn't mean I don't like playing Victim in 2v8.
Both sides have to want to play on all sides for it to be popular
Citation needed (I kid, that's obviously just your opinion).
All the other posts of people having no fun
They aren't representative of everybody.
There's also threads of people loving the game. Clearly that means everybody loves it, right? No.
Probably it is fun, but I personally can't see it
Then don't play 2v8.
2 bots
They made it max 1 bot, and that's not even necessarily the case 100% of the time.
I don't have any patience to wait
Then don't play 2v8.
Your entire post is drenched in bad faith arguments. Hopefully you're just ignorant to how unsympathetic you come across, but if are aware; you really aren't convincing anybody.
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@A_T_E pretty much nailed it already. The simple fact is, a lot more people want to play killer in this mode… however to do so we need 4 survivors for every one killer, and since a greater ratio of people want to play killer, killer queues are longer…. we still have way more survivors than killers playing 2vs8. Your argument here would have just as much sense as saying "Well there are 4 times as many survivors in 1vs4 as there are killers, therefore killer is clearly an unpopular role that nobody wants to play". Sounds pretty silly all of sudden doesn't it?
I join games for survivors in usually 10 seconds flat, and there are at least 6 other people that want to play with me, and apparently 1vs4 constantly struggles for players when 2vs8 is live, and 1vs4 tends to be full of much sweatier games for both sides. This says to me that the bulk of the casual playerbase massively prefer 2vs8…. Soooo that seems like a pretty strong argument in favour of the mode. Just because you hate the mode is not representative of the rest of the playerbase.
I mean no offence my guy, but we've had a number of discussions now… and you seem to hate 1vs4 just as much… I just get the general feeling you don't enjoy the concept/game of DBD at all. I'm not accusing you of being a quitter, but following our previous discussions, I get the impression you tend to give up pretty easily given how you describe how "impossible" Survivor is, despite the fact that myself and many other players have no issues with Survivor at all….
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- Not unhooking is a mode mor einherit to 2v8. Lets say the following happens in 1v4: Survivor A is on hook, Survivor B is in chase and Survivors C and D are on different generators. Survivor D sees on the hud that Survivor C stops working on the gens, without starting another activity or entering chase. Survivor D can therefore conclude that Survivor C is likely going for the unhook and they don't need to stop working on their gen to do that. 2v8 is too chaotic to use the hud like that. Also, due to MMR being less strict you are paired with Survivors not close to your skill level this happens more often.
- Again, the same issue with your argument. Yes, Survivors can adapt to Legion, but due to the issues mentioned above this is easier in 1v4 than 2v8. In addition to that, in 1v4 Legion doesn't have a chase power. They can keep everyone injured, but unless the Survivors group up too much they need to be a basic M1 killer to get the down. Due to Legions partner having a chase power this issue doesn't exist in 1v4.
- Bugs in 2v8 are way more frequent tho. Due to smaller map selection the RPD out of bounds glitch was more common and I have never seen a Survivor get stuck on the killers shoulder in the normal mode. The lagspikes are also not comparable.
- That would be the case if people actually played their role. Medics often sit on gens and stuff. And, more importabtly, to go back the unhook example. You can't use the HUD to see if someone goes in the unhook in 2v8, but at least usually you can see across the map and see if someone else is running to the unhook or to heal that injured Survivor or to open that Gate and you can make a more informed decision. The constant sight blockers of RPD prevent that.
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- It is more chaotic, but unlike 1vs4, cage locations are not revealed to the killer, therefore the usual issues of camping and cut off are not present, so the issues of SoloQ balance themselves out. You should on average have at least 5 survivors available to unhook, if none of them are on gens, and none of them go for the unhook, then I dunno what to tell you, survivors deserve to lose. How would you even address this? This isn't an auto battler where you switch your brain off and the game plays itself for you, Survivors have no excuse for letting a fellow survivors go stage 2.
- Yes, Legion does run over players playing bad, and yes you are more likely to get bad players in 2vs8... but playing bad is still playing bad, and the defence "most players suck, so this killer has to be held down to do absolutely nothing" is a poor argument. Now I am in the camp Legion would be fine with his regular ability, I don't think he needs the 8 charge buff... however in the same breathe, I'm not convinced he actually gets weaker by going back to 4 charges. The goal for 2vs8 is to eventually have all killers in it is it not? Unless your plan is to say "2vs8 can only ever have this list of killers, sorry SoloQ is too stupid for your killer to ever be added", people will have to learn to play vs. him at some point.
- Of course there are more bugs in 2vs8, bugs are a result of a constantly changing codebase, and an expected part of live service development. You can't expect a temporary mode that has so many radical changes to it to have less bugs than the mode that's been refined over and over across the past 8 years.
- Again, you can't force players to play well. There is only so much hand holding you can provide before you're basically not playing the game any more. Survivors have plenty of auras from their classes available to help them to help them on indoor maps, from gen auras, teammate auras, window/pallet auras, and auras through walls on the killers themselves.
Solo is not as stupid as people think, and the same issues with bad players can be felt on killer side too. I've seen plenty of Bambi's that get stomped by Survivors. Hell I've had a Wesker paired with my Trapper, and legit 50% of this man's downs came from my traps... and with fear monger I was giving him 10% regularly throughout the game.
The SoloQ/MMR argument applies just as much, if not more to killer.
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Except none of the tome challenges require you to actually play in 2v8 mode except for two, and they are not necessary for the cosmetics, so you'd miss out on 10 rift fragments. Not a big deal.
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Yeah you probably still think survivor is okay because unlike you I am much worse at the game and I am still forced to play with sweaty killers despite my mmr being much lower. I am still gonna sit on the logical idea that you can't put 200 hour survivor against 2000 hour killers. That just seems insanity but of course behaviour thinks people would preffer a fast game before a fair game. Kinda weird but okay. And nope never said I hated the mode I just don't think it is fair to call it that popular if nobody wants to play survivor whatsoever unless most survivors are just sweats which is not the case because most of the survivors are solo que players and we all know in solo que we are definitely dying.
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Thanks for the statements my dude. Don't worry I am not playing 2v8 also WOW gee thanks for calling me unsympathetic despite being completely calm collected and put my opinion out there like a normal person. Sorry if you think I was trying to insult anybody but tbh you come as unsympathetic for ending your statement in such a rude way honestly. But yeah as I said don't worry I am not playing I am just putting my opinion out here just like everyone else. Sorry you don't like it but I believe you can get over it easily. Also why are you calling survivors victims? Kinda weird change of names there?
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The thing is you're right. The 1v4 DBD I enjoyed NO longer exist. This 2v8 dbd is something that I actually like. It feels just like how I felt when I first started playing this game.
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no. 2v8 is fun. lots of people will tell you that. this is a "you" problem.
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If i had to hazard a guess, 2v8 vastly overshadows 1v4's player count even when compared to days where the regular que is the only option, and thus, will always come back.
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