TAKE THE EGC MORI OUT!

What don't you like about the mori?

I don't doubt you have videos of you hiding, not helping the team unhook, not bodyblocking somebody getting tunneled. I'd love to see them and be proven right.

Okay, let's analyze what you just said.

2 people on hooks

So you're downed, 2 others are on hooks, and you have how many hooks? 0 again?

How did you manage to get into this scenario to begin with? One got downed, you did nothing, another got downed, you run to help, then get downed too? I just can't see a scenario where somebody didn't do enough here.

The difference is the killer can do something about the survs inthe gate; they can push them out. The killer can also choose to just not go to the gate.

The morid surv however has no way to to something about it.


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Personally I just hate repetitive cutscenes that get old real fast (I also hate the forced bloodweb animation, the match load-in camera turn, the camera turn on hook and the running out the exit gate animation - but that last one at least transitions kinda nicely). - Simple fix though; just add a "skip" option to the animation. If someone wants to watch it; go ahead. Anyone who doesn't can just skip and move on.

It's not immature to not enjoy an opponent in a game gloating. It's generally considered bad sportsmanship to do something that can be considered showing off once a game is won. And a lot of killer players slug for 4k, and then follow it up by waiting for the third survivor to be sacrificed while they stand over the fourth waiting for their free mori so they can show off that they won. That can certainly feel like rubbing the victory in.

Also, why are you telling op that there's not any point in caring about something? They clearly care about it, and we shouldn't just say "There's no point for you to do this." That seems a lot like saying op's feelings are invalid. If you think they shouldn't care about it, it would be good to talk about why they shouldn't. Like when people say "Oh, that person's a bully, don't pay any attention to them."

However... having no hooks shouldn't be happening often at endgame. No arguments there. In the few games where I play survivor these days, if I don't have any hooks and I have teammates are on death hook, I go get the killer's attention.

While OP is rather...blunt in his statement, let's elaborate. People don't mind the Mori per-say. Before this, Mori animations were liked (or at least tolerated) but now, with them happening in most matches, it got old really quick and now they're merely seen as "additional reason why the game won't end" instead of a cool cutscene that didn't happen often.

By hiding a Mori animation behind a 4k, it automatically incentivizes people to slug for the 4k...and we all know how fun and riveting it is. It's true that it happened before already, the Finisher Mori didn't create it, but the sheer number of threads talking about it since the Finisher Mori was introduced speaks for themselves of how it got worse.

We already hear it everywhere, Killers slugging the last 2 and then waiting for one to die (either by bleedout or simply standing over the last slug after hooking the 3rd, wasting minutes instead of ending the game in seconds even when there's hooks within spitting distance) just to Mori the last, is only making people hate those animations due to them encouraging such endgames and making the game even less casual/newcomer-friendly than it already is (as newcomers/low-mmr players will see their games end in a 4k more often).

There's a reason why the dreadful basekit Unbreakable was attempted alongside the previous Finisher Mori PTB: otherwise almost every single games would just end in a slugfest. Hell, during that horrid PTB there were more bleedout slugfest games than normal even though people could get up because Killer players wanted that animation after killing the first 2 Survivors.

[Quite frankly, it wouldn't be that hard to keep the Finisher Mori but make it into something that rewards those that don't slug for the 4k and win the Hatch race without removing 4k slugging for those that merely want to secure the win: The Finisher Mori only becomes available if the last Survivor is on their feet (healthy or injured or Plot-Twisting, that last one is to prevent from trying to purposefully deny the Mori by using the perk right before the other dies) when the second-to-last Survivor dies by sacrifice, by unique Mori (NOT by bleedout) or escapes. Succeeding would grant extra BP for the extra steps.]

(There's threads about similar solutions)

The goal isn't to remove things, it's to make things healthier. Slugging for the 4k was already a common thing, but it wasn't as prevalent and Mori animations weren't seen as a chore. This same mindset applies to countless aspects of the game but this one is currently making a big impact but could be turned into something good.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at there.

And yeah, in this game there will always be people who are toxic, and there isn't any point in wasting energy on the specific people, rather the problem as a whole. Instead of brooding over that survivor who tbagged you at the gates after an 8 hook game, just try and spread positivity, that's what I think would really help this issue, it's a lot more difficult to be unkind when you're getting nothing but kindness back.

Just add a rule that says, "If you dc during a Final Mori, it doesn't count as a dc."

I don't understand why some killers waste time (slug for the 4 K and wait for hook stages) just to see a very common thing such as the MORI animation nowadays.

Especially if you main one character, like you've already seen it a lot. It becomes boring.

I don't know why you feel bad about the MORI itself, most of the time people are just sore losers and can't accept the "staging" of their loss.