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Feedback on bringing back downvotes
idk if this is how to do feedback on the downvotes but I feel that people are quick to downvote than upvote. Like people are Quick to talk smack about others but rarely compliment it’s the same here. Previously if you didn’t agree or like what a person said you responded through a comment and if people agree with you you “ratio”. Twitter and Instagram is like that I kinda prefer that because on Reddit it is so easy to just downvote with never needing to comment on why you disagree. Especially on a forum place where people often times are going to talk about complicated subjects that aren’t unanimously agreed upon. Just my two cents on that.
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Yeah, that's the one thing I liked about the forums was the fact that there wasn't a downvote option like you have on Reddit - where you can get downvoted to oblivion.
From what I gathered, it's to see how people interact with one another - even @Mandy has said that it's to gauge how others interact with one another and who are quick to downvote without actively engaging in formal conversation with the other.
Even if I don't care for the downvotes, it doesn't really bother me too much. If a person downvotes, they downvote - I'll respond if someone tags me, but otherwise it's just an imaginary number just like the upvotes are.
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Guys I saved downvotes
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I'm torn about it, as it's somewhat healthier for me as I don't need to feel like I have to state what I dislike about the other person engaging with me if I don't enjoy the conversation, just as simple as pressing a button and moving on, same for people when it comes to me.
coz usually it's like, you will only listen to my opinion and I'll repeat at you and say you are wrong, when all it needs to be is one post, and it turns into a one sided arguement. So perhaps it will be healthier.-2 -
Ive said it in a couple of other threads but seeing as how this is the feedback section I will mirror my thoughts here.
I do not see anything positive coming from the addition of downvotes. It is highly trollable, has a chilling effect on discussions where there are dissenting opinions that are absolutly worth exploring and pushes discussions towards becoming an echo chamber like Reddit.
Right and wrong are not a popularity contest and so I dont feel that voting in generally really serves much purpose. Downvoting in particular though will discourage opinions that run counter to mass opinion and that is both unhelpful and damaging.9 -
Thats the reason I hate talking DBD on the offfical Reddit. It’s just an echo chamber with downvotes on anything that isn’t like a meme or something so widely agreed like “skull merchant bad”
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I agree. The implementation of downvotes is likely to lead to less real engagement on this forum since people can simply downvote instead of talking to other participants, which is absolutely critical for a useful exploration of people's thoughts, feelings, and experiences.
If I post something or respond to a comment, and then someone simply downvotes instead of commenting back, we have no way of knowing what parts of my thoughts they disagree with and what parts (if any) they agree with, and we have no way of knowing what their thinking is on whatever issue is being discussed. That means it becomes impossible to find out the real diversity of player/participant opinions on those issues.
Also, as others have pointed out, this is likely to lead to some people not wanting to post at all because they know their opinion is likely to be in the minority. But those people also deserve to have their opinions heard. I might not agree with people who support early game tunneling, camping, or bully squads, but that doesn't mean that people who do support those things shouldn't have their opinion heard or be forced to endure dozens of downvotes. And we're already seeing that happen. If we want to indicate that we disagree with those opinions, we should explain to those people, and to BHVR, why we think that way.
Interestingly, I like this forum much more than the other popular forum that has downvotes. That place has an unusually high number of people talking at each other and not with each other. People can literally just shout each other down there, seemingly without consequence. Part of what makes this forum better appears to be the result of the need to engage in discussion rather than simply press the downvote button. I honestly don't trust the dbd reddit to reflect the diversity of player experiences at all.
Don't get me wrong, this approach could suppress some trolls, but it may come at a much greater cost than the small benefit we stand to gain.
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I stopped trying to talk to people about the game on the Reddit. I only talk dbd here. Reddit mods take down literally any discussion worth talking. Downvoting in a place where topics can get heated doesn’t make sense imo
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I like the downvoting system honestly.
The strictly upvote only system was more of a "people like their opinion more than mine, but dont actively hate my opinion", which was a more moderate approach to things.
But now I feel like the downvoting system works as a self-governing way of dealing with people's egos, since it forces people to come to grips with the idea that sometimes you just say stuff that people dont like, and with how the Forums have been over the past few months, I feel like we've needed that with how rude or offensive some people can get.
My only issue though, with what you mentioned, it leads to overall less engagement. It shortcuts the discussion in favor of pressing a single button. I think people will still engage, but it overall reduces the sense of community since less people will engage in conversation.
I just like talking or engaging in conversations about more niche DBD topics, like audio layering or visual design, and posts like that tend to get ignored anyways so I really dont get affected by this change tbh.
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I am torn, but my ultimate recommendation would be to keep the downvote system. I spend a lot of my personal time thinking about Dead by Daylight, and I like to post concepts, ideas, new mechanics, etc. I do this for fun, because I enjoy it. I don't mind if someone doesn't like my idea — I think it is important for me to get feedback on idea quality so I am remain aligned with the community. It's not very productive for the game's health if all the ideas that I suggest are not received or welcomed well by others. The point of posting feedback and suggestions should be to make the game a better place for everyone — not to make it perfect for me.
It took me a lot of real life therapy to get to a point in my life where someone can disagree with me and it does not upset me — so I understand how the feature can genuinely affect some players on a personal level. But even with that, we also have to think about the busy professional or adult student that checks the forums and doesn't have the same time or dedication we do. Their voice still needs to be heard and likes/dislikes make that easier for them. Reddit is a dark, stinky swamp where you get penalized and socially humiliated just for daring to have an opinion. I personally believe the culture on the forums will remain professional and dedicated, even with the downvote system. Anyone that makes an account on here cares about the game to some degree—even the ones that are openly aggressive to the developers and share comments that should never be said in real life towards someone.
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Feedback based on idea quality isn't just a number though. Being upvoted feels good but if you want actual feedback and discussion then people need to respond to your ideas,. Usually the community is pretty good about picking out interesting discussion points the pop up in a thread and replying to them. There are even a number of people willing to have more nuanced discussions on complicated topics. Far more than what you would normally expect in fact which is nice.
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taking in mind how big part of dbd community is clueless about the game, downvotes will be used only to pump up ego when seeing some rational takes actually downvoted into oblivion
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Downvotes definitely need to go. I just made a post on Singularity changes, and despite knowing the nerfs I proposed are reasonable, I also know that many Singularity players are biased, and by the downvotes/upvotes dynamic you would think my idea is awful, but none of the comments actually provide any arguments against my points, all of them are either "No" or "I think the latest changes made Singularity better to play"
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Exactly. I haven't read your proposed changes, but this is the problem with downvotes. If your proposed changes are agreed with by others, you'll get upvotes. No further discussion needed since that implies an agreement with what you say. But downvotes imply a disagreement while not saying what the disagreement is about and what others think is the right take on the issue. When that happens, we can't get any information about what the solution should be, so this really just makes the community more angry and hostile.
Forgive the language, but downvotes are the equivalent of those people on Reddit who just say "That's a **** take." (I pre-censored to avoid breaking any forum rules because I'm over-cautious.) That sort of comment does the same thing as a downvote, in the sense that both make it impossible to have a useful discussion about the topic.
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I like the idea of it downvotes and and it also helps the devs to see where everyone stands with ideas.
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I think it would be good if it would show us who votes up/down comments too.
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So after they had no choice but to remove them for obvious reasons, they just thought "hey lets bring them back, though the reasons are still there".
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Case in point what others have mentioned. I get 3 downvote but no discourse as to why people would be against this.
I'll do it myself. My suggestion may be a bad idea because people would use it to target people who downvoted them.
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At the very least I think the Moderators should have access to the voting data. I am not really convinced us being able to see who up and downvotes is a good idea.
What you are saying though proves the point @smurf made at the beginning of their comment in this thread. Downvotes drive less engagement and the entire purpose of this forum is to be a place of discourse not only between both ourselves as players and between us and BhVR staff as well.
Downvotes discourage discourse in favor of a quick "I dont like this" button. Maybe im alone in this, I can only speak for myself, but I think it is important to understand why someone might disagree with something and not just that they disagree with a thing. At least trying to understand each other is a good thing, and for that, discourse is super important.5 -
You're not alone, this option doesn't add anything of value and merely removes potential interactions in the community.
Not only that, but the very first day that this feature came back, you could see some people going "I'll downvote every comments and it'll be funny" (or something along those lines) in some threads. By default, people like that make any kind of data from this option unreliable.
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I don't like it. I feel like it promotes negativity even more so than before. When people disagree with someone they can take their time and share their opinion, whether they can see eye to eye at some point or not. This just cheapens the forums imo.
What I dislike the most is how it's placed first as well, same as in the game when you invite someone to play the first option is to "reject" ??? Which doesn't make any sense to me at all, in both regards.
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