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At this point just disable the DC penalty
If you play like 15-20 games a day chances are that you get at least 2 cheaters in your games. I personally got 4 games today where I'm confident people were cheating. The problem I have with that atm is mainly that I have to completely sit through all these games thanks to the DC penalty. Like if I dced in all 4 games I would have already accumulated a DC penalty of 15 minutes. If the same thing happens tomorrow my penalty goes even higher and so forth.
There should either be a system in place on the servers that detects when something is wrong in a certain match and disables the DC penalty or it should be disabled all together until this new wave is defeated.
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You have videos of those instances? 4 Cheaters on 15-20 games sounds a lot, especially for someone who is not livestreaming. So I highly doubt that this is true.
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I really need yall to stop telling people they’re lying just because something isn’t happening to YOU personally or you haven’t seen it with your own eyes. How many people play this game? It’s not outside the realm of possibility that something is actually happening but you personally haven’t seen it. I’ve gotten 3 cheaters in the matches I’ve played in the last 2.5 days that I’ve recorded which is wild because I rarely see cheaters at all in my matches. There’s definitely an major uptick happening and I’m not even a streamer. There’s another streamer right now who has a hacker impersonating them. It is happening a lot more recently whether you’ve seen it or not and whether people are streamers or not.
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I get penalties when my breaker flips and shuts the power to my wifi, xbox, and tv. So much fun.
If I don't want to play in a lobby with fools, cheaters, or tunnelers, then I should be allowed to go next and leave the bot. End the penalties
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One person's experiences don't invalidate another's, but cheating isn't always a blatant thing. Sometimes people you dont think are cheating are, and sometimes people you think are cheating aren't. Its the difference between an observation and an assumption.
The likelihood of that proliferation of cheaters is extremely low, but certainly not impossible. The reason that matters is because a low chance of it happening to one person means that even if it is indeed accurate, there will be few people that have the same degree of misfortune. This is important when discussing issues that are not concrete (i.e observable vs assuming.)
Its the same as people who claim they play against sweaty SWFs in nearly every match. Even killer main streamers don't face seal team 6 nearly every game, so the chances of it happening to randos is considerably lower (though still not impossible, of course.) Unfortunately we focus much more on bad experiences than good subconsciously, so the numbers tend to get internally exaggerated and/or benefit of the doubt gets thrown out.
Either way, video of the matches would both be good for affirming the claim as well as submitting in a report against the players. Ranting lets off steam and misery loves company, but it doesn't actually accomplish anything. Once you add hyperbole (whether intentional or not) it dilutes the value of the complaint.
Edit before this gets taken out of context, I don't feel one way or the other about the claim in the op. I just feel if they did submit video clips like was suggested, they would have a stronger argument than without.
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I absolutely agree with this. As burdensome as the reporting system is, I actually did report all my cheaters with video evidence cuz I know it’s the only way to get anything done.
I’m just not a fan of the claim “That seems like a lot/not a lot so I doubt that happened” that tends to happen on this forum. Thank you’re your perspective.
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I’m with the other skeptics here. I find this very hard to believe. What region are you in? I play US eastern time zone and I haven’t seen an obvious cheater in a very long time. Definitely some suspicious possible subtle cheaters from time to time, but nothing obvious.
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Thats understandable. A lot of misunderstandings in perspective from this game come from that same experience dichotomy between ourselves and the people we disagree with, so unfortunately it comes with the territory a lot when evidence isn't provided. A lot of times it can be supplanted with methodology or theorycrafting, but at the end of the day strong claims tend to require strong evidence. Since the result of the complaint is that they want the DC penalty removed (even if temporarily) the stakes are rather high compared to the usual (I only play against X Killer/SWF/Addon/etc) style of complaints, while simultaneously having less weight behind the reasoning. Due to that I feel its a more relevant request in this case than the usual "I only see Wesker every day/I get hit by X amount of pain resonances every match" tier of claims. Its just both more abstract and more critical.
As for the lesser use cases when people try to dismiss people's experiences? 100% agree. We can learn a lot from people we disagree with, especially regarding this game in particular. Dismissing their experiences since they don't match our own just leads to more tribalism.
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so you will DC if you consider the other players in your match to be “fools” or “tunnelers”? If so, it’s players like you that necessitate the penalty system. It’s to prevent players like you from regularly ruining other people’s games.
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I have a pretty good system for determining what a fool is, and a tunneler. You wanna ruin my game, I should be allowed to ruin yours
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But why do people like you think that OPs experience is the right one and not mine? I will obviously not open a topic a la "I have not faced a Cheater in months", but would that mean that if someone says they faced one, you would jump into the thread and defend my opinion?
This is why I was asking for videos - the chances are much higher that something is not understood and therefore people THINK there is cheating involved compared to actual cheating happening.
IMO the Mods should delete threads like this without actual evidence anyway.
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Obviously cheating is one thing that shouldn't be tolerated, but people tunneling or being a "fool" are just parts of the game. Annoying AF, but part of the game, and you should expect it to some degree. If you aren't willing to deal with them, play something else.
Yeah, while I think some people are simply exaggerating about the number of cheaters they face, the bigger issue is that I think a lot of people are just assuming someone is cheating because there is some legitimate mechanic involved that they don't recognize.
And it's kind of understandable, as all the perks, items, and synergies between them can be hard to keep track of, especially for newer players. Hell, I have 6K hours and I sometimes see something that seems shady and have to take time to scrutinize (and sometimes research) their loadout after the game to identify what happened.
I do see cheaters from time to time, but most of the time something seems off there is actually an valid explanation for it.
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Hens is a popular streamer. Not some 0815-DBD player who will encounter Cheaters far less.
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please, go ahead and keep doing that and see how it works out for you. The rest of us will be better off for it
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For the record, I’m not saying your experience is right or wrong nor am I saying that about the OP. I also do not agree with asking for the DC penalty to be removed because of cheaters, because as Ryuhi points out, that’s a HUGE ask to make of the devs without sufficient evidence ACROSS THE BOARD AMONG A MAJORITY OF PLAYERS that cheating is happening to that extent that a DC penalty would need to be removed.
What I AM saying is that just because something may not be happening to you personally doesn’t mean others aren’t experiencing it. So to make the comment that something seems like a lot to you, so therefore it’s not true or must not be happening is not a proper judge of it not happening. Again we all play in different servers at different times of day. I’ve had people who play on the EU servers tell me that toxic gameplay is huge over there with killers constantly BMing on hook and things like that at certain times of the day.
Have I experienced huge amounts of toxic gameplay? No. Not personally. But I’m not on the EU servers and I don’t play at the same time of day as those people. So what would I look like telling someone “I don’t experience that at all so I doubt that’s happening to you”? I’d look like a jerk invalidating someone else’s experiences just because it’s not mine. That’s garbage.
I think if you aren’t experiencing a ton of cheaters then that’s valid. That’s YOUR experience. The difference here is I’m not telling you that you’re lying or implying that you’re lying for saying you personally don’t experience tons of cheaters.
It’s totally fine to suggest that someone should have proper evidence of something happening if they’re asking the devs to take a specific course of action because of it ie removing the DC penalty.
What’s not fine imo is telling someone they’re lying (or in your words “I highly doubt that this is true”) because they’re saying they’re experiencing something that you yourself haven’t seen.
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Then I hope you are cool with going from 4 cheaters in 15-20 games to 15-20 games ending with one or multiple people letting their go-next-mentality run free ruining the match because they didn't like something.
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15-20? I feel like it's like 1 in 50 games at best, but maybe you are high MMR player, in that case I bet the % rate to find cheater is higher.
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I'm in EU and I'm seeing ALOT of cheaters. I've had the same Nurse like 5 times now in the past two weeks alone (yesterday had the same nurse twice)
We have bots so just remove DC penalty.
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No! No more disabled DC penalties! It destroys the likelihood of no one DC'ing in solo queue. Isn't that what all the complaints are about?
I get that there's cheaters. Just report them, ask the devs to ban them, and that's all you can do. Nothing good has ever come of free DCs.
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I respect that this is your opinion and I know you are frustrated, but please let's keep the forum rules in account and not advocate for negative gameplay behaviors in any direction.
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Forget the number of cheaters, how the f*ck are you playing 20 matches per day?
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So you're lumping in cheaters with tunnelers as a reason to DC? That basically destroys any argument you make for disabling DC penalties. Can you not see that people being able to DC for free just makes them do it more? Even in winning matches that will then become losses?
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I agree we should not mess around with the DC penalties like that. Actually I think the third or fourth one should even be a heavier lock. But time and time again we have seen the evil things that happen every time those penalties have to be off for whatever reason.
Like most players I do wish their reporting system was much less a burden and so cumbersome. Few actually record their games in the first place. I bet many many more legit bans would be happening if reporting wasn't as difficult and annoying as it is.
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I haven’t encountered a cheater in at least 6 months and I’m very high mmr. I don’t believe this.
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This is an absolute fact. The reporting system of having to record your own matches and then upload the videos to your own YouTube and send a link is so burdensome. All because their support form is garbage and won’t let you upload more than a 1 MB screenshot without giving you a hard time. I get needing to have evidence of something, so even if we say having to record our own matches is valid, (I still think they should have in game recording on their end for us to use) the fact that their own support form is so horrible that people have to upload to their own YouTube channels because you simply cannot attach a video is beyond unacceptable.
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Everybody loves saying they have very high MMR when in reality none of us actually know our MMR. We can guess a range maybe, but none of us knows for a fact where we sit.
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They've said in the past that it's too late to add in a match replay system, that it's pretty much impossible now and it would have had to been coded in back in 2016.
And our precious Switch cousins had their ability to record removed many years back "for game performance reasons.". So I have no idea what they're supposed to even do to report.
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It seems that some people are still not aware of these "hacker nurse" killers which are in some games these days. Or maybe it is only a regional thing? I play in the EU region.
If you have not yet come across such a game, I recorded a few of them over the last 3-4 days and I had several more of these games that I didn't record.
Here is another recording that clearly shows that the killer is in fact a scripted bot, because apparently its pathfinding went wrong in that game and it got stuck to a wall:
If these bots run for 24 hours a day, probably thousands of players are affected by the disconnection penalties.
Everytime I have such a hacker nurse game, I do report the killer for using exploits via the ingame report system. And I have already gotten ingame confirmations that actions were taken about my reports. Luckily I had not have any of those hacker games yesterday, perhaps some of the accounts are already banned.
The Steam forum is also full of topics with complaints about this problem:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/603022770850292157/ https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/603023006927730557/ https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/603023108354396724/ https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/603023006927763561/ https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/603022770850248573/ https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/603022666611370975/ https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/20/603023108354369036/ https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/603022666611306054/ https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/603022666611302094/ https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/603022666611327767/
I agree that the disconnection penalties are very annoying because they can quickly accumulate to 15 minutes and more. As long as this cheater problem is not fully solved, perhaps the penalty should at least be limited to 1 minute.
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