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Deliberately hiding from the killer
so I was up against spirit, and 1 teammate offed himself on his 1st hook on 5 gens, second one got tunneled, so we are in 1v2 at 4 gens.. then I get downed and slugged because killer apparently wanted 4K (understandable). I get picked up by teammate and again, I get downed again… Rinse and repeat 3-4 times (I was about 10 seconds away from bleeding out) and we manage to fully reset.. Me and my teammate were doing gens, but at extremely slow rate, so basically we were hiding from the killer almost the entire match. After getting downed for the final time, I get killed and my teammate still managed to hop in the hatch. In the end game chat killer told us we were gonna get banned for "holding the game hostage" even though hiding was the intended when developing DBD right? I told him he could've ended game prematurely just by hooking me and not slug, and prevent stalling while completely ignored my argument and also threatened to report this match to BHVR support..
Here's the actual question:
Is deliberately hiding from the killer (almost) the entire match considered "holding the game hostage" and will I get temporary ban for it? However his massive ego stalled the game for another 6-10 minutes via slugging, and not to mention he had the countless opportunities to hook me and end the game prematurely?
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All though not bannable that's actually crazy work for amount time getting downed I'd atleast let them get the hook lmfao
if you were knocked
(dont listen to me im a killer main)
but yeah its not bannable your good still kinda petty tho-1 -
as long as you were doing gens and making progress no, even if it’s painfully slow progress. You were doing your best to try to win in an odds attacked against you situation.
Anyways they’ll be changing the game soon anyways with a health update to stop excessive hiding.In short no, you’re not going to get banned, because you were making progress.
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Killer should of just hooked the 3rd survivior and then tried to close hatch.
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If I'm hiding for the purpose of not dying, because I'm on death hook and me dying early will drastically increase the likelihood of us losing, but I'm still progressing the match, then I'll do it. But if it's like, "We're probably losing this anyway," I'll just do the gens and chases I can.
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I mean…. You have no reason to complain in my opinion. I get it, it can be frustrating, but it's not the killers fault your teammate DC'd. You also say that his ego kept the match going? thats a little hypocritical because your ego refused to let yourself get caught and make the game last forever. No one should be punished for it and there is no right side. Killer could have made it easier and quicker by deciding to hook the third when he couldnt find you and you could have made the game easier and quicker by deciding to just do gens, attempt to save, ETC until you were caught instead of hiding, just to get it over with and move onto the next one. Youre just as petty with just as large of an ego as the killer.
I get where youre coming from, but theres times when you just need to accept the loss and move onto to the next one, rather then putting yourself through the frustration. This goes for the killer in your situation as well
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You won't get banned because this is not holding the game hostage. That rule applies only if Survivors refuse to touch gens and are only sneaking around / locker hopping to avoid getting crows. But since you were both picking each other up and trying to complete gens, however slowly, you were both attempting to complete your objectives. The Killer should really have hooked instead of slugging, yet they chose to waste their own time and yours by not doing so. Personally, I always hook in situations like this. If a Survivor gets hatch, it's no big deal. We really need to move on from an emblem system and challenges that require a 4K to pip up / complete. It's not healthy.
But yes, it's tedious and frustrating for both sides to be stuck in this kind of game. I hope BHVR are working on making this a thing of the past.
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No, you won't be banned
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Typical spirit mains indeed, always full of egos. No you wont get banned cause you tried but its sad how soon survivors doing their job of surviving will be punished and yet killers can always slug for 4k instead of hooking third and not be punished.
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Apologies but his ego refused himself to get caught and made the game last forever? The killer kept slugging him, there is a reason why there is a healing mechanic, so you can heal teammates if they are injured or, for example, in the dying state, the purpose of the game is to not get caught so why would he allow himself to get caught? Maybe it's just me but that seems rather ridiculous good sir and did you not hear them say they were doing gens, progressing, though at an incredibly slow rate because there was only them and one other. They never said it was the Killer's fault that their teammate DC'd either. It may seem hypocritical and that they are "just as petty with just as large of an ego as the killer" in Narnia, however, this is planet Earth mate. @rainykee don't worry, you're good, the killer was just pissing and moaning, you won't get banned for it, keep on playing
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More hypocrisy. Isn't it the killers duty to kill all 4 survivors no matter what? everyone's complaining about the killer but the only thing they did wrong was throw a fit. In what i said, both of them are in the wrong and if the killer has an ego for not hooking the survivor and slugging because they want a win then the survivor is just as guilty of the same thing. Also, the survivors "purpose" Is not to hide. It is to escape. Hiding may be necessary but nothing is going to change or happen if youre just hiding and what i meant with the doing gens thing is to commit to it. Not hide the moment you hear a heartbeat. Take the Aggro and try to loop/distract the killer while your teamates do gens. We can have different opinions on this, but the survivor is just as guilty of what they are complaining about.
again. Both things can be true. The survivor hiding made the game last way longer than necessary just as much as the killer refusing to hook. Two wrongs don't make a right. Im not siding with either of them.
Also looking at what everyones saying is crazy… What buggy bug said
"its sad how soon survivors doing their job of surviving will be punished and yet killers can always slug for 4k instead of hooking third and not be punished."
In what way are the survivors "punished" for surviving? Are you not asking to punish killers for doing their job killing? it's their job to kill all of the survivors no matter what… Crazy.
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Crazy? Mate, all I'm saying is that he ain't got no ego, it's not his fault the killer decided to slug, why should HE have to let himself get caught? That's stupidity, you saying his ego refusing him to get caught and make the game last forever isn't his fault, he was simply surviving. Also, they weren't complaining, they were just saying that he could've just hooked instead of leaving someone slugged on the floor, which could've ended the game earlier. You said that the killer could've ended the game earlier by hooking and the survivor could've ended the game earlier by doing gens, however they legit said they were, but they were, it was progressing slowly because there was only TWO of them. He said that because the gens were very slow, so that they were basically hiding. Also, from what it seemed, it seemed more like the killer was complaining, yapping about how they were gonna get banned and that they were saying the killer could've prevented it if they hooked instead of slugging.
It's really not that heavy mate, it seems as if you took it a tad bit personal, though it isn't, I'm just saying that what I think of your opinions doesn't seem right to me, yet, others may agree.
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Weird response. Nothings personal about it. Im just stating my thoughts on it. That's it lol. You questioned my stance and i defended it. Youre also ignoring pretty much everything i stated….
"That's stupidity, youre saying his ego refusing him to get caught and make the game last forever" All i was saying that if the killer has an ego for wanting to 4k for the win then the survivor has an ego for hiding to survive. Its the same concept on opposite sides. Not hard to grasp that. Thats the only point i was trying to make. People are being too harsh on the killer for just wanting to win but not holding the survivor to the same standard.
"You said that the killer could've ended the game earlier by hooking and the survivor could've ended the game earlier by doing gens, however they legit said they were, but they were, it was progressing slowly because there was only TWO of them. He said that because the gens were very slow, so that they were basically hiding." Yes, but if you had actually took in what i was saying you would be able to understand the point i was making. If there's 2 people left and 1 is constantly slugged with 4 gens it's a lost game and everyone knows it. There's a point when you should cut your loses and just get out. Nothing is going to happen by just crouching around tapping a gen for a few seconds then hiding when you hear the heartbeat. Especially when you have a team mate alive. Take aggro, lead a chase and either die and move on while your team mate does gens or has a shot at hatch. Is it really that worth it to sit there and frustrate yourself hiding and waiting just for a chance at hatch?
All i was stating is that the survivor in this situation isnt much better than the killer in the aspect of what happened in game and i dint like his initial "ego" comment he made because it was stupid and it's more stupid that people seem to think that the killer had an ego for playing for the win. It's just silly.
(Ps saying "He aint got no ego" is you basically agreeing with me by saying he did have an ego lol)
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He ain't got no ego means he doesn't have any ego. Ain't got no is like… a colloquial way of saying doesn't have any. Also, the killer kinda did have an ego, exclaiming, "You're gonna get banned! How dare you! You're gonna get banned for holding this game hostage!" It just seems kinda weird to me how you say the killer doesn't have an ego yet they said they were gonna report them and get them banned for "holding the game hostage." Also, I'm not getting mad at the killer for slugging, everybody does eventually, though it isn't healthy for the game, it happens, it's just weird the killer is getting mad saying, "You're getting banned for holding hostage." even though they had slugged and could've ended the game earlier. They were complaining the game was too long and was held hostage when they could've just hooked the survivor. Also X3, I didn't ignore everything you said, I never said that it's bad for him trying to get a 4k, however, he was complaining whilst slugging, like, c'mon man, you can't complain WHILE slugging, if you wanted the game to end earlier, he should've just hooked, that's all mate.
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My guy, do not read the changes coming? Survivors aura will now be revealed to the killer's when its the last two when gens or nothing is being done.
It a bannable offense as in bvhr's rule that survivors ( the last 2) doing nothing is reportable which is 0 sense cause that is what the term surviving mean which is usually an unwinnable situation when its down to just 2.
Killers have abudances of perks to find survivors like good old spies and whispers can even work if they decide to use lockers. Yes killers should be punished for being greedy slugging third for fourth when the third willingly show themselves up to move on to the game.
Its like what you killers want? Last two hiding you complain but if third player show themselves you slug and look for fourth. A 3k is a win for me and I care not if the 4th get away oh well it aint the end of the world and am not getting 1million dollar prize. My viewers to me as a streamer is more important than 4k.
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You really do lack basic comprehension skills… When did i say the killer didnt have an ego? "aint got no" is a double negative. I get what you were saying by it. Just awful grammar thats kind of a pet peeve of mine. sorry. Again my point is the survivor was doing the same thing essentially as the killer slugging. Complaining about slugging for a 4k is just stupid. How is a survivor desperately hiing for an escape any different from a killer desperately slugging for the 4k. It's a survivors job to escape and a killers job to kill all of the survivors. For the millionth time my point was to not go after the killer when the survivor is doing the equivocal on the survivor side. Neither are wrong and neither are right. I also stated multiple times that i dont condone what the killer said end game. im speaking Soley on the actions during the game.
Im not fully defending the killer. Just saying that theres no reason to support and defend the survivor.
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If it's an unwinnable situation there's %100 an issue when the survivors are doing nothing. I don't think their aura should be revealed. Do you really think thay just lounging around the map doing nothing is "surviving" you survive by escaping. By hiding and doing nothing you will never escape and if the killer can't find you the game will never end.
Don't be a hypocrite. You're saying if killers don't want to be stuck, unable to find the survivors they should preemptively use perks to help them in case that happens. Yet complain about slugging when there's plenty of perks to counter slugging.
If you don't personally go for the 4k that's fine there's nothing wrong with that but don't go after anyone else for it. You can't defend hiding while going after slugging. Two survivors hiding can be indefinitely theoretically. A survivor bleeds out in 4 minutes. There's definitely a difference between the two.
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Breathe, you will be ok.
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it’s not that people don’t comprehend what you’re saying, it’s that you’re taking a situation that didn’t happen and implanting it into the topic, while simultaneously belittling people for not understanding. What you’re talking about is an entirely different topic not related to op’s question.
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Everything I have stated is relevant and applies lol please tell me what I implanted
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What a great response. I'll take that as you have no way of refuting what I said lol. gg
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it’s not though a lot of what you said is just opinion. Aside from all the this and that, but what if this, and personal feelings on the situation. It’s this simple was op making progress ? If yes , then no ban. Checks ops post, says was doing gen. That’s it. All of everything else is just unnecessary information, personal feelings, and belittling. People aren’t entitled to a win just because the conditions suit them better. You say they shouldn’t hide the entire time, and to that i agree, but checks notes op says they were making slow progress while playing tactfully. Making most of what you say irrelevant. If survivors want to win in that situation the best move is to not get in chase at all and try to do gens when the coast is clear, otherwise it’s just hatch, but checks notes, seems like they were trying to stay alive and be a team player for a chance at the door since one other person was still alive. That’s not ego. He’s on the team side, trying to help both of them not just him, or just throwing so the last person might can get hatch. It’s an asymmetrical horror pvp game. Some people rise to the challenge in adverse situations, some don’t. So while you get the killers job is to kill, survivors job isn’t be in chase or offer yourself up, it’s to escape. Anyways long live stealth 🤘
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Yeah, honestly that aura update is going to be kinda crazy. I have never had a pair of survivors manage to both hide long enough for me to get annoyed at the situation, much less be something that would come close to holding the game hostage. In that context, aura reading seems a bit much. Killer instinct feels more appropriate, since it forces the killer to still hunt, but also isn't blocked by lockers. In that way, killer instinct generates a tense hunt that I find fun :)
I get that crazy hiding does happen occasionally because people do talk about it, but I've seen more instances of survivors taking a coordinated jog in a line around stuff on the map than I've seen this. Admittedly, a couple times, I've managed to join the survivors for a group jog.
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"In what i said, both of them are in the wrong and if the killer has an ego for not hooking the survivor and slugging because they want a win then the survivor is just as guilty of the same thing." What this implies is that you didn't think the killer has an ego, yet, if they were to, so would the survivor, would it not? Everybody and there aunt knows what that means mate, ain't got a reason to be nitpicking mate. Also, you NEVER stated that you didn't condone what the killer said, not once good sir. also sir, if you want to speak about grammatical errors, it is spelt solely.
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As long as you are trying to progress the game, which means doing gens even if it's for just a few seconds at a time, you are fine
Thats why my suggestion to end these kind of situations is to give the killer the power to start EGC when 2 survivors are left in the game.
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Picking up and dropping your item repeatedly bypasses AFK crows, so excessive hiding update won't do anything lol.
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"everyone's complaining about the killer but the only thing they did wrong was throw a fit."
That was in my literal first response to you lol.
""In what i said, both of them are in the wrong and if the killer has an ego for not hooking the survivor and slugging because they want a win then the survivor is just as guilty of the same thing." What this implies is that you didn't think the killer has an ego, yet, if they were to, so would the survivor, would it not?"
That's very obviously not the point I was making so don't misconstrue my words. I was saying that the killer doesn't have an ego for wanting to win and if he does have an ego for wanting to win then so does the survivor. That's so painfully easy to comprehend.
Theres also a major difference between making an ignorant double negative sentence that grammatically doesn't make sense from a spelling error clearly made from typing too fast lol. Good try though mate.
It's really not that heavy mate, it seems as if you took it a tad bit personal
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I agree, if the game is lost and my one remaining teammate is just hiding, I'm not gonna extend it just for the heck of it.
The point of the game as surv is to avoid death and escape, if escape is no longer a realistic outcome, I'll die in chase or pushing a gen. There are limits to "but the point is to avoid death". I don't mean to seem like I'm condoning going next, I'm talking about like there's 4 gens still up and only two of us are left; a real "the game is effectively over" scenario.
And what if you avoid being found for an hour? You've lost anyway, wasted your own time, and gained nothing. Pointless.
And let's be honest, just immersing and trying not to be found may be the easiest thing to do in DbD, you're not even using any skill. There's no fun in it.
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hopefully they keep that in mind when introducing the excessive hiding mechanic. I know it’s been mentioned a few times.
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Crazy that this is what ive been saying the whole time yet you criticized me for it… The only part that people have an issue with is me saying that the survivor should have cut his losses and if the killer has an ego for wanting to slug for a 4k then a survivor trying to hide and stay alive for as long as possible is in the same boat. It's also pretty obvious that hiding is worse than slugging. At least someone is only slugged for 4 minutes before bleeding out. A survivor can hide indefinitely if the killer cant find them. Which everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that in the OP they state that the killers ego stalled the game by them slugging. Therefor they are accusing the killer of having an ego, not because of the EGC but by him slugging. Thats all my initial point was.
"So while you get the killers job is to kill, survivors job isn’t be in chase or offer yourself up, it’s to escape. Anyways long live stealth"
Yet here you say if escape isn't realistic you'll die in a chase and push gens. Ive said that so many times lol. Also ive stated that my comments arent just referring to the initial commenter its the slugging debate as a whole and i was criticizing what other people were saying on it. Maybe read all of my comments before coming to a judgement and i mean actually read. Not scan without taking in the information or find 1 or 2 points to grasp on.
4 gens with 2 survivors left and 1 of you being a few seconds away from bleeding out and the other is actively slugged, escapes not a realistic outcome in that case.
"but checks notes, seems like they were trying to stay alive and be a team player for a chance at the door since one other person was still alive."
Team player for a chance at the door? That was unrealistic. Its very clear it was a game of attrition until one of the was full dead. Now it sounds like neither one of them wanted the other one to die, but in that case it's best to let one bleed out and get hatch. It's very clearly hopeless and all youre doing is stalling and dragging the game along.
In the OP they stated "Me and my teammate were doing gens, but at extremely slow rate, so basically we were hiding from the killer almost the entire match."
You read that correctly? At that point it seems like theyre occasionally taping a gen for a handful of seconds at best before hiding. That doesnt exactly sound like doing generators.
"Take aggro, lead a chase and either die and move on while your team mate does gens or has a shot at hatch."
Is something that i stated in a previous comment. You literally say practically the same thing as to how you should handle an unwinnable situation.
You implied that people are comprehending my point yet it's painfully obvious that you yourself arent.
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What are you on about? I didn't even respond to or quote you here. I didn't even read your posts until just now, lol. My comments were in response to another post that was made before you said anything, and I didn't criticize you or miscomprehend your point because I didn't read it.
Calm down, buddy.
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Because youre criticizing me on one point then turning around and agreeing with it in response to someone else lol it's hypocritical. Im allowed to defend my stance when people want to twist my words and not even acknowledge or comprehend what i even said.
"Calm down" Is just a cop out for you to not acknowledge or respond to any point i made lol. You made your bed now lay in it instead of just saying "calm down". Im calm but ill continue to defend my stance when you want to leave out important details and context
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No, I just thought I should give you a taste of your own medicine since you dislike typing errors so much yet are very much prone to them. That also is exactly what I said about the whole "ego" thing, I said the exact same thing you JUST said my guy. You say that wasn't the point yet just said practically the same thing I said, it's so painfully easy to comprehend mate. Also, it wasn't ignorant, a double negative sentence? Like, bro, you aren't my college professor, EVERYBODY knows what that means, and if I wanted to go there, "lol" isn't a word, yet you used it, showing your ignorance, at least by your morality, from what I am getting from you, thank you, have a wonderful rest of your day good sir.
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What a pointless and still ignorant comment to make lol at least make some semblance of a coherent argument.
"That also is exactly what I said about the whole "ego" thing, I said the exact same thing you JUST said my guy. You say that wasn't the point yet just said practically the same thing I said, it's so painfully easy to comprehend mate."
This whole tangent you went on has 0 context and makes 0 sense. I said a lot at least state what part of my reply you're referring to with this lol. Maybe don't show any of this to your professor. They'd probably flunk you.
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Yeah, like at some point you just admit "We've lost." All the other games of this genre at least had players who understood that, and didn't demand anything extra be given to them. If I was in a losing match on Friday The 13th, I'd just do as long a chase as I could, even if there was 10 minutes left on the clock and no realistic way of escaping.
And you're right. There's no skill in hiding. The killer just cannot physically get you... because he can't find you. That's why Ochido's video of "I juked Tru3" from back in the day was such a joke, because he hid for all of 5-10 seconds, on those old dark maps, when we all know survivors make zero sound at random times.
The devs have to realize that sometimes, and I mean sometimes, your audience does not know what's best for them. Most survivors on this game are ultra casual, and would hide forever if they could, because the killer doesn't have anything at base except the AFK crows to find them. But even the experienced survivors can take advantage of it. The devs need to push looping as the skillful thing. Don't get rid of stealth altogether. Survivors can have their Dance With Me, Quick & Quiet, Lucky Break, etc. But leaving it up to mere chance for the killer to find people, when they've just been hiding for 5 minutes, that's not fair/fun for the killer player. You've got to give the killer a "closing out the game" mechanic. Survivors have hatch for free and that's never questioned. Why can't killers have something?
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At least someone gets it. Though i dont think hiding/slugging/tunneling/camping should be tweaked too much if at all. Theres a few changes id like, but theyre really not necessary to change (other than item cycling to avoid crows. thats annoying for everyone involved. killers and survivors.). As frustrating as these things can be they've been here forever and trying too hard to correct these "issues" will more than likely lead to more problems and balancing issues down the line. It definitely can suck sometimes, but at some point, in a match you just gotta get out for your own sanity.
It's always nice to have a development team that listens to its players. However, a game that listens to its players too much is just as bad if not worse than a game that doesn't listen at all.
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Well, I'm tired of arguing, I'm going to take myself a damned nap, good day.
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Lol. Imagine
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imagine what? I just got tired, called forfeit and took a nap, plus, I was up for way too long yesterday, I needed a nap 💀
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I wouldnt say ud get banned. Their upcomjng changes would kinda force you to do gens anyway and the person hiding wouldve been easier to find. But yea the killer is at fault for being so afraid of hatch as they were avoiding the objective just as much.
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Bhvrs general policy is that you won't get banned as long as a reasonable effort is made to TRY to advance the game state.
I've stalled out games for 15+ minutes in the 1v2 and have never gotten banned. That's because I keep making "attempt" to do s generator but typically the killer has too much mobility like Wraith, Blight or Spirit or the other survivor is actively working with the killer.
If you're caught in a never ending stalemate, you have no obligation to concede. as long as you're waiting for a chance. Especially in the 1v2, that typically puts you in the clear because it's the killer dragging the game out. Dropping items while trying to slowly poke a gen or wait until a slug bleeds out isn't a crime.
At this point you're too far in to give up anyways because killers get upset when they find somebody they think is a rat so they'll bleed them out or find some other way to punish them and waste their time. So you have to commit all the way.
Hatch exists to end games that are already over. Other people having an emotional reaction to a survivor going out the hatch isn't the survivors problem. I practice what I preach...just end the game, folks.
So a survivor might think they outplayed you when you in fact showed mercy. So what?
Just as a clarification...I'll go out my way to be friendly and spare a survivor if I sense a REAL rat. Rats and sandbaggers hurt to see even as a killer.
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