I also still don't get why they don't take into consideration Hooked Survivors either. Just means in the event that the last two are down or one is hooked and other chased, it falls onto the Hooked survivor "going next" to politely let the Killer have the Mori if they down the last survivor, or the Killer waiting out the Hook stages of all other survivors to kill the last survivor.

Sure, if it took Hooked Survivors into consideration there could be some edge-cases where the Hooked Survivor had a self-unhook perk available to use, but those cases would be far fewer than the above annoyance.

I call bs. This happens so rarely. Lol

I dont think it should be reverted but changed rather.

Here is my idea for a new Unlock Condition for mori:

When all 4 survivors are alive AND on death hook, only then Mori becomes unlocked for the killer. This way killers have to work for mori instead of it being handed to them. The mori becomes more of a rare, special event. Due to all survivors needing to be alive and on death hook for activation, it should additionally reduce tunneling. When it has been successfully unlocked, a glowing red mori skull will be displayed next to the hook counter for killer.

I've thought from the moment the finisher mori was implemented that if all remaining survivors other than the last survivor is on hook and second stage, then you should be able to mori the last survivor. Realistically the game is over at that point, and nobody can self unhook because they're in second stage. Bonus points if starting the mori animation on the last survivor also immediately sacrifices the survivors on hook in struggle stage.

If we reworked Slipper Meat and Luck and removed self unhooks outside of Deli and Wicked, then this could even happen from first stage as long as no self unhook perks were in play.

Indeed. I'm still genuinely surprised they haven't made customisable moris a thing as it's another thing they can sell

Yeah, but I mean it in the sense that they haven't expanded it further in which moris aren't locked to cosmetics but interchangeable.

Obviously those visceral (or whatever they called them) moris can only be used on those specific cosmetics because of the animations fitting with model. If we could have more of a variation on mori animations it wouldn't be as boring seeing the same ones over and over again especially older rubbish ones like Trapper and Wraith.

Knowing Behaviour they'd probably keep them available to purchase for auric cells only.

Hatch doesn't cause slugging for 4k. Just because an obstacle to a person's goal exists, that doesn't mean the obstacle is causing that person to find a way to simply circumvent the obstacle. Imagine if someone running hurdles just decided to go around the hurdles because they're in the way, and then told other people that what they did is a totally valid tactic to win the race. In DbD, the main difference is that bypassing the obstacle hasn't been made strictly against the rules yet.

Hatch was implememted because of a fundamental flaw in the game design: Killers are meant to sacrifice the survivors while survivors are meant to survive and escape the trial. On it's own, that's not a problem. But if the game snowballs, one survivor will be left to do two or more gens, which is a hopeless situation. At that point, the game should naturally shift to the last survivor hiding and trying to very slowly work generators. The survivor can't escape the trial if they're sacrificed, so they hide. But people broadly don't like this for a couple reasons. Most killers find it boring, and most survivors find it hopeless and possibly boring also.

Hatch is designed to prevent this from happening. It provides a realistic way for the last survivor to escape, giving them a reason to play out the endgame. By doing that, it also prevents a long drawn-out game of hide-and-seek since the survivor has a strong incentive to actively try to escape. Meanwhile, the hatch mechanic is designed in a way that still favors the killer: the killer has higher move speed than the survivor, and doesn't need to hide if the survivor shows up. In that way, hatch solves the problem of a long hide-and-seek match which naturally would be the end of almost every game otherwise. The killer maintains their good outcome for the match (they have their 3k locked in), and are likely to still get a 4k. But now the survivor literally can't hide forever because egc will trigger if hatch is closed.

Slugging for 4k happens because some players refuse to be satisfied with anything but a practically guaranteed 4k. The killer will still win most hatch races, but some players nevertheless want to get an easy fourth kill by forcing the game into exactly the state hatch was meant to prevent. Hatch isn't causing slugging for 4k, players wanting an easy fourth kill is what's causing it.

Ugh... I'm so tired of seeing that kind of dismissive response. I am not new to the game, nor am I unaware that slugging for 4k happened before the finisher mori.

You might notice that my comment didn't mention the finisher mori at all. Instead, it was addressing this idea that hatch causes slugging for 4k. It simply does not. Slugging for 4k could not exist without hatch, but hatch does not cause slugging for 4k. It's the same way that carjackings cannot exist without cars, but cars do not cause carjackings.

If you disagree with that thought process, it would be great to hear why you think that way. I tend to be happy to discuss things when someone explains why they think the way they do :)

it was not ment as dismissive or demeaning in any way, but i legit dont have any way of know how long you played, and i think the fact that you claim that slugging for 4k was not a thing before the base-kit mori suggested that you were new. I am sorry if you took offense to that.

You might notice that my comment didn't mention the finisher mori at all. Instead, it was addressing this idea that hatch causes slugging for 4k. It simply does not. Slugging for 4k could not exist without hatch, but hatch does not cause slugging for 4k. It's the same way that carjackings cannot exist without cars, but cars do not cause carjackings.

Same can be said about the base-kit mori.

You claim that it have become more common now, because of the finisher mori. - This is what i am challenging.

Do you really wanna see that same mori every 15 minutes? - Yeah its cool the first time, and perhaps the 5 first times, but at some point it just becomes marginal how cool it is to watch it over and over.

The only reason i use it, if i am playing killer, is to save time going to the hook (this saves time for both sides).

Do you want both sides to have more wasted time? because that is what will happen if the mori gets removed. The slugging for the 4k will still happen, just as it did before the basekit-mori was implemented.

Please, and I mean this as politely as possible, show me where in the comment of mine that you replied to that I said anything at all about the finisher mori.

You'll find that's not possible because I said nothing about it in this thread. Furthermore, you have accused me of saying things I have never said at all in my life.

This feels like the equivalent of me going to a member of the forum who I know thinks tunneling is a fine strategy and starting a debate with them even though they didn't say anything about it.

Perhaps you've confused me with the op?

lol No worries :)

I do tend to agree somewhat with the op about the finisher mori, so maybe I'll put some comment here about it soon and then we can discuss that too. But for now I had just been very confused about the direction of the conversation.

Thanks for entertaining my responses until we figured it out :)