Incentivizes 3 genning

They just needed to change the AFK crow logic so that only working on a generator resets the timer. At the moment you can just pick up/put down an item to reset the timer.

Actually, they might be doing just that. I think this change might be targeted at hackers. At the moment, hackers can hold killers hostage and force them to DC by making themselves unhookable.

I don't know if it will be enough, the hackers could just complete 1 generator every 10 minutes and still hold the killer hostage for 50 minutes.

If you slug, camp or tunnel early in the match. Why would anyone want to play a normal match with you? You want people not to hide and draw the game out then stop drawing the game out or looking for a cheap advantage. Majority of people playing killer looking to do those things stick around in end game chat go get people riled up. You waste other players time they then they will waste yours. Pretty simple

Who cares how someone plays? Do you have a problem with someone playing killer they way they want? Isn't that point of the game... to survive. This is the hypocrisy in this community. Righteous for thee, but everyone else's way of playing is wrong and bad for the game.

If it gets to point where people are able to use the surrender option survivors shouldn't get escape points and killers shouldn't get kill points. That way neither side "wins" by putting the other side into a situation where they are given the surrender option.

Absolutely idiotic take. There are unfun strategies on BOTH sides which is the responsibility of the devs to address. Players are quite free to point these out.

Why was distortion changed? Why was skull merchant gutted if the people who enjoyed playing her were happy?

Because the devs recognised that whilst one individual may have fun with certain elements of the game, these elements cannot be allowed to ruin the enjoyment of the game for the majority.

I don't see why surrendering would be a win for the other side, or why it would increase MMR (be a win)…

I don't see how letting the Killer leave if the Survivors do nothing would be considered a Survivor win either. That seems more like a Killer win because the Survivors never engaged in the game or weren't enough of a challenge. In fact I'd arhue it is a Killer win, and it should pip everyone who didn't quit, but not raise their MMR, as a "sorry about that" measure. Just… one free pip.

HOnestly just make pipping braindead easy and points not be tied to it. You played the round through or had people quit on you? Pip. You DC? Depip. You win the round? Double Pip.

Easy as, no more of this byzantine system of counting how much you did in the game. Did you play the whole round, and did you get a 3k/escape through a hatch or door? That should be ALL that counts for a pip.

I'm sorry, I forgot I'm on the internet and people will take the most bad faith interpretation humanly possible to a general statement you made.

"Aha, you said that the survivor should need to make meaningful progress towards the game state instead of sitting in a corner and dropping their item repeatedly in order to get rid of crows. Clearly this means you think that survivors should accumulate crows for being on the hook or healing."

I do that already lol.

It's not bad faith, it's taking exactly what you wrote. You deliberately said "gen progress", not "advancing the game". So all of those points would have to be special exceptions in this system, at least as you described it.

I even said at the bottom, you could ignore all of that and it's still a bad idea.

If you genuinely want a discussion (which I'm not sure you do, since you simply dismissed everything, and didn't try to rebut a single point) then please explain how this should work around the "slug for the 4k" problem. And to be clear, that's 4 minutes waiting for your teammate to bleed out, a minute or so of hatch searching, and 2 minutes of EGC that is legitimate hiding, in the killers control, but would identify the survivor unfairly with something like what you described.

So tell me, since nothing you've said explains this, how does your system of "didn't complete a gen recently" deal with this situation fairly for the survivor? Because it sounds like the survivors position gets revealed either way and killer gets a 4k every time.

Hiding is genuinely legitimate gameplay, situationally. Similar to camping, tunneling, and slugging, it's perfectly fine in limited doses, but it's the excessive use of any of those, including hiding, that becomes a problem.

Wrong


The real apples to oranges comparison here is T-Bagging, and getting humped after a slug.


One of the situations there isnt a powerless 2nd party. And is not delaying the game. (T-Bagging)


The other has a person unable to do anything and you are just doing it to delay the game (Slugging)


Summarized:

T-Bagging, typing GGEZ, Emoting, is poor sportsmanship or Bad manners.

Slugging and humping delaying the game until bleedout, when you have the option to hook, is intentionally ruining someones experience or Griefing.

Hope this clarifies the distinction for you between BMING and Griefing.

I'm not going to refute your points because I don't disagree with anything you said, because you're making an actual strawman argument. I wrote that post off the cuff because the main thing I was trying to say is that dropping and picking up your item repeatedly wards off AFK crows, which is the main thing survivors could do to abuse the new 10 minute surrender thing.

But you're arguing against the specific wording I used instead of the spirit of what I was saying, which is that only meaningful actions to advance the game should ward off AFK crows.

Do you seriously think I was trying to argue that survivors should get AFK crows for healing or being on the hook? I'm not insane.

You are getting side tracked on something I havent said.

Quoting to me what the devs think is not what this conversation is about.


I am telling you the difference between griefing and bming.

And I am giving you literal definitions of them. If you want to disagree with them tell me why, quoting something the devs have put about report reasons is not why you disagree with them.


For reference again:

T-Bagging, typing GGEZ, Emoting, is poor sportsmanship or Bad manners.

Slugging and humping delaying the game until bleedout, when you have the option to hook, is intentionally ruining someones experience or Griefing.

It seems you are stuck on something I havent brought up which is the rules of the game and what is reportable or not as said by the devs/community managers. Im not talking about what is reportable or not

I have clarified twice now. I don't know what else to say.

"Meaningful actions to progress the game"

Do you think standing on the edges of the map and dropping and picking up your item repeatedly should ward off AFK crows?

How about this: if you have spent 10 minutes in the match without touching a generator, being on hook, or getting chased by the killer, you should probably get AFK crows. There is absolutely no reason why that length of time should have gone by without you doing one of those actions unless you are hiding with malicious intent, either to screw over your allies or to just waste the killer's time.

That seems a lot more reasonable to me than to tell the killer who's stuck with you that they can leave the match without a penalty. They should still present that option though in the event that the reason it's happening is because of a hacker.

And this is what sane people have beem saying for ages now. There's nothing wrong with slugging, camping, tunnelling, or hiding as a normal part of how you play this game. I'd argue it's fundamental TO the game. I'd say there's nothing wrong with a quick slap on the hook or a teabag once or twice either.

There is something very very wrong however with EXCESSIVELY slugging, camping, tunnelling, and hiding, all of which is done to literally give someone a bad time and therefore is griefing. And there is also something very wrong with EXCESSIVELY slapping on hook, shuffling over a downed bleeding Survivor for four minutes, and teabagging in the exit gate when you KNOW you're just doing it to make the other person feel bad. That's ALSO griefing because it's done intentionally to irritate the player and ruin their experience. Excessive BMing is griefing.