Lmao, what's that supposed to mean?

Because I mentioned a counter to an already popular perk, haha?

But people can talk about deciding to not hook people because gen regression is "too weak", right?

Yet that's what I got all game two days ago, so it's a problem if I counter your perk?

Okay, sure I denied a flashlight or flashbang save but at that point I would rather have my team doing gens than a hypothetical flashbang/flashlight save. Edit: that's even if the random Nea can get the flashlight/flashbang save unless they're running Background Player, hovering me the whole time (one person off a gen during my whole chase is horrendous), and potentially or not potentially getting the save - I will take my chances and minimize the general circle of a radius that Surge does to prevent multiple gen regression as a whole.

I saw no one mentioning a Surge counter - even when I take a quick Google search - no counters were discussed.

Possible being that if I go down near generators, 8% is applied like you've mentioned - in combination with other ones like Pain Resonance - usually I play with people - soloq specifically that know how to counter and let go of the gen. Pop Goes The Weasel would also be applied to a further out gen causing more regression as a whole.

Are you arguing against 99ing a door? Sure, if the whole team is reset and you can ensure everybody is able to get out - yes, you can open the door freely. But opting to just open the door to open the door also kills your team depending on the endgame that is presented to itself as survivors can be overly altruistic in general.

There isn't much of an issue with 99ing a door, now if you're 99ing a door and you don't open it when you recognize a survivor is running full speed ahead to you, yes - go ahead and open the door.

People 99 doors specifically to counter endgame perks like NOED (they need time to go and search for the totem), Blood Warden (to prevent the exit gate from being blocked as a whole), and to allow their team to reset and take bodyblocks when necessary.

I wouldn't want a random survivor or my teammate to hover over me for a potential flashlight save or flashbang save - at least I would rather them to be on generators for the best chance of survival as more gens done = the higher chance of getting out of the trial with more people alive as it minimizes tunneling out a survivor.

But again, you're talking to someone who is constantly on gens so I would rather take the locker attempt, have my teammate (they typically do) get off their gen in preparation of Pain Resonance - again, you're thinking I am doing this every time I am in chase which is redundant and assumptions on your part.

If I recognize that the killer has Surge as they will typically down another person and my gen is affected, in my chase with them I will hop into a locker especially if I am near many gens that I know are being worked on. 32 meters is a large radius to encompass for how small gen spreads are. I have had someone go down in the corner of Toba's Landing (opposite side of main) and my generator behind main on the other side is affected, so I'd rather take my chances. 🙃

@ChuckingWong

Brother, you know exactly what I mean when the comment above yours mentions how Surge is niche.

I can talk about multiple things and not particularly be you, I am aware you are calling it niche due to me choosing to deny a perk its value.

I am aware it is niche, hence why I shared it on a game forum … that I am playing ... to other survivors who by the way ... come on here for discussions lol.

Edit: that is what the forums are for, right? It's not just hey, killer main to killer main - let's exchange tips. Imagine me having the most neutral takes on here, along with the neutral topic at hand and I am called an entitled survivor main. My lord, apparently sharing a tip makes you entitled.

Alright, let's go back and forth shall we -

You know, there is a difference between a survivor directing themselves to a jungle gym or main (loads of mid to high MMR survivors do this) - obviously, you will be in situations where a locker is not nearby but to compare this to a killer who relies on lockers isn't a strong argument.

When I loop a killer, my first instinct is to run to tiles where there are pallets that I know from playing for thousands of hours. My first instinct is to spot a pallet, go to the pallet, greed/predrop depending on the killer I am going against and chaining tiles together. Eventually, I am going to reach or at least be near a jungle gym. Again, you are assuming that I am going to take a locker after I get hit. No, if I am looping and I do not know that Surge is active I will not do it because there is no point of doing it.

Comparing ^ to a killer like Dredge who relies on his lockers and having them be a little away from gens and having their lockers locked are a bad comparison. I should know because I've also played Dredge (the survivor main that I am 😜) - these are not comparable. It's easier for me to find a locker to get into to deny, let's say another perk - A BBQ mobility killer, so I can continue doing my generator uninterrupted versus a killer like Dredge that can have it disrupted if they're teleporting to a locked locker or one that is not so accessible near a gen - redundant point and two entirely separate situations.

Maybe if you noticed, that was me pointing out a multitude of issues that were wrong with the game that needs to be addressed for both newcomers and veteran players. I have been saying for the longest time that they need to recognize the WHY people DC and go next, versus continue to ignore these issues that continually persist.

Many people on the forums and even the Reddit itself have posted pictures of gen spawn logic where they still have not fixed, still have done nothing, or even acknowledged it.

Notice how a lot of the maps that you mentioned all have jungle gyms (lockers), main building (lockers), and shack (lockers). You're acting like I am doing this every single time I am in chase - if I'm near a locker, I go into the locker. If I'm not near a locker, I go down normally and crawl to a pallet or crawl outwards in case a flashlight/flashbang save is possible.

You are the one insinuating that I, myself, am always in these perfect situations where a locker is magically nearby for me to go into it. My counterstrategy is works when I am near a locker to deny its value, it is not hard to find a locker to jump into as a survivor and comparing that to killers who rely on lockers is not the same type of argument.

Like I mentioned prior, I can respond to you and what @DarthYooDar45 said.

Sure, you didn't mention that but bringing up a lukewarm argument that Dredge complaints in lockers is the same as a survivor finding a locker isn't the same.

Does Dredge have to go up to a locker and search it to go teleport elsewhere? No.

Dredge pulls up his power, teleports to a locker, that may or may not be locked. Those are two separate actions and comparing both of those are an oversimplification.

You keep going on and on about how unrealistic a locker is for me as a survivor to get into - yet lockers exist in many areas, especially near gens unless they're in a corner where a deadzone is located - still you can walk a few feet and go into a locker - look at Temple of Purgation and Mothers Dwelling as prime examples of these generator spawns.

The whole point was that if you are about to go down, you're near a locker, the killer has Surge, you can deny its value.

You are the one overanalyzing and doing all of these "what about, what about, what about" scenarios that do not matter. If I am near a locker, I go into the locker to prevent Surge. Like @Spare_Them_Mori_Me mentioned, we can have two different playstyles and you can do your little strategy and hope that a survivor is nearby for a save. I would rather have my teammates doing gens and for the MMR bracket that I am in, they do that - they do them separately and don't double anyways.

So, most of the time when I load into a game - all four survivors are doing gens. If someone goes down and I notice Surge, I play around Surge, that is all.

And how does edge map work for the hypothetical attempt of crawling underneath a pallet or having a hovering teammate flashlight save?

Surge still gets value for going edge map regardless - my counter completely voids Surge.

This is my last response because this conversation is going nowhere and it's just, "What about this, what about that, what about here, what about there?"

We're talking in circles at this point, I look forward to others and their responses - thank you for the conversation, Chucking.

No, if you are injured and you are going down - you go into a locker to prevent Surge entirely as it only works when survivors are going into the dying stage.

Example: I know a killer is running Surge because I take a mental note myself (I do this a lot when I play both soloq and with SWF) - I remember that a killer has a specific perk.

Let's say I am in chase chaining loops together and I am about to go down, I am already injured. There is a locker nearby, I am already injured, I completely void Surge from multiple gens in general.

I am aware of "comp corner" and dying in a corner, it still does not prevent Surge from proccing - which is the entire point of what I'm saying.

The difference between pick up off the ground versus locker is negligible - given the scenario is either go into locker to prevent Surge entirely or to have Surge proc on multiple gens if going down.

Going into a corner to prevent Surge, sure - you can do that - but why willingly take yourself to the edge of the map to a complete deadzone to prevent Surge? It still procs regardless unless there is legitimately no gens in the 32 meter radius that you're downed in.

The strategy I said prevents it entirely, which is the point of the post regardless as in an ideal situation dying in a corner involves you willingly putting yourself into a dead zone for a "niche" scenario that we like to throw the word around in.

Relying on a teammate who may or may not help you isn't feasible either, hence why my strategy prevents it as a whole.

How does that relate to the post other than basic ad hominem?

Where do I say that I want survivors to be hand held? On the contrary, as I am sharing a tip to others.

Is this not what the forums are for or should I see myself out somewhere else where people talk about gameplay strategies in a video game we all play?

Where is the handholding in my post, hm? 🙂

Edit: You know, I expect the same discourse when killers decide to give tips to others.

I guess Otzdarva, Scott Jund, and Hens all hand hold killer mains by sharing tips and strategies, correct Mikey?

I'm slowly waiting for myself to be called a Sluzzy, lowkey. I feel it'll come sooner or later. 😂

Lmao, I always kinda laughed when Sluzzy would make a post and everything.

I agreed and disagreed with her at times, more likely I would probably disagree with her if she was still here on the forums.

But I hope that Sluzzy still sees that I will carry her torch, but in a more balanced and respectable way. 😎 Still miss her and her exaggerations at times, however. Forums aren't the same without dear ol' Sluzzy.