Do I HAVE to play Nurse?
So, a couple weeks ago I realized, "Hey, as I get better at this game my rank's gonna rise." Which is cool, right? But I keep hearing all this stuff about how Nurse, Billy and Huntress are the only effective Killers at upper ranks and I'm gonna have to main them if I don't wanna get slammed the second I start rising.
So I figure, "Alright, #########, bring it on." And I start playing the Nurse.
A couple weeks later, I've fully formulated my opinion on the Nurse: Of all the Killers I've played (which is everyone except Bubba, Pig, and Fred), the Nurse is easily my least favorite one to play. Even after I got an idea of how to accurately blink and land hits, she still felt unsatisfying at best and frustrating at worst. I'd look at chases I won and think: "Wow. I could've done the exact same thing with any other Killer by holding W and pressing Mouse 1."
Her Blinks are jarring, annoying, and just generally unfun to use. Every time I play her I think, "I could be playing Doc or Michael right now."
And Huntress, well... she's alright I guess. Same for Billy. But in my honest opinion, Shape is more fun. And Doctor. And Wraith. And Hag, even. And—you get the idea. And yes, I UNDERSTAND Huntress and Nurse are so good because they counter pallets. But I still find them less than fun to play.
I really, REALLY hate playing Nurse. But I also really, REALLY wanna be able to rise up in rank without getting my butt touched aggressively every match.
Is there some sort of option? Can I play Shape or Doctor or Hag and still be effective at upper ranks to get by? Or is this game actually designed in a way that the Nurse is the only good Killer at that level?
FYI, my mains are Doctor and Michael, so those are the two I'm most concerned about.
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If you play intelligently then it is possible with Myers. Doctor is unlikely because he is low tier0
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Well yeah, the original chasing killers can be a lot more fun to tinker around with. Your opinion will probably start changing when you hit the 4 man swf professional loopers with flashlight that power the gates in less than 4 minutes and teabag you on the way out. For now you could definitely enjoy the game with some mid tier killers. But eventually you'll hit a point where you either need to be really, really good to even snag two kills with them by the time the gates are powered or you'll go back to playing nurse1
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Nurse is the only killer that can win against really good survivors who are also in SWF. Without good SWF, or without really good survivors, some of the more mid-tier killers can still compete at high rank, just don't expect an easy win. But you cannot "outskill" and defeat great survivors with Wraith, or even with Myers, no matter how skilled of a killer you are. They rely on survivors making mistakes and capitalizing on them. With optimal play the survivor will always win against something other than Nurse and can 1vs1 the killer until the generators are done. Even the known best killer mains, tournament winners even, will tell you this.
If you insist on Myers or Doctor, Myers is the better of the two because all Doctor can do is find people easily, make skillchecks a little harder and force earlier pallet drops. Myers can at least one-shot people and even kill them with the right addons.
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@The_Manlet said:
Nurse is the only killer that can win against really good survivors who are also in SWF. Without good SWF, or without really good survivors, some of the more mid-tier killers can still compete at high rank, just don't expect an easy win. But you cannot "outskill" and defeat great survivors with Wraith, or even with Myers, no matter how skilled of a killer you are. They rely on survivors making mistakes and capitalizing on them. With optimal play the survivor will always win against something other than Nurse and can 1vs1 the killer until the generators are done. Even the known best killer mains, tournament winners even, will tell you this.If you insist on Myers or Doctor, Myers is the better of the two because all Doctor can do is find people easily, make skillchecks a little harder and force earlier pallet drops. Myers can at least one-shot people and even kill them with the right addons.
@Cetren said:
Well yeah, the original chasing killers can be a lot more fun to tinker around with. Your opinion will probably start changing when you hit the 4 man swf professional loopers with flashlight that power the gates in less than 4 minutes and teabag you on the way out. For now you could definitely enjoy the game with some mid tier killers. But eventually you'll hit a point where you either need to be really, really good to even snag two kills with them by the time the gates are powered or you'll go back to playing nurse@Crazewtboy said:
If you play intelligently then it is possible with Myers. Doctor is unlikely because he is low tierSo basically, only ever play Survivor. Got it.
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It's possible to rank with every killer, just much harder with some of them. I'd advise you avoid wraith, trapper and, Freddy at the moment but everybody else is fair game. Personally I've found great success with piggy for ranking up because she can stop gen-rush by a bit.
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@Hillbilly420 said:
Try the Pig. She's fun and her power can buy you precious time. Her Make Your Choice perk is AMAZING on Hag.
@Techn0 said:
It's possible to rank with every killer, just much harder with some of them. I'd advise you avoid wraith, trapper and, Freddy at the moment but everybody else is fair game. Personally I've found great success with piggy for ranking up because she can stop gen-rush by a bit.I’d totally play the living Dead By Daylights out of the Pig...
... if I could afford her.
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
I’d totally play the living Dead By Daylights out of the Pig...
... if I could afford her.
She's on sale right now, if you're on steam I'd be happy to help you out. Just add me.
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@Techn0 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
I’d totally play the living Dead By Daylights out of the Pig...
... if I could afford her.
She's on sale right now, if you're on steam I'd be happy to help you out. Just add me.
I’ll have to think about it. “Stubborn pride” and all that; not usually okay with asking for help like that.
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I don't play Nurse, and I play since day 1.
Some rounds are painful, but most of the time, with some experience, map knowledge and a bit of skill and strategy, you can manage.Tho, if you want easy mode, just pick up Nurse, the only killer that can play similarly to survivors and be rewarded for it : once you learnt the muscle memory and the basics, you just have to run around and hit people. Basically the survivor of killers.
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You can do well (meaning 2+ kills) against good survivors with Myers, and to some extent other low mobility killers, if you get good at the game.
And you of course have Ruin III aswell.
And it doesn't spawn in a garbage spot.But if the survivors are good, know what they're doing, and actively trying to escape as soon as possible, Ruin is really an annoyance at best.
Which is also true of the killer in this scenario. Unless that killer is the Nurse.In short:
You're gonna be able to do well most of the time with The Shape and just as well, if not a little bit worse, with The Doctor; you should run Hex: Ruin to increase your effectiveness. If you don't play as The Nurse, your butt is inevitably going to be touched aggressively every so often.0 -
@NotBiasedAtAll said:
You can do well (meaning 2+ kills) against good survivors with Myers, and to some extent other low mobility killers, if you get good at the game.
And you of course have Ruin III aswell.
And it doesn't spawn in a garbage spot.But if the survivors are good, know what they're doing, and actively trying to escape as soon as possible, Ruin is really an annoyance at best.
Which is also true of the killer in this scenario. Unless that killer is the Nurse.In short:
You're gonna be able to do well most of the time with The Shape and just as well, if not a little bit worse, with The Doctor; you should run Hex: Ruin to increase your effectiveness. If you don't play as The Nurse, your butt is inevitably going to be touched aggressively every so often.That’s fine as long as thicc daddy Jake is the one to touch it.
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That’s a slap in the face to Nurse players. You think the Blinks just do it themselves after your muscle memory kicks in? Hell no. You have to learn every single Survivors movement patterns on the fly, every single match.Runiver said:I don't play Nurse, and I play since day 1.
Some rounds are painful, but most of the time, with some experience, map knowledge and a bit of skill and strategy, you can manage.Tho, if you want easy mode, just pick up Nurse, the only killer that can play similarly to survivors and be rewarded for it : once you learnt the muscle memory and the basics, you just have to run around and hit people. Basically the survivor of killers.
“Does this guy like to run back toward me?”
”Does this guys fake window hops and Pallet drops?”
”Does this guy use trees and walls to block my LoS so I have to blink Blind?”
”Does this guy have Dead Hard?”
Each Survivor has thier own play style, which you have to adjust your Blinks for.
Your statement about Nurse being that easy is insulting, to say the least. She requires perfection, precision, and prediction at all times. If you don’t have that, you’re the worse Killer in the game when you can’t land your Blinks.4 -
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@SovererignKing said:
That’s a slap in the face to Nurse players. You think the Blinks just do it themselves after your muscle memory kicks in? Hell no. You have to learn every single Survivors movement patterns on the fly, every single match.“Does this guy like to run back toward me?”
”Does this guys fake window hops and Pallet drops?”
”Does this guy use trees and walls to block my LoS so I have to blink Blind?”
”Does this guy have Dead Hard?”Each Survivor has thier own play style, which you have to adjust your Blinks for.
Your statement about Nurse being that easy is insulting, to say the least. She requires perfection, precision, and prediction at all times. If you don’t have that, you’re the worse Killer in the game when you can’t land your Blinks.
That's simply not true, for several factors :
What you mostly do, as Nurse, is teleport in a "middle" of the survivor's possibilities, then just adjust with your 2nd/3rd blinks for the hit.
Having multiple blinks is basically like playing Poker with Multiple hands, while the enemy has only 1.
She doesn't require perfection, precision is also debatable with multiple blinks. She requires prediction to some extent, if you lose vision a lot, which is not the case in most maps.I've played very few Nurse rounds, what I know is that I got from rank 14 to rank 1 with her within' my first 2 days of playing her. It's not as hard as people try to make you think and even if you fail a bit, she's still more efficient in a chase than most killers, timewise.
So yes, it's a huge slap in the face to Nurse players, but as most Nurse players I know say : she's easy mode once you mastered her, and people that plays her either left the game, or switched killer at some point until they got looped enough to say "######### it, I'll pick Nurse and get my 4k because I'm bored of looping now".
Then they pick Nurse, get their 4k, and leave the game satisfied rather than frustrated. I play there since day 1, and in the end, every nurse player I aknowledge just accept that simple fact. They play her to get rid of most mecanics of the game, because they dislike the game itself, and Nurse allows you to mostly ignore them.
Aka : Travel time, Basement travel time, walls, pallets, most vaults, and such, while mostly only a few perks and playstyle (aka stealth) remain an annoyance for her.3 -
Well I (and I think it also applies for @SovererignKing ) am a console Nurse, so it's not definitely an easy mode. It's possible for PC, but not for console.
I have never understood the need to say that Nurse is practically brainless. Everyone that is a godlike Nurse had to play her for a long time. You know how it feels when I have mastered her? All I get are messages like "Stupid tryhard", "Cheater", "easy mode", "only losers play her" etc.
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They don’t play her to “get rid” of most of the mechanics. They play her to get rid of only Looping. A Survivor can still fake a window vault or Pallet Drop.Runiver said:@SovererignKing said:
That’s a slap in the face to Nurse players. You think the Blinks just do it themselves after your muscle memory kicks in? Hell no. You have to learn every single Survivors movement patterns on the fly, every single match.“Does this guy like to run back toward me?”
”Does this guys fake window hops and Pallet drops?”
”Does this guy use trees and walls to block my LoS so I have to blink Blind?”
”Does this guy have Dead Hard?”Each Survivor has thier own play style, which you have to adjust your Blinks for.
Your statement about Nurse being that easy is insulting, to say the least. She requires perfection, precision, and prediction at all times. If you don’t have that, you’re the worse Killer in the game when you can’t land your Blinks.
That's simply not true, for several factors :
What you mostly do, as Nurse, is teleport in a "middle" of the survivor's possibilities, then just adjust with your 2nd/3rd blinks for the hit.
Having multiple blinks is basically like playing Poker with Multiple hands, while the enemy has only 1.
She doesn't require perfection, precision is also debatable with multiple blinks. She requires prediction to some extent, if you lose vision a lot, which is not the case in most maps.I've played very few Nurse rounds, what I know is that I got from rank 14 to rank 1 with her within' my first 2 days of playing her. It's not as hard as people try to make you think and even if you fail a bit, she's still more efficient in a chase than most killers, timewise.
So yes, it's a huge slap in the face to Nurse players, but as most Nurse players I know say : she's easy mode once you mastered her, and people that plays her either left the game, or switched killer at some point until they got looped enough to say "[BAD WORD] it, I'll pick Nurse and get my 4k because I'm bored of looping now".
Then they pick Nurse, get their 4k, and leave the game satisfied rather than frustrated. I play there since day 1, and in the end, every nurse player I aknowledge just accept that simple fact. They play her to get rid of most mecanics of the game, because they dislike the game itself, and Nurse allows you to mostly ignore them.
Aka : Travel time, Basement travel time, walls, pallets, most vaults, and such, while mostly only a few perks and playstyle (aka stealth) remain an annoyance for her.
The only reason she’s “easy mode” after mastering her, is because Survivors have become so wholly dependent on Looping to waste time, in order to save thier asses, they hit the floor like a sack of potatoes when they can’t do it. It’s lack of adaptation on the Survivors part. Once they lose the Looping card, they are helpless because none of them learned to Stealth and Juke properly. That’s not the Nurses fault. The Survivors rely too much on thier crutch mechanic of Looping. If they don’t have it, it all falls apart for them.
Its not the Nurse that’s the problem, it’s the Survivors who refuse to learn anything but Looping Killers. She’s only “easy mode” once mastered because Survivors are too reliant on thier one “EZ Win” stall tactic. The whole Killer tier list is dependent on how well a Killer deals with Looping. You can even see it in 2.0 how lost Survivors are without just the vacuum. It started with infinite’s, moved to Looping. They are completely stuck in thier “meta” and when it fails, they just cry about it.
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Nurse has the highest skill ceiling but it's not very hard to get reasonably proficient with her, and once you do that you become as strong as the next best killer played by a pro. You don't even need to master her to do very well. Nurse is absolutely easy mode. Try a good build like BBQ and Chili, Nurse's Calling, Make Your Choice and a fourth perk of your choice, and see how easy it is to destroy the lobby.
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Play what is most fun for you. It's the most important, it's a video game. Besides it's not like you can only rank up with the holy 3 (which is pretty overrated imo, they're also popular because they are straightforward), I rank up quite easily with the Hag, and I'm pretty sure you can perform very well if you master Doc / Pig / Myers. And other killers - you will have a harder time sure, but it's not impossible, if you enjoy them it will be easier for you to rank up since less stress.
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If you use Pig with the right build, and you master her, you can kick everybody's ass and even counter (well, mindgame is a better word) pallet loops
Remember Me
Dying Light
Ruin
NOED/Nurse's/M&A/Overcharge/Bloodhound/Franklin's
plus some really good combos of add-ons like
Tampered Timer/Jigsaw Sketch Tampered Timer/Rule Set No.2
Amanda's Letter/Combat Straps
etc.
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I've reached Rank 1 countless times without ever having to play just the "Meta Trifecta" Killers. There's also a lot of factors that can really fcuk you over like the map that you get alongside the RNG of how the map is generated. I can honestly say that the changes that have been made to the pallets have really made this easier. I can already tell you that the Clown is a good contender to be played at Red Ranks. I've already made to Rank 5, twice this same season (I deranked to Rank 15 twice; sorry peeps that I got in my games), but current Red Ranks are still bugged for Killers. Lobbies are extremely slow to fill or don't fill at all.0
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Nurse is an amazing killer and she is top tier for a reason. No question about her killing potential. She is who you play if you want to go full sweaty tryhard or be competitive however i found myself in the same situation as yourself. I acknowledge that the nurse is the best killer in the game in terms of killing potential however i hate playing her. For one i am ass at her and two i just don't enjoy her power. That is why i main Billy. Out of all the killers in this game he is the only one i find the most fun playing. He is effective, not a braindead M1 killer and hot damn is that saw of his sexy especially with his amazing addons. If you want to be some what effective at high ranks without playing nurse the Hillbilly is your best bet.
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Its a fact, nurse is the only killer that can effectively do sth agianst pallet looping, the mechanic that completely demolishes all other killers.
Tilll they fix their game balance I suggest trying not to rank up so high and play the killers you have fun with. DBD is only about fun right, playing competitively in such an unbalanced game would be a joke tbh and we saw that during the tournament0 -
If you play smart with Pig she can be decent too. The trick is to make the traps akin to Ruin totems. Just spread them out throughout the match.0
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Hag for rank 1.1
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The only reason nurse isn't played by every single person right now is because her blinks give you motion sickness or headaches. Great ######### design devs.
She's broken OP though, so yeah. If you need to win every single game you play her because that's how you max your win%. Play the most OP #########. Do your part to make the community more toxic.
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
But I also really, REALLY wanna be able to rise up in rank without getting my butt touched aggressively every match.
Why do you care about rank? Hitting constant 4man SWF isn't fun, and there is zero benefit to reaching any rank. Just play what you want and lobby dodge SWF groups.
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So playing as a character I love to play as makes me automatically toxic? Hello, logic?cTrix said:The only reason nurse isn't played by every single person right now is because her blinks give you motion sickness or headaches. Great [BAD WORD] design devs.
She's broken OP though, so yeah. If you need to win every single game you play her because that's how you max your win%. Play the most OP #########. Do your part to make the community more toxic.
And not every game is 4k. If survivors can hide well enough, they can escape.2 -
@SovererignKing said:
They don’t play her to “get rid” of most of the mechanics. They play her to get rid of only Looping. A Survivor can still fake a window vault or Pallet Drop.The only reason she’s “easy mode” after mastering her, is because Survivors have become so wholly dependent on Looping to waste time, in order to save thier asses, they hit the floor like a sack of potatoes when they can’t do it. It’s lack of adaptation on the Survivors part. Once they lose the Looping card, they are helpless because none of them learned to Stealth and Juke properly. That’s not the Nurses fault. The Survivors rely too much on thier crutch mechanic of Looping. If they don’t have it, it all falls apart for them.
Its not the Nurse that’s the problem, it’s the Survivors who refuse to learn anything but Looping Killers. She’s only “easy mode” once mastered because Survivors are too reliant on thier one “EZ Win” stall tactic. The whole Killer tier list is dependent on how well a Killer deals with Looping. You can even see it in 2.0 how lost Survivors are without just the vacuum. It started with infinite’s, moved to Looping. They are completely stuck in thier “meta” and when it fails, they just cry about it.
Stop blaming the Nurse for the Survivors incompetence.
The argument "It's not nurse, it's other players", is the exact same argument survivors use. "Killers need to adapt and get better". Pure relativism and a blatant non-argument.
A god nurse is about impossible to lose/juke properly except some rare setup where she actually has to use mindgames to find you, which is very oftenly not the case since 80% of the map are very opened or/and offer very few variation choices, and most of these variations can be corrected via her multiple blinks.It has been more than 2 years now. People adapted for a while to Nurse, and she's still god tier. It's just nurse, nothing else.
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Seeing that you are a Hillbilly attorney, can I ask you a question (out of pure curiosity)?Runiver said:@SovererignKing said:
They don’t play her to “get rid” of most of the mechanics. They play her to get rid of only Looping. A Survivor can still fake a window vault or Pallet Drop.The only reason she’s “easy mode” after mastering her, is because Survivors have become so wholly dependent on Looping to waste time, in order to save thier asses, they hit the floor like a sack of potatoes when they can’t do it. It’s lack of adaptation on the Survivors part. Once they lose the Looping card, they are helpless because none of them learned to Stealth and Juke properly. That’s not the Nurses fault. The Survivors rely too much on thier crutch mechanic of Looping. If they don’t have it, it all falls apart for them.
Its not the Nurse that’s the problem, it’s the Survivors who refuse to learn anything but Looping Killers. She’s only “easy mode” once mastered because Survivors are too reliant on thier one “EZ Win” stall tactic. The whole Killer tier list is dependent on how well a Killer deals with Looping. You can even see it in 2.0 how lost Survivors are without just the vacuum. It started with infinite’s, moved to Looping. They are completely stuck in thier “meta” and when it fails, they just cry about it.
Stop blaming the Nurse for the Survivors incompetence.
The argument "It's not nurse, it's other players", is the exact same argument survivors use. "Killers need to adapt and get better". Pure relativism and a blatant non-argument.
A god nurse is about impossible to lose/juke properly except some rare setup where she actually has to use mindgames to find you, which is very oftenly not the case since 80% of the map are very opened or/and offer very few variation choices, and most of these variations can be corrected via her multiple blinks.It has been more than 2 years now. People adapted for a while to Nurse, and she's still god tier. It's just nurse, nothing else.
I heard from many players, that Sally is boring to play as. What is so exciting about playing Hillbilly? To me, he seems to be a M1 killer that sometimes uses his power. (This is the reason I play Nurse, because I have to use her power).0 -
“About impossible” again, she’s only god tier because Survivors refuse to do much of anything other than Loop, as well as use Pallets and windows in the same straightforward way they use them against other Killers.Runiver said:@SovererignKing said:
They don’t play her to “get rid” of most of the mechanics. They play her to get rid of only Looping. A Survivor can still fake a window vault or Pallet Drop.The only reason she’s “easy mode” after mastering her, is because Survivors have become so wholly dependent on Looping to waste time, in order to save thier asses, they hit the floor like a sack of potatoes when they can’t do it. It’s lack of adaptation on the Survivors part. Once they lose the Looping card, they are helpless because none of them learned to Stealth and Juke properly. That’s not the Nurses fault. The Survivors rely too much on thier crutch mechanic of Looping. If they don’t have it, it all falls apart for them.
Its not the Nurse that’s the problem, it’s the Survivors who refuse to learn anything but Looping Killers. She’s only “easy mode” once mastered because Survivors are too reliant on thier one “EZ Win” stall tactic. The whole Killer tier list is dependent on how well a Killer deals with Looping. You can even see it in 2.0 how lost Survivors are without just the vacuum. It started with infinite’s, moved to Looping. They are completely stuck in thier “meta” and when it fails, they just cry about it.
Stop blaming the Nurse for the Survivors incompetence.
The argument "It's not nurse, it's other players", is the exact same argument survivors use. "Killers need to adapt and get better". Pure relativism and a blatant non-argument.
A god nurse is about impossible to lose/juke properly except some rare setup where she actually has to use mindgames to find you, which is very oftenly not the case since 80% of the map are very opened or/and offer very few variation choices, and most of these variations can be corrected via her multiple blinks.It has been more than 2 years now. People adapted for a while to Nurse, and she's still god tier. It's just nurse, nothing else.
Killers were forced to adapt to the Looping meta after Patch 1.4.0. Survivors should be forced to adapt the Nurse if played well. It’s called fair play, pay back is a #########.
Shes always been god tier for one sole reason : She beats the Loops which Survivors have leaned on as a crutch since infinite’s were a thing. A god tier Nurse deserves his/her title. They put the time in her to beat the Loops. It’s the ONLY thing she ignores. Everything else, is simply Survivors refusing to use Pallets and Windows in unconventional ways to mind game her.1 -
Yes, I’m a PS4 Nurse Main. People want to devalue and downplay the difficulty of Nurse as to justify nerfs. Basically anything I can’t beat = nerf it. I never whined like that when I played For Honor and sucked balls vs. Kensei *before he got a re-work*, and was considered the weakest Hero in the game. I got wrecked by Kensei’s, I just couldn’t figure them out. However I knew that was my fault, Kensei was not “OP”, I just couldn’t adapt to him and got my ass handed to me.popoles said:Well I (and I think it also applies for @SovererignKing ) am a console Nurse, so it's not definitely an easy mode. It's possible for PC, but not for console.
I have never understood the need to say that Nurse is practically brainless. Everyone that is a godlike Nurse had to play her for a long time. You know how it feels when I have mastered her? All I get are messages like "Stupid tryhard", "Cheater", "easy mode", "only losers play her" etc.
This community can't appreciate anything.
Its the same with Nurse on DBD. Adaptation refusal.Post edited by SovererignKing on2 -
I made a hag guide on YouTube with the help of other hag mains. She's quite fun to play and what people are forgetting is that every killer will lose against a group of survivors intending to do objectives and get out. Even the nurse.
I play Hag because of the strategy involved, I p3'd her before her teleport stun was removed and since then she's gotten better.
Every killer is viable and every killer is dangerous if you put the time into one to learn how to play them most efficiently.
Play the killers you want to play and master them. Then ranks won't be a problem
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In truth, I find Hag to be the hardest Killer in the game to master. More so than Nurse.SpaceCoconut said:I made a hag guide on YouTube with the help of other hag mains. She's quite fun to play and what people are forgetting is that every killer will lose against a group of survivors intending to do objectives and get out. Even the nurse.
I play Hag because of the strategy involved, I p3'd her before her teleport stun was removed and since then she's gotten better.
Every killer is viable and every killer is dangerous if you put the time into one to learn how to play them most efficiently.
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I have NEVER liked the Nurse EVER. Not my playstyle. Her and Leatherface are both hard to use in my opinion. The Nurse is slow and she will never catch a survivor in a chase. You have to get used to the blinks and how to accruately hit them. The fatigue is also an annoyance factor because you can easily lose a survivor. The Nurse is undoubtedly the best killer but you have to get used to the blinks/fatigue and that is something I have to get used to. When you’re a baby Nurse against 4 SWF, it becomes awful and simply not fun anymore.
Playing a killer that is good with SWF is the Nurse, Hillbilly, and Huntress...Doctor and Myers are not bad but you have to know how to play Myers. I’m a Myers main, you really have to be a good Myers player and know how to use stalk effectively in order to be successful against SWF. They’ll probably gen rush you anyways. I’m usually decent with the stealthier killers (Myers, Pig, Wraith, Freddy, sometimes Doctor with Monitor and Abuse). Wraith and Freddy are low-tier but for some reason I tend to be successful with SWF due to their stealth abillites. Myers and Pig are a piece of cake.
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You really don't gotta' play nurse. She's the best at countering looping because she can just blink through pallets and walls, but by no means do you have to play her to do well. With some practice, you can be just as effective with most killers.
Except wraith/Freddy. That's hard mode.
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As others have said, you don't have to play Nurse. Killers like Billy, Myers, Huntress, Clown, Doctor, Leatherface and Pig can all punish survivors when they make mistakes. Trapper and Hag can maneuver survivors into webs which can punish them for not paying attention.Wraith and Freddy simply can't punish survivors when they make mistakes nearly as well as the others, and in Freddy's case he actually can give them 4-10 seconds to recover from mistakes.
In my opinion, without addons Billy and Myers are the most consistent at punishing survivors after Nurse due to the one shot potential coupled with versatility. A Huntress that can aim well can due just as well.
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Play what you like and enjoy.
It's simple like that! You can hit Rank 1 with every killer. Really. It's probably harder for some killers, but not impossible at all. "4-man-flashlight-genrushing"-squads can happen, but honestly, it's not that often that you will never hit rank 1 because of them. For every annoying and unwinnable round against godlike survivors, there are trials against f.e. just 3 people. Or salty DCing kids. None of these things are fine, but it's somehow balanced in the end.
If you main a killer, you know his strength and weakness. You know which add-ons work fine, which perks are the best, etc. A wraith-main can be really, really terrifying...
The rest is RNG. Nothing you can do about it anyway
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I hate ranking up personally, more SWF groups and flashlights imo
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Simple answer to the topic title - No, you don't HAVE to play Nurse.
Play the killers you enjoy most or play best, regardless of whether they're high tier or not. Nurse is top dog but the skill curve is ridiculous. There's no other killer with a more obvious difference between a good nurse and a bad nurse. I suck at nurse so I don't play her except for when theres a daily ritual. I usually play Doctor, Leatherface (non-camping shock horror), Hillbilly and lately Huntress (but I can't hit hatchets for #########).
It's probably better not to aim for just the high ranks. Ideally find the sort of rank thats comfortable for you where you don't pubstomp people but also don't get pubstomped by survivors all the time.
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You don't have to play Nurse. If you master Nurse you'll probably have an easier time of it, but most killers are viable even at high ranks, as long as you play them well.
There are several streamers/YouTubers who rotate through the killers at Rank 1, and they still manage to maintain that rank. Tru3ta1ent plays a rotation of all killers at R1, and the only one he doesn't do well with is Freddy. Hell, Marth88 maintains Rank 1 while playing Wraith regularly.
IMO, if you want to have an easier time of it you should master Nurse, Hag, or Billy. The others (aside from Freddy, ugh) can do it but it will be more difficult.
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@popoles said:
Seeing that you are a Hillbilly attorney, can I ask you a question (out of pure curiosity)?
I heard from many players, that Sally is boring to play as. What is so exciting about playing Hillbilly? To me, he seems to be a M1 killer that sometimes uses his power. (This is the reason I play Nurse, because I have to use her power).He is actually very strong, but with limitations.
You can use his chainsaw for pallets, with a lot of ACTUAL mindgames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQhlVUtcWwY Like this one.
Not to mention the flick that can be used to surprise your opponents, and take ACTUAL skill to manage and estimate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYNxjs4mHh4
Along with pallet breaking, long range chainsaws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwtNwQJ_uj0&feature=youtu.be
Along with ACTUAL prediction and HAVING TO COMMIT to your prediction, or you basically fully lose your chase, rather than "Oh, I'll just blink once more and correct"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puNfJ5wkCLI
You can also chainsaw in several occasions around pallets, you just need to be good at estimating it.@SovererignKing You're just repeating the same (wrong) thing over and over. Even overly good people you see in tournament, that plays the game for 4k hours, and even main'ed Nurse (Aka Marth and such) cannot properly juke a good Nurse. It's not a matter of being good or not. Nurse has the control over the chase, and while you have a few tricks, she is 90% in control of what is happening, and you're nearly fully relying on her ######### up, rather than you doing great. Which is the exact same issues other killers have with survivors : they rely on other's mistakes, rather than their own skills.
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@Runiver
That’s the whole damn point. The Killer is SUPPOSED to have control over the Chase. If you’re Skilled at Survivor, you may last longer than usual, but not THAT much longer. Why do you think the games balance is in such a piss poor state? Simply because Survivors have the potential to have far too much control in chases. Survivors are supposed to hide, if found, lose the Killer in about 15-20 seconds. They aren’t supposed to be able to put up much of a fight. That’s why there are four of them, that’s why you have THREE chances on the hook.
That’s all Nurse does, put the power to control the chase back in the hands of the Killer, via their own skill at Blinking correctly. The chase should be a Killer sided event, you ######### up and got found. The generators being so quick and easy to complete disallows for every single chase to last at least 30 seconds. That’s not balanced.1 -
No, you simply move the cursor to someone else’s ugly ass face and click
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Not that much control, especially when it makes most in-game mecanics obsolete.
The main issue of the game isn't that the chases are too long. A chase could be very long is the survivor is outplaying you (which is not happening against a good nurse). The main issue is the in-game time and the map design allowing survivors to remotely too strong, which is a very different matter, since it leaves very low room for the killer's skill to express (Except for Nurse, which can express it way too much since she pretty much ignores everything)If the game was actually balanced as you suggested, then, the gens being ultra quick to do would be allright, since the chases would be overly short. But it's just not.
The design, along with the killer's outplay possilities, the generator repair speed (not time, there's other ways to change it), along with Nurse, need to be changed in the long run.
It's not gonna happen tho. Ash is the one that designed the Nurse, and since then, they're just scared to touch at her. I'm not even sure they know how she remotely works at the moment, so you don't have to worry. Doubt she'll change anytime soon, so it's a rather pointless discussion.
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@Runiver
What's up with the ACTUAL MINDGAMES thing? You are a better killer just because you can walk backwards and then swing at a pallet? You have some Nurse complex or something, that makes you hate her?
I just asked you, why you like playing him. That's all. I didn't ask for a video session full of bigotry.
I can also show you some really good blinks that are hard to pull off. (Unfortunately I can't right now, cuz I am not at home lol)
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- Do i have to rely on DS to rank up as a survivor ? NO
- Will it be easier to rank up with DS ? YES
That's basically an example to answer your question, you can rank up with ANY killer; It's just a matter of how long it takes you to rank up (Nurse being the quickest way to rank up, for sure). With nurse, You will have "less" frustrating games and losses which you will encounter with any killer aside from top 3.
I think you should just play the killers you enjoy and mix them up, Don't stress too much about ranking and you will still rank up without even noticing. And if you find yourself in a tough game, perhaps play a little bit more "tryhard" by proxy camping or tunneling some survivor to get him out quickly.
Goodluck
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