Do I HAVE to play Nurse?
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@Peanits said:
You really don't gotta' play nurse. She's the best at countering looping because she can just blink through pallets and walls, but by no means do you have to play her to do well. With some practice, you can be just as effective with most killers.Except wraith/Freddy. That's hard mode.
I dare to say that no other killer can be as effective as the nurse, no matter how much you practicsed, a good nurse will always be better
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@Runiver
Look, I asked you, why you like HillBilly. You responded with unnecessary videos. Ok, maybe you wanted to demonstrate your opinions.
But what about the capitalized words? Why are they there?
These words made me think, that you think, Nurse doesn't need skill, you don't have to commit to your predictions, you don't have to even make them...
Maybe I looked offensive to you, because I haven't understood, why you had to point out these parts of your reply.0 -
I think he believes that Nurse second blink is a crutch that allows too much control. Which is highly false. 8/10 times the first Blink you do is simply to catch up to a Survivor who’s been running. The second Blink is the strike blink. If he truthfully feels that most Nurses hit a strike on thier first blink, or are even within striking distance, then he’s wholly mistaken.popoles said:@Runiver
Look, I asked you, why you like HillBilly. You responded with unnecessary videos. Ok, maybe you wanted to demonstrate your opinions.
But what about the capitalized words? Why are they there?
These words made me think, that you think, Nurse doesn't need skill, you don't have to commit to your predictions, you don't have to even make them...
Maybe I looked offensive to you, because I haven't understood, why you had to point out these parts of your reply.
He actually sounds envious that Billy isn’t Nurse level. Either that, or he’s very ignorant on how much prediction is required on Blinks. He forgets, even a hit with Nurse isn’t as good as Billy, Billy gets insta-down, even if Nurse blinks correctly and gets the hit, it’s just a normal hit.
Compare them side side by side. Billy, if he predicts correct gets an instant down, Nurse just gets a hit. Trade off? Nurse has a second Blink to correct an error if there is one, *if she even can provided she has Blinks remaining*, however, it’s still just a hit. It’s not an instant down. She gets more control, but just a hit. Billy has less control, but can insta-down.2 -
Yeah, he really seems a bit envious. I don't have anything against Hillbilly players. But Runiver seems to just hate Nurse to death.SovererignKing said:
I think he believes that Nurse second blink is a crutch that allows too much control. Which is highly false. 8/10 times the first Blink you do is simply to catch up to a Survivor who’s been running. The second Blink is the strike blink. If he truthfully feels that most Nurses hit a strike on thier first blink, or are even within striking distance, then he’s wholly mistaken.popoles said:@Runiver
Look, I asked you, why you like HillBilly. You responded with unnecessary videos. Ok, maybe you wanted to demonstrate your opinions.
But what about the capitalized words? Why are they there?
These words made me think, that you think, Nurse doesn't need skill, you don't have to commit to your predictions, you don't have to even make them...
Maybe I looked offensive to you, because I haven't understood, why you had to point out these parts of your reply.
He actually sounds envious that Billy isn’t Nurse level. Either that, or he’s very ignorant on how much prediction is required on Blinks. He forgets, even a hit with Nurse isn’t as good as Billy, Billy gets insta-down, even if Nurse blinks correctly and gets the hit, it’s just a normal hit.
Compare them side side by side. Billy, if he predicts correct gets an instant down, Nurse just gets a hit. Trade off? Nurse has a second Blink to correct an error if there is one, *if she even can provided she has Blinks remaining*, however, it’s still just a hit. It’s not an instant down. She gets more control, but just a hit. Billy has less control, but can insta-down.
And when playing Sally, sometimes your blink won't go through a certain place and you will lose the chase.0 -
@popoles @SovererignKing
Envious ? You got it all wrong.
I'd HATE Billy to be anywhere close to Nurse in term of gameplay.
I actually think Billy is where the balance is at, at least he's the closest it can be considering the current state of the game.I just think the Nurse is wrongly designed overall.
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No, you do not -have- to play the nurse. Would I recommend learning her for the purposes of bloodpoint farming and SWF demolition? Of course. I need to learn her myself.
At the end of the day, us killer mains have to stick together, we're all in the same pile of imbalanced sadness. Nurse players are literally the only thing in this game that remind survivors that yes, they are in fact the victims in this tale - empowerment was never on their menu, and its inclusion was accidental from the start due to questionable balancing.
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The problem is that Nurse is in a predicament. She’s *borderline* OP. I’ll give you that. However, currently there is no way to nerf/re-work her power without essentially making her too much like the Hag.Runiver said:@popoles @SovererignKing
Envious ? You got it all wrong.
I'd HATE Billy to be anywhere close to Nurse in term of gameplay.
I actually think Billy is where the balance is at, at least he's the closest it can be considering the current state of the game.I just think the Nurse is wrongly designed overall.
Another tissue is that BHVR went the totally wrong way with the game, and made the game less and less about Stealth, and more and more about chases.
Fact is, the Nurse is not wrong designed. It’s the games overall center around the Chase that’s wrong. It’s why every other Killer is weak, and why Nurse is so powerful. Nurse deserves her place at the top for being able to end chases, but she needs to be even more vulnerable to Stealth then she already is, however, all other Killers need a bump up in chase.0 -
Then stop disapproving Nurse players' efforts to play their favourite killer. (It really seems like you can't appreciate the time and effort people put into mastering the Nurse)Runiver said:@popoles @SovererignKing
Envious ? You got it all wrong.
I'd HATE Billy to be anywhere close to Nurse in term of gameplay.
I actually think Billy is where the balance is at, at least he's the closest it can be considering the current state of the game.I just think the Nurse is wrongly designed overall.
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You dont have to play nurse. Granted, she is the only option against swf if you want to win consistently.
For the most part, you can choose any of the four M2 killers
Nurse if you want to play her own game
Billy for the most vanilla feeling
Huntress if you like aiming
Hag for strategic gameplay
They're all viable in highranked gameplay and dangerous enough. The other killers are bound to be basic killers, who have to follow people around to him them.
Just dont bother with Wraith and Freddy. Trapper is borderline weak as well.
The bitter pill is, when good survivors mean business and genrush, you will always lose.0 -
If you want to have “fun”, no.
If you need to win to have fun, yes.1 -
Eh, i've read through most of these posts and it's always the same. People trying to downplay Nurse as a easy killer to play. What SovereignKing says is very much true. If you've got 30 hrs as Nurse you really have no valid say on the matter.
Now, to the topic at hand; Reach Rank 1 one time just for the achievement and leave it at that. That way you can play any killer you want and have fun. Staying at high ranks is not much fun anyway, trust me. Too much toxicity and tryharding SWF's.
Killers I would recommend other than Nurse would be;
1. Hillbilly
2. Huntress
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Now I'm a Rank 20, so I'm not the world's most experienced player either, in fact I'm definitely probably a lower rank than you. However, I feel like I do have some game sense worth sharing. so I'll rank each killer as either Hard Nope/Probably Not/Maybe/Sure/Definitely.
Trapper = Sure
Wraith = Hard Nope
Hillbilly = Definitely
Nurse = Definitely
Shape = Sure
Hag = Probably Not
Cannibal = Maybe
Doctor = Probably Not
Huntress = Sure
Nightmare = Just... Like... Don't (All Freddy's tunnel vision, it isn't fun.)
Pig = Sure
Clown = Sure0 -
@SovererignKing
The problem is that Nurse is in a predicament. She’s borderline OP. I’ll give you that. However, currently there is no way to nerf/re-work her power without essentially making her too much like the Hag.Another tissue is that BHVR went the totally wrong way with the game, and made the game less and less about Stealth, and more and more about chases.
Fact is, the Nurse is not wrong designed. It’s the games overall center around the Chase that’s wrong. It’s why every other Killer is weak, and why Nurse is so powerful. Nurse deserves her place at the top for being able to end chases, but she needs to be even more vulnerable to Stealth then she already is, however, all other Killers need a bump up in chase.
Oh, finally admiting that she might be too strong but "I find no way to nerf her so it doesn't exist" ?
Good thing we got to that point now.
Yes, most other killers are weak, but Nurse is also too strong in a sense. Getting the argument "Only 1 killer is right out of all of the killer pool" is just wrong, that's not how it works and it's pretty obvious bias there. The game itself should be changed so that "one killer" would be around the same power than others. So in a sense, she's definitely not right.@popoles I just say she doesn't take quite as much efforts as people make it look like. Also, skill doesn't excuse being "borderline OP" as stated above. A killer being hard to play doesn't mean he should be stronger. All killers should be around the same power, even if some are harder to play than others. Being harder to play should just give you more variety of plays and such. With Nurse it's actually the opposite : the gameplans are usually rather similar from one game to another.
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Wow, I give you an inch, and you take a mile.Runiver said:@SovererignKing
The problem is that Nurse is in a predicament. She’s borderline OP. I’ll give you that. However, currently there is no way to nerf/re-work her power without essentially making her too much like the Hag.Another tissue is that BHVR went the totally wrong way with the game, and made the game less and less about Stealth, and more and more about chases.
Fact is, the Nurse is not wrong designed. It’s the games overall center around the Chase that’s wrong. It’s why every other Killer is weak, and why Nurse is so powerful. Nurse deserves her place at the top for being able to end chases, but she needs to be even more vulnerable to Stealth then she already is, however, all other Killers need a bump up in chase.
Oh, finally admiting that she might be too strong but "I find no way to nerf her so it doesn't exist" ?
Good thing we got to that point now.
Yes, most other killers are weak, but Nurse is also too strong in a sense. Getting the argument "Only 1 killer is right out of all of the killer pool" is just wrong, that's not how it works and it's pretty obvious bias there. The game itself should be changed so that "one killer" would be around the same power than others. So in a sense, she's definitely not right.@popoles I just say she doesn't take quite as much efforts as people make it look like. Also, skill doesn't excuse being "borderline OP" as stated above. A killer being hard to play doesn't mean he should be stronger. All killers should be around the same power, even if some are harder to play than others. Being harder to play should just give you more variety of plays and such. With Nurse it's actually the opposite : the gameplans are usually rather similar from one game to another.
I guess I was right at my previous assertion that your just pissed off and jealous Billy isn’t as good as Nurse. I literally explained that Nurse’s base higher skill floor give’s her the right to be powerful. Just as Billy’s higher base skill floor using his chainsaw gives him the right to be powerful. However, Billy’s insta-down means he must suffer a loss of control, Nurses’s lack of insta-down means she benefits from greater control than Billy.
You dont master the most difficult character to play for nothing. Just as you don’t master Billy so you can be Freddy tier Killer. You’re obviously bias toward Billy, you think you’re “better than” Nurse players, because you think Billy requires more skill to play than Nurse.
If they nerf the Nurse, then they better nerf Billy too, so his chainsaw doesn’t insta-down.
As for your your response to @popoles, even M.Cote said “Not all Killers are supposed to be equally viable at all Ranks.” Doing that would make the game very dull, very quickly, as then choosing a Killer would be a mere formality as an aesthetic.1 -
@SovererignKing said:
Runiver said:The problem is that Nurse is in a predicament. She’s borderline OP. I’ll give you that. However, currently there is no way to nerf/re-work her power without essentially making her too much like the Hag.
Another tissue is that BHVR went the totally wrong way with the game, and made the game less and less about Stealth, and more and more about chases.
Fact is, the Nurse is not wrong designed. It’s the games overall center around the Chase that’s wrong. It’s why every other Killer is weak, and why Nurse is so powerful. Nurse deserves her place at the top for being able to end chases, but she needs to be even more vulnerable to Stealth then she already is, however, all other Killers need a bump up in chase.
Oh, finally admiting that she might be too strong but "I find no way to nerf her so it doesn't exist" ?
Good thing we got to that point now.
Yes, most other killers are weak, but Nurse is also too strong in a sense. Getting the argument "Only 1 killer is right out of all of the killer pool" is just wrong, that's not how it works and it's pretty obvious bias there. The game itself should be changed so that "one killer" would be around the same power than others. So in a sense, she's definitely not right.
@popoles I just say she doesn't take quite as much efforts as people make it look like. Also, skill doesn't excuse being "borderline OP" as stated above. A killer being hard to play doesn't mean he should be stronger. All killers should be around the same power, even if some are harder to play than others. Being harder to play should just give you more variety of plays and such. With Nurse it's actually the opposite : the gameplans are usually rather similar from one game to another.
Wow, I give you an inch, and you take a mile.
I guess I was right at my previous assertion that your just pissed off and jealous Billy isn’t as good as Nurse. I literally explained that Nurse’s base higher skill floor give’s her the right to be powerful. Just as Billy’s higher base skill floor using his chainsaw gives him the right to be powerful. However, Billy’s insta-down means he must suffer a loss of control, Nurses’s lack of insta-down means she benefits from greater control than Billy.
You dont master the most difficult character to play for nothing. Just as you don’t master Billy so you can be Freddy tier Killer. You’re obviously bias toward Billy, you think you’re “better than” Nurse players, because you think Billy requires more skill to play than Nurse.
If they nerf the Nurse, then they better nerf Billy too, so his chainsaw doesn’t insta-down.
As for your your response to @popoles, even M.Cote said “Not all Killers are supposed to be equally viable at all Ranks.” Doing that would make the game very dull, very quickly, as then choosing a Killer would be a mere formality as an aesthetic.
Then nerf them both. Go ahead.
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@JarJarBlinks said:
Eh, i've read through most of these posts and it's always the same. People trying to downplay Nurse as a easy killer to play. What SovereignKing says is very much true. If you've got 30 hrs as Nurse you really have no valid say on the matter.Now, to the topic at hand; Reach Rank 1 one time just for the achievement and leave it at that. That way you can play any killer you want and have fun. Staying at high ranks is not much fun anyway, trust me. Too much toxicity and tryharding SWF's.
Killers I would recommend other than Nurse would be;
1. Hillbilly
2. Huntress
3. MyersYou don't really have a choice in whether you reach rank 1 unless you're willing to intentionally throw every other match and just AFK for half of it after you hook everyone once to get your BBQ stacks.
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@SovererignKing
Wow, I give you an inch, and you take a mile.I guess I was right at my previous assertion that your just pissed off and jealous Billy isn’t as good as Nurse. I literally explained that Nurse’s base higher skill floor give’s her the right to be powerful. Just as Billy’s higher base skill floor using his chainsaw gives him the right to be powerful. However, Billy’s insta-down means he must suffer a loss of control, Nurses’s lack of insta-down means she benefits from greater control than Billy.
You dont master the most difficult character to play for nothing. Just as you don’t master Billy so you can be Freddy tier Killer. You’re obviously bias toward Billy, you think you’re “better than” Nurse players, because you think Billy requires more skill to play than Nurse.
If they nerf the Nurse, then they better nerf Billy too, so his chainsaw doesn’t insta-down.
As for your your response to @popoles, even M.Cote said “Not all Killers are supposed to be equally viable at all Ranks.” Doing that would make the game very dull, very quickly, as then choosing a Killer would be a mere formality as an aesthetic.
As I stated, having a high skill floor doesn't give you the right to be powerful.
A character that is harder to play is not meant to be stronger.Billy is actually not that hard to play either, clearly not one of the top two hardest killer in the game. And Billy is way easier to play than Nurse. So once again, you keep assuming things I never stated. I just said Billy had more interesting mindgames, and when he had to make some, he actually had to FULLY COMMIT rather than halfly commit THEN BE ABLE TO CORRECT because reasons.
The chainsaw limitations themselves explain the power (Aka straight line + no obstacles + charging + no steering, while Nurse has... Well, nothing much except having to charge ?)
I don't think I'm "better" than Nurse players. I just think Billy is better in term of design, as simple as that.
M.Cote also said that infinites were hard to pull off back then, and told killers to play Civilization. But sure, make him your baseline. I mean he totally proved that he knows his ######### about killers with his Hag gameplay.
As a matter of fact, the devs want the killers to be roughly balanced around the same power. They just don't manage it.
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@Runiver
Then why bother having any veriety of Killers? If they are all equally as powerful once mastered, then they just become skins like the Survivors.
You honestly think a Nurse has no commitment to her Blinks, do you? You honestly think it’s simple to just Blink Blink, hit? She has no auto aim. It’s all on you to predict where the Survivor is going. You even have to account for the slight movement they make after you’ve Blinked. As I stated before, the first Blink is used almost ALWAYS to to catch up to a Survivor to run. Your second Blink is the strike Blink. You seem to be under the false impression that Nurse usually even TRIES to strike, or is even within striking distance, on the first Blink. She has to play catch up first, to which she has to FULLY COMMIT as you like to say, to her second Blink to hit. To which, she eats a stun even if she hits. Where’s Billy’s stun that the Survivor has a chance to run, hide, and escape even if he hits them? Oh right, he doesn’t have one because it’s an insta-down.
Also, last I checked, Billy doesn’t HAVE to use his power to be effective at Killing. He can just run around and M1 everyone. Where is Nurses option to just not Blink and float behind people and hit them? Oh right, she doesn’t have the option. She can’t use her power right, she’s the worse Killer in the game. Billy doesn’t suffer that little draw back either.
Its obvious im talking to someone who’s hardly payed Nurse. It’s obvious I’m talking to someone who thinks the Blinks just do everything for the Nurse, you’re just along for the ride.
As I stated, she is borderline OP. However she is not OP. The only nerfs I’ll accept would be reduced hearing and reduced capacity to see Blood trails. This would make her more susceptible to Stealth and hamper her tracking ability, but her Chase game remains as is. This would shake her meta up as Stridor and possibly Bloodhound would be used much more instead of the meta perks the terrestrial Killers use to help in chases, as they suffer less in tracking.1 -
@Runiver
So when the killer is hard to play, he must be at the same level as a killer that is easy to play...
Uhuh...
And for your MINDGAMES thing... you think, that a killer who teleports through walls has no mindgames? Like we have some kind of wallhack that we use to see survivors to land our blinks?
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I wish I could get back into the Nurse, but they changed a lot of how she works during the time period I wasn't playing and I just couldn't adjust.
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I'm with @Runiver on this on. Nurse is badly designed. Does not matter if she is hard to play or not. No killer should have that much power, period.
When she was introduced, infinities plagued the game. Nowadays there are not so much of those or killers have mechanics to help stop them (Window blockers for example). Nurse was already nerfed, but she still remains strong simply because no other killer can compete with her mechanics. Especially when running NOED or Make Your Choice with her. It's simply borderline OP.
I find it ironic that most players here are fine with the Nurse having the power-role and be frustrating for the survivors in general yet are against when the survivors frustrate the killers in general. Really shows you the bias on these forums when they don't want their side to be touched for whatever the reason.
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@Mc_Harty said:
I'm with @Runiver on this on. Nurse is badly designed. Does not matter if she is hard to play or not. No killer should have that much power, period.When she was introduced, infinities plagued the game. Nowadays there are not so much of those or killers have mechanics to help stop them (Window blockers for example). Nurse was already nerfed, but she still remains strong simply because no other killer can compete with her mechanics. Especially when running NOED or Make Your Choice with her. It's simply borderline OP.
I find it ironic that most players here are fine with the Nurse having the power-role and be frustrating for the survivors in general yet are against when the survivors frustrate the killers in general. Really shows you the bias on these forums when they don't want their side to be touched for whatever the reason.
I think people acknowledge that the Nurse is broken, but they don't want her to be nerfed (can she even be nerfed? How do you nerf a fundamentally overpowered character?) because she does to the survivors what the survivors do to every other killer except for maybe Hillbilly at high ranks. She controls the game. She's the only control killers have. Nerfing the Nurse before bringing every other killer up to Hillbilly or Huntress levels would not be fair.
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The game should be SCARY for the survivors. However, it should frustrate whoever’s worse st the game. If survivors = killers skill, 2 should die, killer shouldn’t over power them. If killer kills 3 or more, that should mean he’s better. However at this point, killing 2 is basically winning because of how skewed balance is
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@The_Manlet its also not fair for one side to have complete control of the match. Regardless of whichever role they play.
That's the problem with the Nurse and the Survivors.
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@popoles its a Horror game, not a I Wanna Be The Guy clone. You cannot expect players to stick around for frustrating mechanics. Look at how much killers complain about pallet looping and Decisive Strike. You're telling me that's fine if the shoe is on the other foot?
As for the Nurse, I don't play her, so whatever suggestion I make to nerf her would be simply disregarded. She does need a change though simply because she too powerful. I'll leave the suggestions to either the developers or the killers that play her, I don't care which.
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@SovererignKing
The whole point of having a variety of killers is to have a variety of DIFFERENT GAMEPLAY, not to make a singular killer stronger because of his power being stronger than others because he's harder to use.
They should all have downsides along with bonuses. And Nurses has just too many bonuses overall considering the downsides. Her uncontested GOD TIER in the place list since her release is just a proof of that issue.And yes, the commitment for a Nurse is rather light, especially with 3 blinks, especially if you're good with her.
"Billy can just M1 and be strong", well then, I wonder why Wraith isn't top tier then ?
@popoles YES, a killer that is hard to play SHOULD BE ON THE SAME LEVEL than a killer that is easy to play. Look at characters in everygames like... Let's say Genji on Overwatch, or Anivia on League of legends. They're really hard to play. Are they OP by any means ? No, they're not. The main point of having characters that are hard to play is to make it more enjoyable for a portion of players when they manage to master it, because it looks good and feels rewarding.
I could do a personal suggestion for Nurse, that could be tested on the PTB, but it will never happen, just let her :
Have 110/115% MS
Give her only 1 blink.
Remove the stun after blinking.
Add a cooldown on her blink (5, 7s, hard to tell ? Could be tested
Give a slight delay upon arrival before the hit (aka 0,1s max) so she cannot just teleport under pallets and hit before the pallet is down, but actually has to predict the side the survivor is at and teleport there. (No stun mid-blink tho) Since the vacuum is gone, a survivor cannot stand in the middle of the pallet anymore and pick a side afterwards or he'd get hit, and he'd have to get some mindgames.
Eventually, give her an add-on that give her a 2nd blink, but bring back a WAY LONGER EXHAUSTION if you use it. So you could ultimately use it to end a chase, but you'd totally lose your target if you failed your "double mindgame blink.That would make her remotely playable (not watching her feet every 5s), probably nearly as strong, but way more fair. She could still use her power to navigate, but her blink would actually have to be calculated, as if, for example, choose to teleport on the wrong side of a vault and a survivor predicted it, there would be no "Hey, I'll just tp to the other side and hit anyway", and you'd have to slowly turn around and vault, and suffer the cooldown of your blink while the survivor get a little distance instead of getting hit.
Don't worry tho, as I said, it's never gonna happen, ever. Ash is the original creator of Nurse, and since he's long gone, I don't think they did dare touching and tweaking her since then, which explains why she's still in that broken state right now, and even tho they had some stupid attempts to nerf her (aka stun mid-blink), they just cannot commit to change her enough cuz no balls, even tho every single tournament should be called "Trashbag fest" considering any killer above top 16 is just NURSE NURSE NURSE NURSE NURSE NURSE NURSE and people are like "This is fine, it's because people still can't adapt, even after 4k hours and being one of the best players in the world".
Hilarious.0 -
Oh, survivors are sure in "control" of the map if they "super-gen rush" a Nurse.
Is that really control tho ? Or just exploiting the fact that gens can be made super quickly with a coordinated team ? Very very debatable.0 -
@Runiver
Let's agree that we won't agree with one another.
I think the nurse is ok, you think the opposite.
(Even tho you still think the real killer is the one that runs around pallets and presses M1)
And for your suggestion: it's not bad. But it's like a better Hag with the select-to-teleport add-on (can't remember the name rn). No stun, cooldown, 110% MS...
Edit: isn't it Mint Rag?2 -
@popoles said:
@Runiver
Let's agree that we won't agree with one another.
I think the nurse is ok, you think the opposite.
(Even tho you still think the real killer is the one that runs around pallets and presses M1)
And for your suggestion: it's not bad. But it's like a better Hag with the select-to-teleport add-on (can't remember the name rn). No stun, cooldown, 110% MS...It's not a better Hag, since Hag would have a controlled Area rather than a bigger chasing potential/better roaming potential, and a cooldown. I play Hag very regularly, and they'd be pretty different even tho the fact they both have some kind of teleportations already make them rather similar. (Name is Mint Rag, for the add-on)
I agree tho, we can simply agree to disagree, and I respect different opinions.
It was nice discussing with you in any case.1 -
Just De-rank yourself back to 20, easiest solution right now
I don't enjoy playing Nurse as well but she's the only one viable at Rank 1, the fatigue system is what made me dislike about the Nurse
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Yeah, exchanging opinions is a good way to see both sides of the coin. Have a nice day!Runiver said:@popoles said:
@Runiver
Let's agree that we won't agree with one another.
I think the nurse is ok, you think the opposite.
(Even tho you still think the real killer is the one that runs around pallets and presses M1)
And for your suggestion: it's not bad. But it's like a better Hag with the select-to-teleport add-on (can't remember the name rn). No stun, cooldown, 110% MS...It's not a better Hag, since Hag would have a controlled Area rather than a bigger chasing potential/better roaming potential, and a cooldown. I play Hag very regularly, and they'd be pretty different even tho the fact they both have some kind of teleportations already make them rather similar. (Name is Mint Rag, for the add-on)
I agree tho, we can simply agree to disagree, and I respect different opinions.
It was nice discussing with you in any case.
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I'm currently trying to reach rank 1 using Freddy only. Went from rank 11 to rank 6. Yesterday I had 3 double pips in a row. I'm optimistic that I can reach rank 1 with him.Techn0 said:It's possible to rank with every killer, just much harder with some of them. I'd advise you avoid wraith, trapper and, Freddy at the moment but everybody else is fair game. Personally I've found great success with piggy for ranking up because she can stop gen-rush by a bit.
Bonus: the salt of losing against Freddy is really delicious.1 -
Nurse with her base kit is the only killer that can do well against very good survivors. Add in faster blinks or an another one and you get pretty much what every red rank nurse uses. Sometimes they'll throw in a mori for good measure.
Hillbilly with thompson mix/carb tuning guide and tinkerer can do well, but he needs you to constantly feed his bloodweb in order to have fun with him at high ranks (which is probably what I am going to be spending a majority of my double bp weekend on, is his add-ons/bloodweb even though he is already P3).
Huntress is slow as hell and gets looped super hard on maps that have trash in the way that make it impossible for her to hit someone with her hatchets. She is good if you use the BS machine gun hatchets or 1-shot ones (which is what happens in every single red rank game that you see her in). A lot of huntresses seem to love moris for some reason.
Doctor is good for farming BP with, throw on distressing/bbq and you can walk out with 40-50k bp even on a bad game.. but don't expect to win a lot versus decent survivors.. he is still prone to getting looped.
The rest of the killers can do okay, but don't be suprised when your ruin gets knocked out fast and you only walk out with 9k bp after getting only 2 hooks and the survivors that rush gens in a group walk out with 12-16k. It is what makes playing high rank killer so unfun... the lack of diversity of killers both as a killer player and a survivor that needs to constantly face those same 3 killers all the time.
The game needs more objectives for survivors.. make it so they can get more BP by doing more objectives (raise the bp max from 8k to like 10 or 12k for objective) and killers wont need to rely on broken add-ons in order to do well as well. Give survivors more to do than just generators...
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You don't HAVE to, it's just easier if you do.
Hell, I can point you to a Trapper Main that's rank 1 every season. And if I'm not mistaken, BigBlackMori mained Myers and he was always rank 1 as well.
It can be done, it's just harder.
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Yeah, if you are dedicated and thick skinned enough, you can be R1 with almost all killers.FrenziedRoach said:You don't HAVE to, it's just easier if you do.
Hell, I can point you to a Trapper Main that's rank 1 every season. And if I'm not mistaken, BigBlackMori mained Myers and he was always rank 1 as well.
It can be done, it's just harder.
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If you want to play at a "competitive" level, and I use that term lightly with this game, you have to play what character is currently deemed the strongest. Personally I'd say play for fun since rank means nothing and rewards nothing. I've said it plenty of times now but I honestly believe so much toxicity and frustration would be gone from this game if they just removed ranking from the game. It currently makes no difference since any skill player can play in any rank at any time with friends/rank reset. Remove rank and it increases lobby speed and reduces the stress others feel with the "pip" system. Play for fun and enjoy yourself.
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@FrenziedRoach said:
You don't HAVE to, it's just easier if you do.Hell, I can point you to a Trapper Main that's rank 1 every season. And if I'm not mistaken, BigBlackMori mained Myers and he was always rank 1 as well.
It can be done, it's just harder.
You can actually reach rank 1 with any killer with enough dedication.
You just need to try harder and be more scummy overall when it comes to gameplan and perks on lower tier killers if you do'nt want painful rounds.1 -
Hell, now that I think of it, my first Rank 1 was Myers. And I'm usually down in the purple ranks with the Doc before I lose my cool and put the game down.
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Getting rank 1 with any killer in the game is dead easy. The real question is will you be able to play the other killers at rank 1 without getting completely bullied by any survivors with half a brain/SWF. The answer to that question is no. If they play good, you lose. They play bad, you win. You both play good, you still lose. That's the problem. Nurse is the only one that truly gets around this and even she is still subject to other imbalances in the game such as how ridiculously too little of time it takes to power the gens and get out. Billy and Huntress can get around things to an extent, but still not as much as the nurse.
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+1 on stop paying attention to the rank
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@Peanits said:
You really don't gotta' play nurse. She's the best at countering looping because she can just blink through pallets and walls, but by no means do you have to play her to do well. With some practice, you can be just as effective with most killers.Except wraith/Freddy. That's hard mode.
I did it! I reached rank 1 playing Freddy only.
It really is possible to play any killer on high ranks.
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Eh...Tsulan said:@Peanits said:
You really don't gotta' play nurse. She's the best at countering looping because she can just blink through pallets and walls, but by no means do you have to play her to do well. With some practice, you can be just as effective with most killers.Except wraith/Freddy. That's hard mode.
I did it! I reached rank 1 playing Freddy only.
It really is possible to play any killer on high ranks.
Any new challenges?
Nurse without blinks? Dark Souls Super Ultra Hard Mode0 -
@popoles said:
Tsulan said:@Peanits said:
You really don't gotta' play nurse. She's the best at countering looping because she can just blink through pallets and walls, but by no means do you have to play her to do well. With some practice, you can be just as effective with most killers.
Except wraith/Freddy. That's hard mode.
I did it! I reached rank 1 playing Freddy only.
It really is possible to play any killer on high ranks.
Any new challenges?
Eh...
Nurse without blinks? Dark Souls Super Ultra Hard ModeI actually played against a no-blink nurse. She vaulted through windows.
Vaulted. Through. Windows.
She also had the 3 blink addons. I thought "nice meme", and messaged the guy. It turned out he wasn't meme'ing at all, and he blamed his failure on him not maining nurse.xD
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@skvirl said:
She also had the 3 blink addons. I thought "nice meme", and messaged the guy. It turned out he wasn't meme'ing at all, and he blamed his failure on him not maining nurse.i think he didnt refresh the daily rituals.. oh wait, the nurse has to blink hit to get the daily LUL
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While no one talks about how much powerful is the Spirit? She's so unpredictable and dangerous that you make even good survivors nervous by sitting in a place in front of them.0
