A killer mains top 5 survivor perks

Urban Evasion, Sole Survivor, Left Behind, No Mither, Clairvoyance. If you truly want the match to be fun for everyone, including the killers, make it easy for me and run bad perks like that.

If Dead Hard is so bad, why do all the good survivors still run it? Flashbang is balanced now, just can't go through the killer's body/walls. I prefer to be the obsession when I run Object; it is SO not a bad perk, unless you've already lost anyway. Invocations aren't so black and white, as one is a BNP on every gen on-map, and the other is wall hacks against any nearby killer (unless there's like zero crows around), but yeah there's probably better stuff to run. And Desperate Measures, agreed that it's a strong perk, because besides the healing speed (which affects self-heals too) it also increases unhooking speed which catches killers off-guard.

sorry but your comment as a whole is completely wrong understanding of macro and micro managing of mentioned perks.

Doesn't do this at all, even if the killer doesn't understand the first thing about this perk (like you don't). StB telegraphs that is in play and can only be used once per survivor. If perfectly executed, and every survivor brings this perk, you get a free exposed down (half a chase) on everyone but the first, and it can only be used 4 times total. And the survivor using it screams at you that they have it.

it literally does force 12-hooking because it makes early tunneling (also the only viable way of tunneling and ONLY IF there is a chain of mistakes made by survivors) completely useless. You don't need every survivor to bring the perk to get a massive value out of it, but i guess average player doesn't unserstand how to use selfless perks.

I won't deny that deliverance could be good if RNG is working in your favor. But if even one teammate doesn't know you have it (which isn't base kit) or you get hooked first, it's a dead perk slot. Survivors do not choose who is chased or hooked.

on actual high level of gameplay, if you make a mistake of being the first one chased, your teammate will take the chase in order to make you not waste Deli slot. And survivors can definitely choose who will be chased and hooked lol.

Both of these are hard countered by hitting the survivor off hook. Dead hard is two uses per game, ever.

bro OTR endurance is lost by hitting a survivor right off the hook ONLY IF survivor is unhooked in killer's face, which is absolutely the worst move you can make unless you were already greeding the hook against camping killer.

DH is two uses per game (and more with StB) and even with two uses it's very powerful lol.

DS is one of the most easily telegraphed perks in the game. If you're picking up a survivor who isn't on gens and running at your face, that is entirely you not reading the situation. Even lockers, you can walk away and let them reconsider their life choices. DS only works for 60 seconds, and it's entirely avoidable by the killer. The only time this should ever trigger is if you're actually tunneling (which is exactly what it's for), or if you walk into it face first because you have the game sense of a fence post.

"even lockers, you can walk away"...dude that is the point, you get indirect value off DS by making killer leave you, you literally forced them into a lose-lose situation by making them have to either leave you or take the stun.

DS literally works very well even at high skill levels because even if you down a DS carrier bodyblocking for their teammate, they will usually have UB or another perk to pick themselves up (or teammate can do it) which means you literally got value out of it.

Can we stop acting like only value of DS is when you actually stun the killer picks you up? Because that's a pure proof of bad understanding of the perk.

It could be good if it actually deterred camping, but since this perk is nearly 2 years old now and was gutted from ptb before it even hit live, this perk is so rarely useful is hilarious. They've had to add anti hook grab, AFC, and even have planned an upcoming "anti camp feature" because nothing they've done (including reassurance) is meaningful against camping.

lol? They added hook grabs removal for other reasons, anti-facecamp meter for...facecamping and they planned another anticamp feature because they care more about further buffing surv role and giving more power to it overall by making skill of average player just deteriorate even further.

And saying Reassurance is overall bad? One thing, first of all +10s to hook timer is one of the great ways you could see how it is powerful, not only against campers, but in many other scenarios too, because hook greeding is not only powerful in case of camping killers. It just takes a bit of deeper intensity of game knowledge to understand the massive power this perk holds lol.

You might as well give up. If people can't understand how locker DS is a lose-lose, or how STB isn't a guaranteed down and does (maybe not force 12-hooking but) make tunneling not work (because you're hooking 1 person 4+ times), there's no point in wasting breath.

I don't understand Shoulder The Burden in regards to 12 hooking or to help mitigate tunneling. -> this is like comparing it to Second Wind (helps being tunneled if you can outlast the broken status) - I've seen you or @NarkoTri1er complain about this perk.

since tunneling is a strategy that can basically give results only if it's applied earlier into the match as a way to take advantage of survivors making mistake in early game, this perk mitigates this by a wide margin.

Also, this perk mitigates heavy amount of pressure applied to a survivor due to them finishing on 2nd hook, because two survivors on 1 hook state is eons better than having one survivor on death hook, but many people who don't understand using altruism in it's proper form will fail to understand this.

Not to mention that Exposed timer for StB is not that long at all and in most cases it will run out way before you get hit.

You already get told that someone StB, it shows a permanent hook tally on the person, and the person is exposed? Why not return back to hook, down the exposed person (sure, they might use Vigil to reduce the exposed lol) - why not take the free down and get the StB person on hook? They're death hook now, why so fixated on the recent unhooked injured person? StB is a high risk, high reward perk and having the idea that because you've downed someone, I get to tunnel, it doesn't mean you should get a free down and easier game.

umm...first of all no smart player will unhook right after killer leaves the hook (and a lot of players who complain about tunneling are the ones doing this), especially if hook is in the resource deadzone. Unhooking right after killer leaves the hook and is still close by is not the flaw of perk and 40s exposed timer, it's exclusively fault of survivor unhooking who is not taking advantage of hook timer and is too impatient to go for an unhook.

StB is not a high risk perk if you understand when you should go for an unhook.

my edit : - 90 second hook timers became a thing when they increased gen times, but for some reason Behavior took a long time to do this change. It's ten extra seconds, if you would prefer we can go back to the regular gen and hook stage time limits, but I assure you that you do not want that — do not be disingenuous.

+10s to hook timer was extremely unnecessary for 90s gen timers, it was fine previously even though it could be abused to gain advantage. Survivor on the hook is technically invulnerable, and that's why you should be careful about when you are going for an unhook.

Shoulder The Burden obviously mitigates tunneling by giving an extra hook state to the person you were trying to tunnel. You realize that tunneling with 3 hooks is barely viable, especially since people can come in for body blocks or are free to rush gens unpressured at any time. I know tunneling is still too much for casuals (because they're not playing competitively, let alone doing gens or playing smart), but against good survivors, that's how matches go. Now imagine what they could do with 4 hook states. And that takes away a hook states from 1 person to do, but does that really hurt the survivors? No, because you need another hook to kill the person you were tunneling (1 more use of OTR/DH), or if you want to go for the unhooker instead, now you're spreading hooks which isn't viable. I forget that STB even has the Exposed negative to the survivor, because it always happens across the map, and the timer is so short you'll never get to them in time. Survivors know how to play safe or hide when they're Exposed; you don't simply go back to hook after they use the perk and get a free down. I disagree with NarkoTri1er on it forcing 12-hooking, but not on it forcing hook spreading. And of course, the STB hook mark means little when individual survivor hooks are intentionally hidden from killer players, forcing people like me to count hooks with coins irl (which is sad).

Second Wind, I only complain about because it's another off-the-hook activated thing and is a pseudo- instaheal. I don't place it as a meta perk or anything. But if (not when) the survivor meta ever gets nerfed, and they're complaining about none of their new meta options being good, there's a good perk for them.

I disagree with the devs on increasing the hook timer just because the gen times were increased. They were both increased by the same amount of seconds, but that doesn't mean equal, because they're 2 different things and their starting total was different as well. Everybody knew that gen speeds were out of control before the +10 seconds change, because they STILL are out of control. So all the +10 seconds on hook does is give more time for survivors to rush gens before having to save a teammate. Before the change, they could hook trade at the last second, repeatedly, and that would be a net positive for them compared to what the killer was getting. You got a free hook trade. So what? They can keep doing that, and they're never gonna send in the death hook person to do it, so you're giving them a free ≤8-hook game where none of the survivors die.

And it's not being disingenuous. BHVR took a long time to do the change, because they were indecisive, because they knew they shouldn't do it. And they still have you duped, thinking that balance is just a matter of keeping those 10+ seconds changes in line with one another or not at all. No, balance is stopping SWF from being a game breaking tool, because you can't balance for them and solos at the same time, currently. And if touching base times/balance leads to disaster every time, then the last solution to be ruled out (which hasn't been done once in this game's history) is nerfing SWF directly, through decreased gen efficiency or something. It's the only reasonable solution that we haven't tried yet.