Abandon makes playing well as killer feel unsatisfying

Hate to break it to you, but killers don't earn their wins. BHVR gives killers wins for free as intended in their own words. They literally design the game to give killers free kills by inflating their kill rates. All those "wins" you got were just given to you by the developers that are afraid the loud and vocal minority of killer mains will quit the game if there is a balanced 50/50 game play. Truth is, yourself like many killer mains got a thrill from the power trip fantasy which BHVR has played into in order to sell killer DLC. Problem is, their strategy backfired with the suicide/DC epidemic so as damage control they've introduced a mechanic to help survivors rage quit. Still too stubborn to sensibly balance their game like other popular PvP titles, but since the survivor quitting was only getting worse they had to give them something before the game completely died.

For the record, killers already DC on a frequent basis any time something doesn't go their way in the match. It only seems to happen less often because there are 4 survivors per 1 killer, and the kill rates are so inflated that chances are the game swings in the killers favor, who then sticks around to shake his head at survivors, hump them on the ground, and smack them on hook.

The fact that you care about whether survivors "win" or "draw" or "lose" in an invisible MMR system shows that your motivation for playing killer is all about inflating your ego and feeling like you are so special for making the survivor lose. You've already "won" the match and the survivors want to move on yet you want to force them to hang around to rub it in their faces.

Few things in here, some I agree with - some I don't.

"But I also have a bit of an issue about how it undermines the killer’s experience. You play well, snowball the match, and suddenly the survivors throw themselves at you just to force an early end. […] if you play well and efficiently it kind of builds toward something, but this system cuts that short the moment survivors are losing. It reeks of entitlement…"

That's one of the bits where I kinda get where you're coming from but where I also feel compelled to say that the "something" that's being built toward is "power tripping". It's not about forcing an early end or entitlement, it's about not being forced to be a punching bag when the match is already decided. That extra kick a killer can get out of dominating and kicking down is at the expense of the human beings on the other side - and it's even because it's actual human beings on the other side. Cause otherwise you'd get the same kick out of dominating bots.

Now, that being said; yes, I do think a forfeit option would do a better job in this regard (swiftly ending a match that, in the eyes of the players in the match, has already been decided) - for both sides. Cause yes, a killer player, too can end up feeling like a punching bag and atm there's quite the double standard when it comes to that.

And lastly:

The issue with matches not counting as a draw is MMR (tbh, I think the killer abandoning should also count as a draw MMR wise); if it resulted in MMR loss people would just forfeit/abandon left and right to de-rank. But iirc MMR is supposed to be changed again and I also suppose there are ways to mitigate that effect (max MMR loss per day/week from abandoning/forfeiting, e.g.)

Good job missing half the post and focussing on the slugging part.

Half the post is about the fact that survivor at any point in the match, most probably when the killer is snowballing, can simply decide to throw the towel, rush the killer to get downed and then instantly abandon penalty free. In other words survivor have now the ability to cherry pock a match that goes their way or metaphorically flip the table.

And the most "fun" thing is that the killer then has to clean up after the party or suffer a loss when abandoning themselves.

(This opinion is based on hearsay and forum info since I haven't played for years and don't exactly know if the draw for the survivor simultaneously is a draw on the killer side or if the killer can still "win" or "lose" when abandoning.)

Killers need their validation. Here and in game. All this really sounds like is Killer Role needs their Win spelled out to them in big letters.

Yeah, without the abandon feature it's just a waiting simulator.

Five minutes for the last survivor to die, you're actively humped on the ground, and then moried for the thousandth time.

But no, the survivor needs to socialize and have ggs with the killer instead of queuing into another match.

It's like people fighting with thin air, without recognizing how horrific the queues were before this change but no... They need to have the survivors in the game being humped, moried, and forced to sit through it unless they want to DC. I've seen a streamer (I will not name them) who held a streamer hostage for over thirty minutes as they went back and forth downing their SWF teammate (saying they were cheating for SWFing) and kept prolonging the game.

The streamer went to play something else due to how boring that feedback loop is, I'll take the abandon feature any day.

This is a very competitive community as most people are nowadays. So what I hear is a lack of sportsmanship when survivors go next. It's less satisfying to deathhook a bot. My personal belief is that most killers AND survivors really love rubbing the defeat or at least having it acknowledged aka witnessed by the opponent especially if they believe the other side played like a bully. Thus survivors butt dance in the exit gate and killers hump or bleedout slugs and hook beat the survivor until the final animation on hook. It's a form of powerplay. Abandon deprives one side of this. That is the dissatisfaction many people are feeling. My personal opinion about it is that it was an excellent addition. Either survivors go afk or locker spam to get sent next pre-abandon or go next when it is allowed. You can't force anyone to play the game.

Lmao sou stomp 4 survinvors and want say to them you had a gg game destroying them.

Gj bro.

Hopefully this gg thing dies One day because people have made its lose its meaning ages ago.

More like matchmaker being awfull.

It doesn't require slugs. You could have a match as Wesker where you avoid the downed state entirely and it still comes into play. The moment the last survivor is downed, it's available.

I feel like it's mostly a issue of ppl getting annoyed at the inconsistencies. Currently there's no time requirements to the survivor abandonment. It's very much possible to get the abandon queue a minute into the game. These were put in to avoid 4 minute bleedout scenarios, but are hitting way more. The killer abandon function on the other hand still involves long wait times of 10 minutes.

The "abandon" feature wasn't simply used for bleed out functions.

It's used primarily when all the survivors are downed or in scenarios where there is no common solution to progress the game forward.

Most of the time when I see abandons, they're mostly to speed along the process of the game ending especially when a survivor is eliminated early, a survivor kills themselves on hook, or everyone is slugged with many gens up and no pressure being applied.

I haven't seen survivors who directly run up to the killer and purposely throw the game, sure - there might be some who inherently throw the game and use this as a method to "go next". Most of the time that I abandon are times where I'm downed due to slugging for the fourth or somehow the team throws or the killer slugs everyone prompting the "abandon" function to begin with. It's entitled behavior to think that the other party should sit there and wait for the third to die to get moried when the person can simply go into the next game, rather being in a game and having to play the waiting game to be moried or crawl away to prevent being moried (what survivors did before these changes).

Oh yes, I agree and I do not disagree with that notion that survivors bring strong things and have unsavory tactics. I was just speaking on my behalf of the abandon feature and my views on it.

In that situation, yes - it does suck having to eat all of these perks like WGLF, DS, OTR, DH, etc and I do empathize with you there as someone who has played against annoying survivors.

However, at that point - you have won. You killed one of the annoying SWF members, they all run up to you, and force you to down them or slug them and they all abandon. You can continue onto a whole new game, hopefully with survivors who do not partake in said behavior. - I don't know, I don't understand the whole — survivor team did something bad to me, I kill one off early, and now I have to punish them by slugging and then forcing them to watch my mori.

I prefer efficient match to match gameplay, rather than drawn out games to be petty to one another. I've had killers do specific things to me and I do not take it out onto the next killer and just think of each game as its own thing and I hardly partake in the behavior you described above.

Edit: allowing this feature typically for how I view it is to streamline the process, we already see how people complain about killer queue times. The abandon features allows these long drawn out games to finish, so other players can go back into the queue. For me, I have faster queue times, so I objectively see this as a bonus.

Even when I played killer, I hardly messed with the mori option as I don't want to sit around as a survivor hits skill checks, I'd rather hook, and move onto the next game personally speaking.

I understand being tilted at the game and I have been tilted as playing killer, but I really try not to keep the game going longer if needed. I could queue into another game and potentially have a better time as killer and survivor with the abandon feature as it is. So, as a killer or survivor, I do not exhibit petty behavior and I do not take it out onto others.

So, in your situation of fighting fire with fire and downing the people who have done things to you - what is the goal of this situation? Have all 2-3 survivors bleed out for four minutes and then what?

What do you hope to accomplish by this type of playstyle? When I come across unsavory things as a survivor or killer, I just play normally, and the game ends.

What do you want in the situation of survivors utilizing perks or tactics and make the game more of a hassle for you as a killer? Do you want them to just stay on the hook and attempt to kill themselves, taking attempts, and you downing them to slug them longer and/or put them back on the hook? Do you want to juggle and pick them up continually and bounce them like a basketball? Do you want to shift back and forth on their body or stare menacingly at them from a distance? All of these things prolong a dead game, so why not end the game and move onto the next one? What is your objective and end game here?

You are wanting to prolong a game, for survivors to reach the end of the game of a hassle for you, slugging/hooking them or whatever transpired, and you want them to reach the end game chat to say ggs to you when we both know that will not be what's shared in the chat at all. What is your fixation on needing people in end game chat to socialize with when most of the PC chat is the odd ggs, salty edgy things, or nothing exchanged at all as people typically leave when they die?

The abandon feature only kicks in play when all survivors are slugged on the ground or when no one has touched a generator in ten minutes.

There are killer players who objectively choose to slug to undermine and abuse the method, but again - this is a minority view. Just like the idea that survivors are throwing themselves at you to go next, I do not see it happen for it to be abused on a large scale.

Without the abandon feature, your argument that the killer is there for entertainment can be used on its head the other way around. - before the abandon feature, killers would down survivors and bleed them out for four minutes. Killers would do unsavory behavior, just like survivors do unsavory behavior. Three gens popping during a single chase does not mean the game is over, the game is still doable - regardless, at some point if the chase is going that long, the killer should have long abandoned and went for an easier target.

These things are not comparable as the killer can and will control the dynamic of a match, they are the power role after all and have the ability to do what I just described in the above.

I don't know the types of games that you have and I'm not minimizing them, but they are not all games in essence. Some survivors, yes -- especially burnt out ones will go and kill themselves, throw themselves at the killer, or whatever game ending things you think of; they are not the majority.

When I play survivor and in a hypothetical situation like that ^ Pain Res, Grim Embrace, PGTW, and Corrupt as examples and gens do not pop or people go on the hook, I do not have my randoms or I go run up to the killer and just give up, maybe it's my MMR - but I do not see that behavior in my games.

What you described is not a reason for abandon to be seen as a "bail out" card. Without it, are survivors supposed to be there as entertainment for the killer to slug all the survivors and force the last into a mori mechanic and waste the user's time? Because that's how most games were before the mechanic was introduced and many people were complaining about the mechanic as it caused more drawn out games.

Edit: if you want that to be an abandon mechanic, you are free to think so, but games can be taken back the less gens are up as they're more defendable for a killer. - survivor starts strong at the beginning, while the longer the game goes on it starts going into the killer's favor.

I was referring to the 10 minute abandon option, not the wait time. Currently killers must wait 10 minutes after the last gen pops to get that option... For killer abandon options, they DID implement ridiculously long time requirements.

It's either killers (who are the power role) changes their behavior, which is not going to happen. The survivor team (even individual) needs to change their behavior, which is not going to happen. What you are advocating for is not possible, a game or even people cannot change how others play.

In my previous post, I remember distinctly a Wraith player bleeding everyone out on RPD, as a soloq player, and bleeding them all out for four minutes. Nothing will change for this Wraith player, they will continue doing the behavior because there was nothing done to speed the process up. Survivors are stuck here enduring four minutes of downtime because of this one Wraith player.

I've had a Wraith play for hatch, I go to the hatch, he closes it - guess what he did? He downed me, I stayed on the ground for 3 minutes and 59 seconds as the end game collapse went on, and he moried me at the last second - completely petty and asinine behavior.

You cannot change this behavior, people will do what they want, how they want, and do the things that they do because it's a power trip for them. People teabagging at the gates, that is a power trip for them. There is no gameplay mechanics, nothing to push people to not do this behavior - and now, when I play a game of DBD - I am not subject to sitting on my tummy and crawling around like a snake for four minutes. I want to go and play different games and it's not a bad thing for me to say I want more seamless matchmaking. No one wants to sit in a game and go against this as a survivor, so yes, I will abandon every time.

I don't know if Behavior implemented a system where if someone has Unbreakable (something I brought up during the PTB) but if not, that can be a change that's discussed about as that is an ability for one survivor to pick themselves up — but if there is no way to pick ourselves up or two survivors are being petty and won't pop a gen for ten minutes (never been in this situation as I'd go and sacrifice myself) so I can get into another game.

I want to play the game I paid for, not be a subject of entertainment for the power role to waste my time.

The person you responded to was responding to the post as a whole as people are implying how the "abandon" option is utilized.

The person responded, albeit in a exaggerative way by saying "Killers need to have WIN in all caps for them to be happy."

Which you responded back with how survivors teabag at the gate, so what's the difference.

I chimed in and said what I said that painting one side as doing toxic things is not an argument.

Killers saying that the abandon feature is a "bail out" or "ggez I'm going next" defeats the purpose of the intention behind the "abandon" feature and even though the poster you responded to was exaggerating — what I am reading from people that do not like the abandon feature are people stuck in the frustration loop. Survivor team made the game a hassle for me, I kill one of the survivors, now I am upset that they give up. - regardless I do not find this a large scale problem to warrant getting rid of the abandon feature like @Flawless_ here says.

It's like people want others to endure long, drawn out games to have the upper hand. The game is dead by definition unless the survivor team has done substantial gen pressure, so advocating for the removal in let's say - I, as a killer endured so much to get here, they should endure the same like I endured is an odd take. People running specific builds (WGLF) are more than likely not on a gen because they need to get value from WGLF. Someone flaunting their OTR and DS are not on a gen or progressing the game forward (the other team, sure, might be pushing gens) - perks like these are not pushing the game forward as the user typically is not pushing the game forward, so the argument that I endured so much, why can't the other side doesn't hold weight for the "abandon" feature. The "abandon" feature was implemented to stop long, drawn out games from occurring in the first place.

The alternative - even with the exaggerative tone of the person you responded to was accurate to how it was in the past. People would slug and do unsavory behavior like slugging and bleeding out, humping on the ground, and even teabagging at the exit gate as all forms of time wasters.

However, if people are advocating for the "abandon" feature for when survivors are teabagging and not leaving, sure. - I do not think that's the correct route to take, as you can always get survivors who are stragglers, have a killer with an endgame build not have any surprise at all (the survivors will wonder why the killer didn't abandon) - by all means, we can stretch that definition to include that but it would destroy killers with endgame builds too, as now the survivors can just abandon as well.