General Discussions
General Discussions
Seeing killer in lobby
Hi, like in title i think its a good idea to see with which kind of killer are we going to play against and who is he/she (possibility of seeing his/her profile on steam), before the match starts in lobby. If killer can see survivors and their steam profiles, why cant survivors also see the killer and his/her steam profile. From my observation i can see that many people DC after starting match, because they see killer they dont want to play against and i can understand it (legion, spirit, plague). What do you think about it?
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That's just way too strong. If people would know they'd go against a trapper, they would bring in a sabo toolbox. And a flashlight with Hag and Wraith. If people don't want to play against a specific killer, then they should start playing killer only and spend all day with the killer they desire.
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That's how it use to be but killers kept screeching and crying about getting dodged. Funny how it's ok for killers to dodge based off what they see but not survivors.
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And here comes sense of franklin demise perk, because it will not be toxic anymore and thats the way how to counteract this
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Except for the fact that seeing Killers and Survivors have serious differences. A Survivor you only see at most the type of item they're holding that's the strongest kind of information you can get but If you see the killer you could use the most effective perks/items against their power.
You see a spirit or Doc, everyone equips Calm spirit to weaken their power, You see a Hag or a wraith everyone brings a flashlight, Nurse everyone brings dead hard.... I could go on and on.
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It's not just items, it's also perks that can be very strong against certain killers.
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Well that sounds like a surefire way to make killers stop killing.
That would seriously only increase toxicity and misery towards the killer.
Like not only could you build specific builds to completely neuter the killer but you seriously want killer ids to be shown too? Do you not see how the 4 (usually friends usually toxic) would abuse this information against the 1? There’s already a problem (at best it’s petty and salty af, but I mean at worst it could get genuinely nasty) with nasty survivors trying to tear into a killer post death or post game - before a game though? That’s just asking for too much trouble.
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And what about not seeing killer, but only getting information about his nickname and steam profile? People usually write comments about player, the most if he is a camper or tunneler it can be helpful to play for fun what in my opinion should be the most important in every single game. 2nd thing is i just wanna know with what type of player i am playing against, what is his name etc.
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I think playing for fun (on BOTH sides) should be optimal too.
But that’s asking for too much personal information to be at the mercy of a 4 man group hellbent on trying to make the killer miserable. If you want to be friends with a killer, you can always wait until after a match. If you have been facing some nasty killers employing anti fun tactics, make a build that counters camping and tunneling.
I’m sorry but this suggestion sounds heavily survivor sided.
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Part of the challenge as a survivor is choosing a load out that works for your play-style regardless of who the killer is.
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Not saying it would be fair just saying that's how it use to be but now only one side can do it and it gets abused alot. I spend 95% of my survivor time as solo so I think you can understand my frustration when I get dodged because of the other people in the lobby.
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Each killer comes with their own drawbacks/weaknesses and seeing the opposition only further weakens the killer's potential. You'd also start seeing lobby dodge not against killer choice but hunting for specific killer id for an easier game. Survivors and item skins are pretty universal so there isn't much damage aside from Franklin's for a full toolbox squad.
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So tell me why killers should have this kind of information? Why should they know what kind of item survivor takes, why can killers look at survivor steam profile before match? Many killers leave when they see too good people, or take franklin perk to be toxic, so why cant solo survivors do the same? On this forum i usually can read how many killers needs more, and how poor they are, and what about survivors? Blood points from match as survivor is crap right now i will not say anything more because there is too many to tell about. and yes i am main survivor, but i also play as killer, but for me playing as killer is boring thats why i play as survivor.
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If survivors have to have suprise with killer so why cant killer have the same with survivor. I ve never seen killer who didnt take franklin demise or op addones and offering if all survivors took flashlight, where is here balance?
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I can understand your point, but seeing which Killer the Survivors are playing against would really be too much. It is already sad that Killers can cherrypick and lobbydodge, there is no need for Survivors to be able to do that when they play vs Top Tier Killers or Killers they dont like. Even though it would be some kind of fairness, because one side is able to do something this side should not do, the other side should not be allowed to do the same.
Same for seeing the Killers name - this can also give away some information. I would rather prefer that neither the Survivor Names, nor the Killers name are visible in the Lobby.
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People would seriously abuse that. Because if they see what killer they are going up against then they will set up there perks and items to suit that killer. Which will leave the killer at a massive disadvantage and they will potentially more than likely lose full stop.
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Killers like Myers would be less effective than soggy toilet paper and killers wouldn't be able to use perks such as insideous and monitor.
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That's because survivors can more easily earn BP across multiple matches where as killers really struggle and have to grind due to the vast amount toxicity survivors have due to the love they have.
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Franklin Perk is toxic now LOL
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The easiest thing would be neither side has access to any information until end of the trial.
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How about no, killers are already at a disadvantage unless they play the 2 top killers in the game. Should we just stop playing once we reach high rank?
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Well considering I can't even find anyone at rank 1 on killer you might as well stop playing till they fix it.
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I agree with that.
Next probably main killer crying... like i said on forum i can see many people telling that killers needs buff, even if they are already good i just want balance for solo surv players like me, if i am taking good eq i at least once want to not meet franklin or op add ones. It also can be a little bit bigger chalenge for good killers
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An integral part is for the Survivor to not know what they're facing.
It's one of the reasons MLGA was later removed from the whitelist.
Unless a vast majority is boycotting this mechanic, i don't see this change.
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Would you prefer we brought a toolbox and helped repair the gens. Also we don't talk about some of the op and ridiculous stuff survivors have do we no. Such as a adrenaline.
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Would you prefer we will hook ourselfes and you dont have to do absolutly nothing? i really dont like this kind of comments it means nothing at all and only shows toxicness ... For you (probably main killer) every single kind of balance is bad ... i cant understand it ...
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I don't need help I carry Franklin's on most killers and put an extra sting with noed on a few killers. I am a killer main but you are saying that killers in total are op. You probably don't play as much of killer so you really don't understand the struggles a lot of us killer mains have. We try our hardest throughout matches I had a match and everytime I went to hook a survivor the hook was broken when I was nearly there and this happened all of the time. I have had matches where survivors have physically stood and body blocked. I have had unlimited flashlight spammers. I have unlimited gen rush. My hexes get destroyed within seconds. I aren't the only killer main who has all these problems some killer mains have it worse some have it a little bit less but we are undervalued as killers then after all our hard work what do you survivor mains do after the hell you have put is through during the match you teabag at the exit gate. When you look at all of this you start to wonder why killer mains end up tunneling and camping because a lot of the time this is the only way we can enjoy ourselves. Spare a thought for all us killer mains and our annoyance.
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i agree with opinion that seeing killer in lobby and seeing his profile isnt a good idea after what you wrote, but i cant understand why many of you think that not seeing survivor in lobby and not seeing his profile is a bad idea? Why? Because you cant prepare yourself as killer?
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Personally i wouldn't really mind not seeing Survivors.
But certain Perks are taking huge advantage of this mechanic, and the devs surely know that Killers take that advantage, yet do nothing about it so far.
Plus, i can't give you source, but i remember Mcote saying on stream that he wants Survivors to have a disadvantage like this in the lobby.
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Dead by daylight is suppose to be a horror game and survivors should earn an escape with a disadvantage all of the horror films killers have the upper hand so why can't it be the same for this game
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What makes it a bad idea?
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If I see 4 toolboxes right now I can either pick franklins or a mori to counteract the idiotic genrush.
If I saw 4 toolboxes during the game while I ran some brown addon funbuild I'd just DC.
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Using a perk to counter four opponents isn't toxic. Its One versus Four; the one is at a disadvabatge against four other minds. That one should have some small advantages. If you had your way nobody would play Killer because winning would be impossible. Think about what you're asking for; people would abuse this knowledge to guarantee they'd never lose and make playing Killer completely miserable, and then there would be no game.
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I can tell you that i am in 90% of games not a toxic survivor, but when i see camper or tunneler i am. i can advise you to play:
- for fun
- from time to time as survivor to take a break from killers if it is so annoying
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I agree, just saying i would shrug it off IF it were to happen.
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Dude. Killers get called Campers or Tunnelers any time they try to win. The only time they don't is when they go stand in a corner and let the survivors run the map. Do you even play Killer at all?
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Yes i also play as killer (less but still) and i camped only in first few matches, when i didnt know how to play as killer, but when i learned and saw how annoying it was i stoped and from this time i am not even close by hooked person i have good perks and i know that i dont have to play as garbage. 1st i play for fun (if i will not hook everyone it doesnt matter) 2nd i dont care about my rank, because like i said I PLAY FOR FUN, no to get smaller number and special color (rank)...
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Yes i play as killer (less but still) and i camped and tunneled in first few matches when i didnt know how to play as killer, but after those few matches i could see how annoying and toxic it was so i stopped. Now i have good perks and i will never camp and tunnel again. i am going to tell you 2 the most important thing for me when i play as killer:
- I play for fun and it doesnt matter if i will not hook everyone, it is just a game, but i usually do it without camping and tunneling
- I dont care about rank. It is just a stupid number in upper corner of menu with specific color which for my fun means nothing and from this what i can read here many people are more and more angry when they have smaller number which is sad...
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So you never try to win. Got it.
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That’s the fun and mystery about it. When a survivor is in game they should be surprised or be thinking who could be the killer. Like Myers or pig like stealth ones. That would ruin it for the stealth ones.
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I usually win and i didnt say i dont try, but why do i have to be toxic? For me it is unneeded.
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Can you make that whole thing a gif I could save because honestly that's hilarious.
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im r1 on my killer and still get games easily even at 4am so i dont know what ur talking about.
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I want the killer to hide the items brought by the survivors.
This is because there are killers that break up items other than lights.
In particular, most Japanese players are.
They are very bad manners.
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Seeing what killer ahead of time would be broken as hell
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Well survivors aren't supposed to know because if they did they would just make the game hard for the killer. It's a 1v4 with gens on a timer with gen rushing.
Example: If Survivors know they're going against a Freddy, they will all use Mist offerings or Coldwind offerings or all go Claudette's with dark outfits making the game super hard and frustrating for him.
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If you want to just see my name "Kilmeran" on my Steam profile, then sure: be my guest.
My Steam profile is set to everything being private, otherwise. Won't do you much good. You won't see my games, achievements, or anything.
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See, that depends on how to define a win. For me, it is just getting enough bloodpoints. And the number of bloodpoints as a goal is going to vary between players, and lead to debates that just go around in circles (and insults at some point), so I'm not going to say what amount of bloodpoints I consider a good match for me.
I don't care if I 4k. I don't care if I pip. Rank is something I could not possibly care any less about. If I want to play for rank ever again (fun tip: I don't), I'll go back to Competitive Overwatch. I gave-up on that style of play over a year ago, and have no desire to ever sweat about rank again. But if I did, then I sure as hell wouldn't waste my time on this sorry excuse for a rank system.
I play Killer in DbD to play in a little horror film vignette. Me versus four survivors. I'm nearing 50 years old, my days of sweating in a video game are in the past. I play for fun and use DbD to relax. If I want to go full-tilt PvP on a given night, then I'll log into Overwatch or Apex Legends that night. I'm not going to use a 1v4 asymmetrical hide-and-seek game for that.
As far as survivors escaping, I also look at it this way: Myers got absolutely bullied by Jodie, her daughter, and granddaughter in Halloween (2018). Poor guy got one kill on those four, on the daughter's husband, and three survivors escaped in a bad way. Freddy never gets all his planned kills in the end. Jason is beat every film. If my survivors escape that trial, oh well. That's what ultimately happens in the Slasher genre.
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I honestly wish they couldn’t see survivors. Double blind plz.
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Let me tell you what happened in late 2016/early 2017.
Survivors could then looks at the killer profile by using Steam's functions.
There wasn't a lot of different killers in the roaster back then.
So they could guess which killer their opponent mained by looking at their achievements.
Mine was Trapper.
And how surprising, every survivors suddenly had Small Game.
Couldn't even trap anyone anymore, making Trapper a M1 killer without power.
TLDR: It got heavily abused, the game become unplayable.
Because here i'm only talking about my case, but don't get me started on the poor Nurse mains who couldn't even fill their lobby anymore because of how hard they got dodged at the sight of a Nurse achievement.
At a time where Infinite existed let me remind you, LuL.
A few of numerous examples...
And of course there were already peoples who enjoyed/defended it, for the sake of fun.
Their own fun, of course, don't you dare asking for an enjoyable gaming experience, in their mind you're just here to be bullied and entertain them.
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