Do you killers find it unfair when a survivor unhook themselves in end game

It is hella unfair but sadly it won't go away. We had the same problem back when bt and ds did the same thing during end game. (Dunno how they work today, haven't played in years)

Survivor had/have multiple shields that help from a hook nearly anywhere on the map until the gate.

"Survivor need a chance at an escape at any time or they won't continue playing".

Nah. I mainly think, "Damn, congrats!"

Then again, while I'm someone who'll still try to perform well when I play killer, I also don't really care if I get a 1K or a 4K. I just shrug and move on to the next match.

You can't fault for killers playing the game.

While I wish you were right, 4% is a pretty high chance for an effect of "You lose, even though you had already won." While not an issue worth removing elsewhere, that part's a pretty big issue. Could always come with some caveat like a distance requirement from either exit gate or something.

Not really.

I realize that 4% is such a low chance that, when it does happen, I just nod in excitement at them for managing it.

It's about the spirit of the game. It's about being able to just put the match on pause and being able to laugh with the other side as human beings. Killers expect a survivor to immediately be on their side when something unlucky or lucky happens to them. They think survivors are obligated to stop progressing the game to pay attention to whatever it is they want. To give them sympathy, etc. However, when the shoe is on the other foot, most killers don't halt their game when a survivor wants the killer to pay attention to whatever they want, even if they 4% in their face.

Like I said, I definitely take breaks and do silly stuff then do resets, but you still can't fault the killer for playing. All because you want to take a break and do silly stuff doesn't mean you should expect the killer to stop playing the game. That would be like the killer stopping in the middle of the chase and spin in circles, then the killer gets mad at the survivor for not stopping running away to come back and spin with them. Some people want to simply play the game and not do silly stuff. It's silly to expect people to suddenly stop playing the game just because you want to.

Sure, you CAN stop playing the game when others do, and yes its funny and hilarious when it happens, but its ridiculous to have hatred and contempt for the other player just because they dont play along with it.

For me, I play ghostie, so I do a LOT of silly shenanigans if the opportunity arrises. Like if I'm in a chase and someone puts a frost trap on a pallet. I'll stop, look at the trap, look up at the survivor, look down at the trap, look at the survivor, then I'll just turn a 180 and look away with my back to the survivor until they leave. Why? It's just something stupid and silly which breaks up the stress of the match for everyone. However, I feel its unrealistic to expect every killer to do this.

Killing a survivor is the killers objective. Finishing gens is the survivors objective. Do you ever just stop repairing gens for the "spirit of the game"? You're trying to force this unwritten rule against 1 player of the match outcome of 5 players where 1 player MUST stop playing the game because you expect it, but you're not holding that demand against anyone else including yourself. If anything is hypocritical, it's that. When are survivors to suddenly put on the brakes and stop playing so the killer can progress their objective? In the end, you are demanding that your opponent stop playing the game so you can keep playing yours risk free- how DARE they. When do you EVER stop playing the game and let them progress their objective for free?

These moments are great and I think healthy for the game, I entirely agree with that. I do that, myself. Im just pointing out it's flawed thinking to have contempt for the killer for playing the game and instead expecting them to stop playing just because you want them to.

First paragraph - Okay then, then do tell when do you sudden stop playing the game so the killer can progress his objectives? If you're demanding your opponent stop playing the game just because you want them to, then certainly it's fair for them to make the same demand as you. Don't you think it's a bit silly that only killers are held against this rule where they are suddenly not allowed to play anymore?

Second paragraph - that's a fine opinion to have, and it's one I entirely agree with. Like i said, I personally do that, myself. Im just pointing out it's silly to be upset at your opponent to suddenly stop playing the game just because of a 4% chance (WHICH SURVIVORS CAN INCREASE) of something happening. What comes next? Putting on slippery meat perk on and luck offerings on all survivors just so the killer has a higher chance at stopping to play the game? Come on. The killer doesn't know what perks you have if that was just slippery meat, or if the survivor brought the perk that GUARANTEES self unhooks in basement. You honestly expect all killers to stop playing the game just because you brought a Sable perk? None of this makes any sense to force this expectation on the killer.

If the killer plays along with something silly or unusual happening, then cool! If not, hating in them for literally playing the game is just silly especially when you expect being a survivor makes you immune to ever considering the killer's situation, as well.

Im pointing out that the killer has NO IDEA if you brought a self unhook build. YOU know you brought it, not the killer, and yet you expect, no, demand that all killers stop playing the game anytime someone unhooks themselves.

Let me put it this way, you are a killer. A survivor just unhooked themselves. According to your rule, you MUST stop playing the game. Was it a genuine 4%? Was it a self unhook build? You dont know. If you DARE chase them, if it was a 4%, you offend them and they run off to the forum to complain. If it was a self unhook, then no harm no foul....but...which one could it be. The only safe option is to stop playing the game, and only killers are demanded to stop playing the game because of chance. Survivors are immune and they can just keep playing, killer feelings be damned.

The fact is, self unhook builds exist, and the killer has no idea if it's in play or if it was a genuine 4%. With no way to tell, what do you, as the killer player do? Either you respect ALL self unhooks in case it was a 4% and stop playing, or you dont respect it and dare play as intended.

By demanding killers respect the 4%, you also demand that any survivor bringing self unhook perks get a free pass and killers must stop playing since there is absolutely no way for the killer to know if a survivor has such a build. It's an unrealistic expectation, and even if it wasn't, you're upset that the killer isn't playing the game as intended which is in itself a silly notion.

Personally, in that situation, I respect the 4%

It is not considered unfair for a survivor to unhook themselves no matter the context or how you put it. They get lucky and you didn't. It sucks but that's how it is. It is fair

It's abundantly clear you are being outright disingenuous to rage bait, but I'm going to respond anyway so the other people in this thread can have a solid understanding of the game.

The killer has absolutely no information on if someone is running a self unhook perk build. The fact you are claiming killer sees survivor perks, bruh, you're wasting my time, here.

I literally explained it to you, and I will do so again.

Then again, maybe I'm being unfair and you're new. Tell you what, go into a match. First person you hook. Report on what perks they are running. Make a video or something with you calling it out if they happen to unhook themselves. Definitely distinguish between 4% and what their 4 perks are. Deliverance is a given, so our target is perks such as slippery meat. Also don't forget that people unhooking themselves with unhook offerings could have still been a 4% unhook chance and the offering did nothing. You'll need to distinguish if the offerings actually helped or not.

Your request is actually hilarious because you're grasping at straws. To reiterate what I said above, I will explain to you how the average player can deduce these things:

These are the only perks survivors can run that can be used to constitute a self-unhook build:

• Deliverance - Can be deduced if the survivor is broken after unhooking. The broken effect lasts for 60 seconds. This is longer than second wind, which will heal the survivor to full after 20 seconds. This can 100% be deduced based on these two facts alone.
• Slippery Meat - Can be deduced if the survivor does not successfully unhook themselves on the first try. With maximum luck offerings, up the ante, and slippery meat, there is a 29% chance the survivor will unhook themselves on the first try. That leaves a 71% chance for the killer to be able to deduce slippery meat, if they flat out ignore the 4 Vigo's Jar of Salty Lips offerings. A killer can deduce slippery meat if the first unhook fails because one unhook will take away half of the bar it usually does (1/12 vs 1/6th). In reality, You will most likely have a 92 out of 100 chance if only slippery meat is in play to be able to deduce it.
• Up the Ante - Cannot be deduced on its own with certainty, but it is usually combined with luck offerings and slippery meat, and can be assumed but not confirmed this way.
• Wicked - Cannot be deduced on its own, but player behavior can help assume whether or not it's in play. If a basement offering was burnt by survivors, if a Sable player is in the match because it is her teachable perk, if a survivor runs towards the basement when no other options to loop are available. After the unhook, if it feels like the survivor knows where you are around line of sight blockers (it gives 20 seconds of aura read on the killer after unhooking). It is a judgement call and can be deduced, but not with 100% certainty.

Offerings:

• Chalk Pouch, Cream Chalk Pouch, Ivory Chalk Pouch, Salt Pouch, Black Salt Pouch, and Vigo's Jar of Salty Lips are all unhidden offerings. The killer can see these before the match begins, and if they go to the menu to inspect the offerings burnt. If these are in play (especially the last 3), a base 4% is impossible already, and they are most likely running other self unhook perks as well.

I know meta knowledge and game sense require a lot of time and skill to fully utilize, so if you have any more questions on topics you don't fully understand, the community would gladly be able to help you!

Sorry, I wasn't aware you were talking about also camping the hook too, I dont camp hooks unlike yourself. With keeping in mind you're just camping hooks as the killer, sure you can take a guess that they "might" have a lack of a build of unhook if they dont unhook the first time, but you're ignoring the fact that they still can. You probably are not aware, but many self unhook options are not guaranteed. Deliverance is easy to realize they have. As for the basement guarantee unhook, even if you're just camping the hook staring at them as you mention, you still dont knoenif it was just 4% lucky, or if they have the Sable perk on. If they fail their first undertook attempt, then you know its not the Sable perk, but they still could have other unhook options that just increase success chance.

At the end of the day, you can stomp your feet here all you want, the killer will never know if a self unhook was a genuine 4% or was engineered in some way outside of deliverance which gives a clear notification via the UI. They can make an educated guess, but you will not know for certain. Lets say they unhook right away. You say its bad to go after them because its poor sportsmanship. What if it was the Sable perk? Okay let's say they fail the first attempt, what if it was slippery meat? You genuinely will never know. Only educated guesses at best. Even offerings could have zero effect and it still be within the 4% chance. All the offerings do is increase the chance of success, it doesn't guarantee it.

But let's say you somehow know exactly what perks they are running as a guarantee which you claim is somehow possible. Even if you knew 100% that it was absolutely the 4%, it WOULD STILL be silly to get upset at the killer for literally playing the game as intended. Let me repeat myself - you're issue here is that you are absolutely furious at the killer for playing the game as intended.

No matter what your defense is here man, it isn't realistic. A killer's goal is to eliminate survivors. That is their sole and entire goal, and yet you are saying that there should be a baseline where the killer player and the killer player alone MUST stop playing the game if a completely RNG aspect of the game triggers, and that survivors aren't held to the same rule.

Have kudos and respect for killers who let survivors escape who 4% off, absolutely! Have utter contempt and hatred for killers who dare kill a survivor? Come on.

Now you're changing your story. You said you could deduce what they have by telling if they failed their first unhook attempt. I suppose you could just stare at the UI instead of actively chasing survivors while you write some thesis on UI elements, but frankly, any killer actually playing the game should be busy chasing survivors and not sitting around.

I dont care what you claim or what exploit you're using to see survivor perks, when someone unhooks themselves on first attempt, outside of deliverance, you will NOT 100% know if it's from a perk or even an offering. As I said, you can at best make an educated guess. You hook in basement, they unhook themselves in front of you and they arent broken. Tell me with absolute 100% certainly if that was 4% or a Sable perk. You claim you can, so put your money where your mouth is and show it.

I see what you're trying to do here, so I'm not letting you waste my time further. My advice is to stop hating on killers for literally playing the game as intended and instead simply appreciate the occasions when killers decide to throw the game and have silly fun with survivors.

Again, the highest percentage a self unhook could be on the first time without any indication to the killer would be is 17%. This is with every survivor still alive, up the ante, and slippery meat. In a situation where people would used to respect the self unhook would be usually if they are the last or second last survivor. That brings the percent down to between 11% and 14%. So instead of 4 unhooks out of every 100 attempts, you get on average 12 unhooks out of every 100 attempts. That being said, there is still an overwhelmingly likely odds, practically 88%, that they will not unhook on the first try without you being able to deduce with 100% certainty if they have any perks to aid them. It's even worse with up the ante only, as to not give away the slippery meat pick, which at most would bring your odds to 11%, and at worst bring it down to 7% (less than a Vigo's Jar, and you don't have to use a perk slot). That being said, nobody is running these combinations. Why only partially commit to a self-unhook build when killers do not respect self-unhooks anymore? Your logical deduction is incorrect, my friend.

I dont care what you claim or what exploit you're using to see survivor perks

There are no exploits. As I've stated, this kind of game sense and knowledge is an intermediate to advanced level topic. Please keep working at it!

I see what you're trying to do here, so I'm not letting you waste my time further. My advice is to stop hating on killers for literally playing the gsme as intended and instead simply appreciate the occasions when killers decide to throw the game and have silly fun with survivors.

I'm just trying to tell you how perks work and how the game is played with that knowledge. If you do ever need help on some of these harder, higher-skill topics, don't hesitate to reach out on the forums so the community can help you out! We're all in this together, friend!

This response shows me that you were not around when killers would respect the 4%! That's probably where this miscommunication is taking place! Your assumption of "throwing" is incorrect. The unwritten rule at the end of the match (most survivors were already sacrificed, the game was won for the killer already), was to just let the survivor leave. The vast majority of killers did this. However, if this was at the beginning/middle of the match and a killer saw the survivor self-unhook, they would look at each other, accept the moment, and the killer would let them be and find someone else. If that survivor ran into the killer again, it was also common knowledge that it was fair game on whether or not the killer would leave them be or resume a normal chase with them, and the survivor had to adapt accordingly.

I hope this clears up any misconceptions you had on self-unhooking being an automatic "throw" for the killer!

hi - 3k is a lot

i don't know a lot of words but i think 4% is luck that shouldn't be distorted or denied. remember me standing on the battlefield and reconsider…