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i hope you're happy
Bring in new players is great for DBD. Between animatronic and the ghoul im over DBD. Been on this game since 2016, playing a survivor is so brutal and playing a killer is so easy. The balance is lacking any type of even trades. Every killer uses perks to see auras and every survivor uses a perk to run faster to create distance. The game mechanics are backwards for the type of game it came from to now. I hope this game becomes a relic to bring the team back to the core game it was and build off that instead of adding broken killers and OP perks. Im over being stabbed through a dropped pallet and being blinded continuously from several angles and flashbangs not to mention head on. This game has gone from a casual game to a psychotic butchering with 5% escape rate. If i wanted to die every match i would play a battle royale.
BHVR i can't say i blame you for selling out the game to monetize items and attract fans that would never play this game otherwise. I also cant forgive.
Whens the next broken killer coming out, after you release the next mid survivor?
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Mad cuz bad
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You seem to be complaining that playing survivor is too difficult while also complaining that while playing killer you constantly are being blinded or stunned, hinting that killer is too difficult? I don't understand your point.
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exactly, you understand
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The point is the game has no even mechanics. You get total wrecked from both sides or you total wreck on both sides.
Do you understand that? Do you believe every complaint is to critical to mention or does your opinion on my complaint outweigh my opinion?
"The balance is lacking any type of even trades. Every killer uses perks to see auras and every survivor uses a perk to run faster to create distance. The game mechanics are backwards for the type of game it came from to now."
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Feel like posts like this would be a good use of the new stats function. Everyone someone insists that they're not bad and they play both sides... we can just ask for a screenshot of their games played stat.
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This is an appeal based on authority. I dont need to prove my worth for you to understand the facts laid out in front of you. If thats the case the no one should discuss anything.
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i hope you're happy
i hope you're happy now
i hope you're happy how you've hurt your cause foreverrr
I HOPE YOU THINK YOU'RE CLEVEERRR
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It would just be to call out those who claim playing so and so is so easy and the OTHER side needs to be nerfed... Those ppl tend to claim they do extremely well when they play it and therefore are a good judge of it being OP. I'm not trying to flex my hours played or anything, merely check if a person claiming Doctor is OP and deserves nerfs has ever played AS Doctor for example and has a high winrate with him.
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You don't need to play as someone to see they are OP.
I'm kind of with OP, I don't like how they've presented the arguement, but they are correct.
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So your opinion is if i havent played the killer or played survivor for the amount of time you deem appropriate i should stay quiet and sit in a corner? When did discussions become a credential inspection, i thought Germany was defeated or would you still like to see my papers?
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I'm saying if you're having a hard time beating survivors, you should play as survivor to see the counterplay and vice versa. Easiest way to learn how to counter something is trying it out yourself. A surprising amount of ppl make mistakes in this game simply because they dont know what the other side can and can't do. I've yanked alot of ppl out of lockers as Legion because they didn't know about killer instinct.
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"Been on this game since 2016, playing a survivor is so brutal and playing a killer is so easy."
Did you read the post? Just becuase i pointed out the multiple impacts the survivors can do to the killer doesnt mean im a bad killer, the contrary a 4k is possible in every match. 2 easy
Im pointing to the issue of the IMBALANCE.
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...and here I thought we weren't allowed to disagree about anything…at least out loud.
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Killer is easy? Let's see those Killer stats you got. Please.
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So... you're saying you play killer and survivor, you do really good on killer but constant losses as survivor. You dont see why a screenshot might be a good indicator?
If I was trying to be honest with people and claim Ghostface is overpowered and needs nerfs or something, I could SAY I 4k with him all the time, or I could show it.
This would do well to show an objective person pointing out that something is over performing rather than just someone salty over being beat by a Ghostface.
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Generally, kill rate is indicative of tunneling clueless survivors successfully.
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Again, is this 1940 Germany? I suppose you're the expert, maybe a team recruiter, or a statistician?
I've been playing the game so long when i play killer I terrorize and let the scraps out of the match. I argue that stats are padded by characteristics such as that.
Did you come to discuss the topic or ego trip?
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So if i want to discuss abortions i have to have an abortion? Or maybe if i want to discuss AI i have to have an AI start up? Your coming from a place of superiority when you believe i have to be an expert to point out pros or cons. I don't need your validation hold a discussion.
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It's also not the only stat being tracked.
If I was to demand Cenobite nerfs because he's super easy to 4k on, and my stats showed THIS... would you take me seriously? 1 match playing as him clearly makes me a balancing expert, lol.
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You are throwing a lot of shade and complaining but don't want to back it up with official stats and then you want to be bitter… I am being respectful and genuinely curious. Ghoul is busted yes. We all know this. Springtrap isn't busted.
I just hopped on and got 2 back to back escapes. If he was busted we'd be getting 4ked non stop.
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Your talking out the side of your neck, im confused. Do i need to be an expert to have an opinion? No i need to have individual thoughts unique to my perspective. You shouldnt need to see my stats to discuss the imbalance of the game. Almost everyone who has commented has not discussed that, all anyone wants is to see my stats.
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What is this discussion board, you're saying im complaining and most of the comments are complaining about me complaining.
Im complainging about the game and you are complaining about me, is BHVR your BF?
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I am outraged and will now race for the door in a blustery huff while muttering in a profanity laden tirade.
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Lets just all complain about the people complaining for the complainers to complain about the complaint.
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whos mad?
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You dont need to be an EXPERT, but your opinions should be informed if you want to be taken seriously. I think I've provided 2 pretty good examples of what I meant. 43 games as Ghostface doesn't make me an EXPERT, but definitely allowed my MMR to settle and if I claimed he was too easy to win as... the numbers would back that up. If I made the same claim with Cenobite with my 1 match on record on the other hand...
And of course if I claimed something is too easy and should be nerfed while I myself have losing stats using it, it really doesn't show a good picture, lol.
I suck at Unknown and haven't put in any time into him to get use to his power. If I claimed he was easy to 4k with and should be nerfed... my own stats would show I was talking out my ass.
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you're validation is of no concern to me
i would assume whoville is happy you are busy on the dbd threads
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If you really want statistical validation to back up the claim that Killer is easy, fine. If I must meet your exacting demands in order to be included in this discussion, I will meet them
Keep in mind, I played from early 2018. This is probably about HALF of my total stats. Now that we've apparently established that I have the right to speak on a DISCUSSION forum, let's continue.
Killer is easier now than it should be. Survivor seems to be a grueling experience, where much of your enjoyment is beholden to the Killer feeling nice. Relying on other players' inherent goodness is never good game design.
I cannot blame people for being frustrated. AFK Crow changes, while well-intentioned, were implemented disastrously. Go Next Prevention is penalizing normal players who are getting tunneled out, and you had better BELIEVE that some Killers will start doing that on purpose.
BHVR continues to put out half-baked products year after year, and since there is absolutely zero competition, they never feel any real threat to continuing to push out unfinished and lackluster products.
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Lord have mercy, his papers are valid! His input shall now be considered by the thread overseers.
You are an absolute monster of a killer my friend.
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There are better ones out there, and I am retired, I'm afraid.
Regardless, I believe I have enough experience with the role to make a judgment call on this.
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This whole thread was merely to discuss the inequalities in the gameplay on both sides. You mentioned the game being dependent on a nice killer is a spot on! I survivor main, when i play killer it's so easy i have a habit of just torturing and then allowing them to escape, rather it be all of them or the last one. My survivor heart just wants them to have a break.
I never expect to escape every match. The game is fun and thats why i had continued to play, although it is defeating on how hard it is to actually win a match as a survivor.
No matter what messed up perks a survivor has or the whole team together its more than likely still a 4k for most moderately skillful killers. Its a game that takes little effort to win on one side and extreme teamwork and basic communication for another.
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I believe the post will go quiet now that their demands have been met.
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It is also late, they may have gone to bed.
I think the Killer experience depends entirely on how nice you feel. If you tunnel, many games will be easy for you, and a few will be very difficult. If you do not, some will be easy, some difficult and very very few impossible.
So I do not think it is entirely accurate to say that Killer takes little effort. Certainly, Trapper will have to put in a LOT more effort than Nurse or Blight or Kaneki.
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For sure, the devs tend to have to follow up every update with bug fixes and the like. Haven't played a whole lot of survivor today to see any issue with the crows myself, but if its as finicky as people have been saying, then I would expect tweeks. My brother was already ranting about the new sound issue to me before I was seeing it here on the forums. Considering how crippling of a bug that can be and how often Springtrap is likely to be played... a break from DBD might be a good idea.
Wasn't really talking about the player stats for bug discussion and such, rather in reply to when ppl start going off about how the other side is OP and needs nerfs. Especially from a brand new account made today. Playing both sides offers alot of insight and now we have a nifty way of filtering ppl who play both sides and people who just cry for nerfs for the OTHER side because they just lost a match.
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Agreed
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Which sounds nice, but it is a way to silence new players and discredit their experiences.
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If you're a new player and you're losing over and over... I would hope you'd be coming on here to ask for advice on getting better BEFORE insisting the other side is OP and unfair and needs to be nerfed.
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Not new, not a veteran but i have opinions.
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That's kind of out the window, at this point.
DBD hit critical mass about four years ago, and there is FAR too much information for the average person to be expected to learn.
Even I would have trouble, and I have a weird brain that lets me absorb information extremely quickly.
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I couldnt imagine trying to understand the full effect of all killers, survivors, perks, add ons and sacrafices. I know what i know and i try to stay updated, to an extent.
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I spawned in Coldwind, felt the breeze
And instantly dropped to my knees.
A crow flew by; I didn't move.
Stealth mode on. I’m in the groove!My team was loud, like killer bait.
They ran, they looped, they met their fate.
I watched from within a hedge,
A natural gamer on the edge.Jokes aside, being a survivor is difficult early on because you don't really know the amount of tools and power that survivors have. Once you get some more experience, survivor play becomes a LOT stronger. However, that is the fatal flaw of DBD - it's rough for new players. I feel that "new player MMR" should come with survivor number buffs that fade off as they climb MMR and are completely eliminated once they are in standard MMR.
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the "show stats or shut up" (be it that direct or more on the indirect side) has always somewhat confused me.
So, let's say someone isn't very good at the game, be that because they are new or just want to chill and don't care much about getting better or whatever other reason. So what? Is it alright for them to have a terrible match experience?
Shouldn't the goal be that the game has a minimum requirement in terms of balance at all skill levels so that it's enjoyable at all skill levels? — Yes, determining at what skill level someone who doesn't have a good time at all is can help identify which skill levels should be looked at to see how the game can be balanced at those levels but that is somehow never where this goes. It somehow always goes straight to "git gut". (Serious side question: How do you even "git gut" facing a specific killer when you only see them 1-3 times per 100 matches? General map knowledge and stuff gets you only so far.)
Regardless of escape/kill rate; all I can say is that playing survivor is not fun, feels unrewarding and more like you're the mole in a game of whack a mole (and I only ever put up with it these days cause it's the only game everyone in the gaming-friend-group has in common). Haven't played killer in a good while but what I recall it was more and more common to land on the extremes; stomp or be stomped. Also not particularly enjoyable.
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Definitely agree there, lol. This game is way too much for newbies to be expected to remember every perk, power, etc. I would still want ppl to come to the forums to ask for advice if they're having issues before jumping straight to calling everything OP and in need of nerfs. A newbie killer having trouble in chases should be asking for advice BEFORE insisting that all the survivors should be 5% slower or something, lol.
I've seen 2 threads earlier from ppl having trouble playing as Springtrap. One was asking for advice, and got quite abit of it...
The other just complained and insisted he needs buffs.
Sure both of them are their experiences, but only one of these threads is actually being beneficial.
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I have to prove my worth to have an opinion. This post was more atrocious than my game complaints.
Thats all i was trying to say, you say it so eloquently. The killer games are the only rewarding games i have had in a minute.
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In your opinion…..
How is one not okay and the other is?
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If your trying to figure out how to counter certain killers, I'd recommend playing AS those killers. Let's you figure out exactly what they see and hear so you can use that to your advantage AGAINST them. There's plenty of things that might not be obvious facing AGAINST a specific killer that becomes apparent when you try it yourself.
Also... if your picking up a killer for the first time... try custom matches against bots. It's not a pure 1 to 1 substitution for playing against people, but it is a nice way to sort of get a feel for a character.
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Both are frustrated players sure... but only one of them came on here to talk to fellow players and hopefully get useful advice to improve. The other just came here to scream into the void.
The first one is posing their message to other ppl to have a discussion. The other might as well just be graffiti on the wall. They said a rant to nobody and walked off.
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In my opinion your feelings are the issue, not the posts. To each their own.
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I actually don't think there is anything wrong with having the DBD knowledge iceberg. I will admit that I am a dork with a lot of spare time, so I won't claim "I did it, so other people can"... however the point I want to make is, DBD isn't as impenetrable as people think... with the notable exception of playing survivor only
As someone who started playing a little over 2 years ago (it was my second DBD birthday at the end of May), my main experience from being a new player was that DBD is a very unique game... none of your traditional gaming skills apply to it... and that already does a great job humbling players but also striking their interest.
As a newbie I could very quickly see there was a lot to know in this game and it was not a casual romp... that new player experience is actually quite intimidating (even as killer), and with the mystery of unknown killers, that makes them pretty scary, which was great as a horror experience, which I still maintain is actually quite good for new players below maybe 400 hrs... so the game is not unfun for new players, your enjoyment is different to that of veterans. The aesthetic design of DBD as a horror game is quite engaging; simple mechanics like the terror radius is actually quite nerve wracking for newbies (still shudder every time I'm the sole survivor and trying to open gate). One of my favourite things with new players is seeing them go up against a Billy for the first time. 😅
Anyway, all this is to say, new players I don't believe are ignorant of the DBD iceberg at all and are thus running around like lost lambs... players quickly get a sense of how much there is to know in DBD, and anyone with any humility will not expect to be dominating this game at the start, and will take the time to read and experiment... the same way you would for a Soulsborne game.
Where I think the only real new player issue is, is a lot of players join DBD only to want to play with their friends, which means they play Survivor... and exclusively Survivor... and this game is much harder to learn purely from the survivor perspective, especially when pairing up with their veteran friends and thus boosting their MMR, as well as going against the bloodpoint bonus, which throws match pairings out even further...
Playing killer gives you much better understanding of killer mechanics, the killer powers, what the killer is trying to do, and why... and importantly you get to watch what other survivors do to get the better of you as killer... you see so much more of the game simply because as the killer you're the centre of it, and you're there for all of it…
This issue is then compounded by when survivor exclusive players do finally try killer, they go up against very new/inexperienced players, and because they have a solid base understanding of DBD at this point, they rofl stomp for quite a while, and conclude Killer is easy, without ever reaching levels where they really see the natural limitations of lower tier killers... thus all killers must therefore be OP... but ofc, anyone with real time on killer knows how helpless you can feel as a lower tier killer to play vs. a really good survivor team... and this is why high level survivors see mostly the same killers... at a certain level of survivors skill, there are simple too few mistakes a veteran killer can make on the lower tiers before they get run over.
All this is I genuinely believe that DBD is nowhere near as punishing to learn as people think it is... but I would caveat that with, you must play killer... and play it quite a lot... at least 25% of your time as a guesstimate... which if you think about is quite sensible to do so... this is an asym... if you want to really learn it, you absolutely should be playing both sides.
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"get useful advice on how to improve" — I think I said it in my post that you quoted: some people are alright with being bad - and bad players, too, should have enjoyable matches (regardless of why they are bad) and if they complain about matches being not enjoyable that is perfectly alright. If they complain that to them the balance seems off, that is also perfectly alright.
Not every opinion needs a discussion. - Granted, maybe the feedback category would have been better suited for OPs thread - but if it's so clearly a rant then everybody recognising it as such should also recognise that it's not about an objective discussion; because that's not what rants are about.
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