What happened to Dead By Daylight?????

Killer speed has not increased. The crows spawning is the only thing you listed that changed.

Problem is if you make a classic version, you're going to butcher queues.

Survivors will go back to the classic where the game was better for them.

And killers will stay here where the game is better for them.

I don't see how they could reliably do that, or maintain it because quite frankly I think people take current dbd for granted and have completely forgotten just how abysmal old dbd was.

Imagine thinking BHVR makes more money on 1 Killer per 4 Survivors.

It reads like mecca just took a Killer complaint (IE: BHVR makes more money on Survivors, because there's 4 of them per match to 1 Killer) and felt like turning it around without doing anything more than switching the roles.

This game has been Survivor-sided for years. Every complaint Survivors had has been addressed with baked-in mechanics and b asekit upgrades to avoid interrupting their 16 META perks on 4-man SWF loadouts.
And yet this brain trust thinks Survivors are being treated as NPCs. 😂

Its kind of a weird discussion to me because what exactly is classic Dbd? We're talking about a decades worth of changes so where exactly does the classic dbd fall onto? Does it fall into an version from eight or nine years ago? Maybe seven? If people got a classic mode back, it would be nostalgic for a few games and then the extremely glaring issues and lack QOL changes we're use too would bleed through like an open vein.

People like to remember the good but forget the extremely scummy bad that a lot of people hated more than anything.

I am so sorry but that is a straight up story telling

Projecting.

I don't even know where to begin but what I am referring to are advantages to an unprecedented level.

Lying.

BHVR scams survivors with overpriced bright colored cosmetics so killers can see them easier while selling overpowered abilities on playable killer characters.

Rofl. And Survivors are sweet babies who can't decide for themselves what cosmetics to buy or use?

So you are right they are indeed making money on survivors but it is because they know no better.

More 'Survivors are pure, innocent people abused by mean, entitled Killers!' tripe. 🤢🤮

There is not a single purchase able item for survivors that helps them win.

That would be called 'Pay to win', and Survivors would all use any cosmetic that 'helps them win'.

But thanks for ousting yourself as a Survivor Main who thinks Survivors deserve P2W cosmetics.

Basekit features:? You mean half baked? Killers still tunnel easily through endurance. Anti camp translates to "ok, I'll stand a few more meters away from the hook".

Give Survivor Mains an inch, and they want 10 miles.

They are handheld and gifted basekit features left, right & center, and demand more.

It is literally so killer sided it really is like a PvE game.

No, it's not. But Survivors have been screeching this line for nearly a decade. Though every buff and basekit reward they have been gifted.

Entitlement.

Killer feels like playing on baby mode and survivor is like any other game on the hardest difficulty but the problem is no ability to change the settings. You are stuck in misery and here we are punishing people for expressing it or experiencing it.

Tell another funny joke.

Oh please. I may have just joined the forums, but I've peeked in off and on for years.

You've been insisting that the Survivors are weaker in spite of every Survivor buff for years.
Survivors have had everything they want handed to them basekit so they can still play META, and they still want more, more, and more.

I'd say Survivors want NPC Killers, but what they really want is NPC Killers with human players tied down to play them, so they can taunt a human while still getting the EZ wins they demand with every update.

Case in point:
People wanted a QoL feature (I cannot remember which one off the top of my head). The devs threw in gen-kicking limitations at the same time, because Survivors need to be coddled.

Survivors wanted anti-tunneling. Were given basekit BT. Whine it's not enough.

Survivors wanted anti-camping. Were given a literal anti-camp timer. Whine it's not enough.

Killers wanted a way to regress exit gates for over 5 years. What does BHVR do? Make it a perk, which ruins METAs. Because Killers don't deserve nice things.

Survivors have been gift-wrapped multiple ways to counter Killer tactics they hate, all without messing up META perk loadouts.
And yet you really think the game has not been Survivor-sided for years?
You either have 0 clue, or you're outright lying.

A SWF 4-man with 16 META perks will wipe the floor with ANY Killer by any player, regardless of perks, except the top 0.5% players like Otzdarva.
But Survivors will wave their hands and say 'That does not count!' Because they want more basekit BS. More Killer hand-tying, and more easier wins.

True with the last point strong 4man can destroy killers like nothing thats why in turnament there are rules because if survs could bring any perks and items even strongest nurses and blights would feel the sweat thats fact. Game still had few broken things that werent bugs on survivor side few years back like boons (coh), or like for the people+buckle up that thing could give survivor escape and was something simular like old instaheals, what was strongest thing killers got first version of ghoul, now the game is quite balanced but there is still huge gap in power range for killers like nurse,blight vs trapper,ghostface or solo q and 4 man swf.

Thats actually a good point, like yeah true I got the game the way I wanted but you don't which sucks. However if you are really interested I saw somewhere on youtube a dude that could play previous versions, While I do not recall his channel the video was called: I played all versions of skullmerchant. Maybe you can ask the people who keep those classic server how the do so and if they let you play with them.

So true, they should add new accesibility for survivors to give them a fair playing field. I have an idea, what about a visual heatbeat, it also lets you see lullabys and it has an indicator to see the intensity of the heatbeat. Good idea since the devs have not implemented a thing for survivors since the og game. Better yet lets do so when a survivor is rescued from the hook they get a brief protection so they can get to a loop, surely the devs would never introduce this to this killer sided game.

The devs have absolutelly nerfed survivor, but to say only killers get new features is just plain wrong.

Exactly. I feel like there was never any effort to preserve things from the old DBD, and the players who liked the way the game used to be end up with nothing. I don't even have words to describe how much I would love a classic mode with OG Freddy available.

As for the rest, thank you for the suggestion, my friend, I appreciate it, but I'm already very familiar with it. Long story short, the whole thing is very convoluted and not practical at all. It would certainly be better if BHVR just straight up gave us access to old content, even if through modifiers.

Honestly, my friend, I just don't understand what is BHVR's stance on Old DBD content or what they really think of it.

The signals are mixed, way too much. When they made changes to Hillbilly, Onryo and when they announced the planned changes to Skull Merchant, they expressed concern, or at least mentioned, of "alienating the players who enjoyed previous versions of said killers". But, somehow, this in particular doesn't apply to Freddy or the movement for Old Freddy that had been going on for years?!?

Then, I think it was last year we had a Reddit Q&A where a user asked the devs if they ever planned to allow players to change the lobby background to a previous version. This question was selected to be answered, but instead of an answer the official reply was just a question about that user's favorite lobby.

And, during an interview, it was asked if they planned to ever release a "classic" modifier. The official answer was that is is something that was mentioned multiple times, but then it was said that Lights Out had the feeling of a "classic" mode.

I just find it very difficult to understand if BHVR is or isn't willing to work with old DBD content. I think they can and should add it back, in whatever way is possible, but it is impossible to determine if it will ever happen.

Honestly? It might be a retrofitting issue. The game has upgraded… multiple(?) engines since its launch, and the scope of almost all of its systems have been tremendously expanded. Its on its third console generation since launch, something that few games can really say. In live service games especially, it can sometimes be difficult to even get things to "fit back how they used to" so to speak, each time a major system update happens its like opening a vacuum sealed package. You're rarely going to be able to get things to fit back in their old shell, and when you can it tends to take a lot of effort. I think that many of the things that have been significantly altered in the past likely get harder to recreate effectively with each major change to the game.

Then you have to decide between whether you want a snapshot or a modernization. A snapshot would be going back, warts and all, to be as accurate to the time as possible. Alternatively, you could modernize it and keep any (near)universally approved improvements that have happened since and retrofit them into an emulation of how the game was at that time. Unfortunately either way, people will be unhappy with whichever is chosen. Some want a "fixed" version of what things used to be, while others will fight over said "fixes". I feel like if demand was high enough they could make it work, but I think there's just too little financial or growth incentives to greenlight throwback ideas.

I love those types of systems, and its honestly one of the things I miss the most about the days before DLC. I can go back and play a game like Super Mario World the exact way I played it in the past, even on the original hardware, and have it be exactly the same as it was when I first played it… but once DLC and patches entered the mix, now you are only allowed to play whatever snapshots (if any) are continuously preserved.

To think the game back then was more balanced then it is today, is just saying you prefer survivor being broken but in a round about way. I'm sorry but it is.

Massive maps filled to the brim with strong tiles (basically none of the weaker tiles that exist now, existed back then so it was all strong tiles), medkits that would self heal in 8 seconds and get 3 different uses out of it before expiring, 5 second DS, old dead hard, etc etc etc.

I've played plenty of survivor, and I've been playing almost exclusively survivor right now because of the killer queue being too long until late at night. You know what I had most my issues with? It wasn't tunneling or camping. It was my survivor teammates having the looping ability of a brick wall. Countless times I'll see one person being chased, and I'm the only one on a gen (the other 2 aren't even doing totems at the very least). Countless times I'll see survivors who can't even make a chase last at the very least 30 seconds. It's abysmal. I've had a tunneler / camper maybe 3 games out of 30.

Am I saying I'm God's greatest gift to gaming on the sticks? No. I'm not, quite frankly I'm not that great at survivor because I'm mostly a killer player, but even I can make a chase last for longer than 15 seconds, it's abysmal.

Now will I say that there are issues in certain areas? Absolutely, 100%. There is always room to improve, but it goes for both sides. But I am tired with this idea that the game is just unplayable for survivor or that the game is completely killer sided now.

People will say "oh we're in a tunneler meta"… killer has been in a "tunneler" meta for literal years now. The only time it wasn't, was during 3 gen. This isn't some recent thing and it won't ever change because quite frankly, they haven't added any real reason to multihook. You guys act like survivors have only gotten nerfs and killers have only gotten buffs, meanwhile 99% of the gen regression perks are completely useless. They do nothing, they've been essentially all butchered. And yet, gens aren't any slower to complete.

The one sided "us vs them" garbage is tiring especially when the only things people suggest are things that only benefit their side and make the other side feel worse.

I said it wasn't entirely balanced early on and I know this from watching older youtube gameplay videos. Then, when I started, it was more balanced. Not perfect, but better than what it is now.

I'm on a forum for discussion. Not arguments or being belittled by someone who thinks they are better than everyone else.. Like what you said to the OP. So yes, you're not worth arguing with. I don't do arguments with people who think they are better than others and clearly belittling them.