What do YOU think BHVR is going to do to address tunneling?

I feel like the Hook system should be reworked. It just creates opportunities to tunnel and camp by making killer patrol 1 spot. I've made concept but it went unnoticed :< (i know it is far from perfect, needs a lot of polishing)

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/448913/hook-system-rework-removal-of-tunneling-and-camping#latest

After an unhook, the survivor goes invisible, has no collision, runs faster, and leaves no scratch marks, pools of blood, or grunts of pain for a set amount of time after which basekit BT then applies.

But who really knows with BHVR, Go Next Prevention and Anti Camp don't really give me hope it'll be that good or well implemented tbh.

I hope for delaying the unhook notification and hud by 10 seconds for the killer and that the unhooker and unhooked get scratch marks, pools of blood and grunts of pain suppressed for 20 seconds, so you can actually get away from the hook to hide somewhere or they could increase the healing speed by 100% for a short time after the unhook.

I have no idea how they'll actually do it.

How I hope they'll do it? Just make it impossible to die before the fifth or sixth hook of the game. They can be chased and downed, but if you put them on the hook, they just go back into struggle phase with an unlimited timer (and don't contribute to the hook count.) To keep players from getting griefed, let them unhook themselves after 30-60 seconds or something.

Currently, if you die on third hook… yeah you were tunneled. If you die on fourth hook, you can still probably call that tunneling. An argument can be made for fifth hook with ping-pong tunneling, though I personally disagree. But if you get killed on sixth hook, you weren't tunneled. You've had a chance to do some gens and get some heals in. If you die on sixth hook, that means that each survivor was hooked once, or three survivors were hooked, with two of them hooked twice. That's not tunneling, even if you were chased off of hook.

I think that giving survivors invulnerability or basekit DS or whatever is just going to create more problems than it solves. My way makes sure that all survivors actually get a chance to play the game without disrupting the mid- or end-game too much.

This is a suggestion i have had for a while. Make the survivors share the 1st hook state, then you get your own 2nd and 3rd hook state.

This means that if you have 4 survivors and you hook the same 1 3 times, you just burned through 3 of the teams shared hook states. And the earliest you can kill a survivor is on the 6th hook.

This means that if you want to tunnel someone out, you need to hit them at least 7 times. And just walking in a straight line and hooking a survivor, is going to take like 40 seconds. So 40 seconds * 6 times = 240 seconds, plenty of time for 2 survivors to finish 5 gens and open the gates.

It also weakens stuff like grim and pain resonance because you aren't going to want to hook the same guy 6 times and only get the effect once early, forcing you to spread your pressure.

This also helps with camping, because you would need to burn through 6 hook states before you can kill a survivor on hook.

It also isn't making survivors share ALL the hook states. So if you are good, you don't feel bad for instantly getting hooked and dying because your team burned through all the hook states before your first chase. You are always given at least 2 chances.

Of course as part of this, they need to address other things on the killer side to make sure that things are more balanced around having 4 survivors in the game for 6 hooks, such as basekit corrupt, maybe basekit corrupt on totems for a short time. Basekit better gen defense etc.

I think the best thing would be making not tunneling an advantage for killer. Like each time you hook a different survivor than the last one you hooked you gen like 10 seconds of -50% gen speed slowdown or a gen explodess for 10% progress. Something that makes it so not tunneling gives bigger rewards over the course of the game than trying to get to a 3v1 as fast as possible.

i have no idea and whatever they implement killers will be worse off

well it doesnt need addressing, its a valid strategy used by killers

It's not exactly unusual for them to make big claims they don't follow through on either. Realistically too, the only way you can really "fix" tunneling is to limit its value solely as a catchup mechanic which, if I'm being totally honest, will either end with them severely kneecapping it on accident (which I don't find to be a likely course of action to begin with) or another bait and switch like the anti-3 gen or anti-camp→anti-face camp. The former being scrapped and the latter being weak.

Honestly, it's very hard to tell, especially considering how the Anti-go-next and the AFK crow system went (one got killswitched in a matter of days because it was warning/banning people for getting tunneled, the other is overkill and hated by most of the playerbase as it further encourages slugging for the 4k and interferes with totem hunts among many things).

It could be something as harmless and simple as a small upgrade to the basekit BT plus loss of collision.

or

It could be something incredibly overkill like basekit DS, Babysitter, Iron Will and Lucky Break all-in-one after each unhook.

I honestly have difficulty guessing. My best guess (and hope) is collision loss and an upgrade to the basekit BT. As annoying as tunneling is, it's difficult to reduce it without inadvertently making the anti-tunnel system a potential thing to weaponize.

They'll do a bandaid fix like give basekit DS or increase haste/endurance duration (this'll solve nothing btw) instead of incentivising killers to go for hooks

some times a killer needs to tunnel to win, especially if it a m1. Survivors already have a thousand second chance perks and enough pallets to build a new map with. How much more babying do they need?

Lets just give the killers a pool noodle to attack eith while were at it...