Can you please stop pretending that forcing people to play makes any sense?

Yup exactly, one of best improvements they've ever done imo. I've actually played significantly more survivor than killer because its not totally miserable now people are actually made to play the game. My escape rate has jumped alot, its been fun. It's also made my killer games a bit harder too because people are actually trying more.

Anyone "negatively" affected by this change is someone who shouldn't be playing the game and the type of player we dont want to play with.

The changes were made necessary by people going next every time they saw anything they didn't like.

Skull Merchant literally got gutted because of people inflating her kill rates by offing themselves on hook. After that there was no way survivors could be allowed to keep doing that.

Most importainly, it's giving accurate data to BHVR and we might actualy see some more killer sided balance changes bieng implimented, because as of now, it's been feeling a little survivor sided. Like if anything, it's prooved that now that not as many survivors aren't going next at the slightest of inconviance, or that survivors aren't extreme hiding to troll, that gens fly by extremely fast because there is so little for survivors to actually do beyond their main objective.

Which hopefully, this means repair speeds will be looked at next, if not giving killers some upping of regression per kick or some form of basekit corrupt intervention or a rebuffing of certain perks. Also, healing needs to be looked at again, so perhaps the nerf to Sloppy can finally be reverted or at the very least adjusted acordingly.

And before anyone comes at me for being a "killer main," I play both sides with a 70%-20% Killer to Survivor ratio.

It wouldn't have to occur on first hook. If they got unhooked they would just run back into the killer or wait under the hook to get hooked again.

While I understand your point, as a lot of people started pointing out with this patch, I feel like, giving the match a second chance even when you have a dead teammate at 4 gens, has somehow kinda showed its not entirely lost, at least not everytime. I have been in that situation most of my matches the last few days and keeping the match going, trying to finish the next gens is still possible if the team decides to be on the same page. A lot of times I ended up loosing in these scenarios but reaching endgame or at 1 gen, still loosing, but at least psycological doesnt feel like a "lost match", at leas I give it a shot and try to have a few fun chases, or some macro gameplay to try to make it work.

Being that said, I totally agree that is really demotivating being in that scenario, and its really easy to loose all interest in continue playing, so I cant say i havent been in that situation and tried to force the killer to kill me to just go next. Now everytime i get hooked i just alt+tab and do something else til i hear someones unhook me.

This patch has shown how unfun most of survs scenarios are, like doing gens, you sit there, you do nothing but hit space once in a while, which is the main objective of survivors, and now you get hooked and you sit there without being able of doing everything, like a tree, for the 70 secs(i think?) of each hook state, its really boring man. I dont know the solution to this, maybe there isnt one, but at least before if you were in the scenario of not being rescued, you could try to 4% and scape in some cases.

Beint that said 2.0, I still think the game needs something to motivate survivors to keep playing the game after loosing someone at 4,5 gens, like an extra % speed for repairing gens, like "propnight" did in his gameplay, you could even win a game in a 1v1 scenario and that was really fun. And on the killer side im not sure, maybe a % extra basekit speed for each 1st hook on someone, to also demotivate tunelling. I dont know, just thinking out loud. The point is, even when its not impossible to scape on a 3v1 at 5 gens, its almost impossible, I understand the frustration of a survivor that doesnt want to keep playing in that scenario, why should he/she waste 5-10 more min on something you already know the outcome?

Happy monday

Sounds like a filthy killer main to me...jk, lol

Dbd isn't like Call of Duty where you're shoved into a game mid match to fill in for the player that left. If someone leaves, you're stuck with a bot that will always be a detriment. You might as well not have a fourth player which is how most people feel when saddled with a bot, and the game is essentially over already. Does it always mean immediate loss? No. Is the bot useful and sometimes better than the player you had? Definitely. Yet, most average players will feel like the game is over. Its not a good feeling.

I personally think the Devs should take notes from a game like Overwatch who allows someone who prematurely leaves the game to join right back. Its still the same character they came in with and the same perks/items.

if you don't enjoy playing the game then don't play the game .

A game can't be deemed hopeless on if you're first on hook. We're talking about the selfish type of players who get bent the first moment things don't go their way.

Lol fair. FR though, it's just easier to practice killer in customs since there's no killer bots to practise survivor against (unless you count the Tutorial Trapper, but his AI leaves a lot to be desired and can only teach you so much.) Which makes it hard to test out survivor builds, unless I'm in a KWF custom.