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This forced to play is for the birds.
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What im hearing is your teammates went full blown seal team 7 to do everything they could do to ensuring that first guy died...including the 1st survivor who raced to the middle of the map to meet up with the killer ASAP. I can only imagine he used OoO and no mither in an attempt to save the killer time.
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No, the one looping around shack was for sure a troll, but the 4th thought they were removing ruin. I'd say that two of them were completely incompetent and that one Ace, that was looping around shack, was just a troll. Though again, why should I be forced to sit on hook for the entire two hook stages and what, if I didn't struggle on the 2nd phase to stay in an awful match, I'd then be penalized for that? Who the ######### at BHVR thought that was an award winning idea.
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you must live in another universe about 50% at best if not more of the matches are you playing with at best 1 more competent survivor while the rest make some stupid mistake that costs you the game or god forbid you get 3 idiots at once. At that point might as well not play the game anymore. Sadly watching someone make stupid decisions does make the blood of anyone boil because he ######### you over as well. Kinda like screaming come get me while you are hiding.
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At no point would it be healthy for the game to allow ppl to ditch about 50% of their matches.
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As a killer i find it so odd. Last game i played i had 2 survivors in 2nd stage, 1 dead, and hooked the last one for the first time, and then we all had to sit there and wait until that last survivor reached second stage...
As a survivor I miss having the chance to escape from hook and having a second chance to survive... Sometimes that 4% changed the game completely
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As pretty much anybody with experience with DBD (something BHVR game designers do not seem to have) expected, the recent unhook changes are doing more harm to the honest normal player than to the hot-tempered crybabies giving up on first hook. The fact that this also all can be reverted back by simply bringing one offering is also a very… interesting decision, to say the least.
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Yup.
Solo survivor is a game of hopes
Hope the killer is extremely bad in order for a match to last any duration.
Hope your teammates arent bad.
Need a ping system/communication tool, lobby loadout….
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This kind of response makes me laugh because whenever camping and tunnelling being a game ruining playstyle for people that will have driven thousands away from the game over the last 9 years is brought up - the response is very often "It isn't my responsibility for you to have fun" but now as a survivor, we all have to make sure that the killer has fun, no matter what the circumstances are.
Even if the killer has a ping of 150+ We have to stay in that game, knowing how it will end as killers are rewarded for lagging
Even if the killer is tunnelling someone out at 5 gens we have to sit there and watch it play out and let them do the same to each person because as long as the killer is having fun, then the game can continue.
Even if the killer decides to slug 3 players and then just follow the 4th player around - we all have to lie there on the floor because the killer is enjoying their game
It is a game played in leisure time, why are people being forced to stay in a game that is unfun and unwinnable so that the killer can have fun at the cost of everyone else's????
Does the killer have a go next punishment? If a killer gives up and stands in a corner waiting for the gens to get done are they punished for that? Should we start punishing killers who open the exit gates? They are trying to end the game quicker, maybe they should be timed out for 30mins if they do that
Or do we only punish survivors for not wanting to play a game that can't be won?
You also have to consider how people not wanting to play against certain killers is why things got changed like:
- Skull merchant, mass disconnects and no interest in playing against her original form meant they had to implement changes
2. The Ghoul - Mass complaints, disconnects and kill selves on hook - Made changes
Now if they release a killer who is tedious af to play against, we just have to keep playing and no changes will happen as the killer is getting to have fun and play a full game whilst the survivors are miserable - we don't care about those 4 players though, only killers need to be having fun - proven further by the nonsense remote hooking and pallet breaking that remained in the event.
Imagine if they brought in remote gen work or remote unhooking, killers would be apoplectic but survivors just have to get on with it because the killer is having fun and that is ALL that matters in DBD 2025
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This was never about the killer lmao, this was about your teammates and staying in the game for them.
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The only situation I've had so far that made me wish "wow, I wish these new systems didn't exist right now" was where everyone in the lobby had 150 ping and we were all forced to play the match out as if it was going to be a fun exciting time.
Should at least have a 5 man vote to abandon option (non-spammable) at this point.
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Doesn't matter what the situation is. We are all paying customers and shouldn't be TOLD how to play a game. Period. Whatever reason someone leaves a game is their own and nobody else's business. Rage quit aside, there are many reasons people have a leave a match.
It's unconstitutional to be forced to behave a certain way. I hate to be thst guy but its facts. We are paying consumers. Who is anyone to say how we play a game we paid for?
TThis feels like Nintendo shutting off switch 2 consoles for people that mod a game after they bought it. It's yours to do as you wish. So long you don't cheat, scam, or cause the seller to lose money bc you are being devious...
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"unconstitutional"Ah yes, I know that Hancock in particular was a champion for people's right to be able to quit games without penalty.
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i'm completely convinced that the developer has given up on the survivor experience. like the game unfortunately is balanced around having at least 3 competent teammates if you're going up against a competent killer. but the MMR system seems to really enjoy thinking 1 or 2 competent teammates is good enough; but this is why even a complete fool like myself has a 75% kill rate across basically every killer in the game. on average I should not be winning my games but i am and honestly that's nonsense. the game used to be funner as a killer when it was more difficult because now so many games are just free wins, so many games are against just horrible survivors that you can't lose. and yeah, you'll go against good teams from time to time and of course i'll lose badly but i know in my next 3 games i'll just an easy win. it's kind of the same situations on survivor except inverse, 1 good game for every 3 horrible games. they've made the game less fun for both sides i think over the years.
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Haha. Lets make fun of the guy who is for the the rights of the everyone and wants fairness and individual rights for all..
ironic really as our forefathers went through the same thing. 😂
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Nah, you're just virtue signaling for selfish reasons. You're implying its your "God given right" to disconnect with what you said, which is why hyperbole is so good at undermining your own point. Just take responsibility for your own actions.
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Best damn time in America to be fair. We wouldn't be where we are as a country without them. Meme aside, I was recently at the national mall and saw the original documents of the bill of rights and it made me feel some type of way.
You should go if you have the time. It's free. And definitely worth the trip.
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Nah. Clearly you didn't read everything. It's not "rage quitting" im concerned about. It's everything else. Keeping in mind no matter what the issues to the individual are, we ALL PAY money to play.
Who are you to say why I go next?
This is a slippery slope. I get why the devs, and I get what they were thinking when they did this but in the end its messed up to penalty anyone for leaving early. Especially with the increased times and how the timer doesn't start until you try to play another game.
It can be a week later and your hit with a 15 to 30 min penalty for something thst wasn't your fault. And even if it was. Who cares? You paid your fair share like everyone else.
It's not your business why do what I do huh?
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Nah. Clearly you didn't read everything. It's not "rage quitting" im concerned about. It's everything else. Keeping in mind no matter what the issues to the individual are, we ALL PAY money to play.Where did I say anything about rage quitting? Abstaining from games while knowingly having internet issues is another flavor of taking responsibility for your actions.
we ALL PAY money to play.If you pay for a ticket to Disneyland, then go around stealing stuff from the vendors and cursing at people, do you think your admission price allows you to behave that way? Playing out your matches is part of the code of conduct you agree to when you play the game. I'm sorry if you think your exchange of currency makes the rules not apply to you.
Who are you to say why I go next?Where did I?
This is a slippery slope. I get why the devs, and I get what they were thinking when they did this but in the end its messed up to penalty anyone for leaving early. Especially with the increased times and how the timer doesn't start until you try to play another game.Interesting fallacy to pivot to, but penalizing people for disrupting matches by leaving them early is one of the most universal standards for PVP games on a conceptual level. You should really see how far many games take it so you can realize how lenient this game actually is. Thats why this type of rhetoric falls flat.
It can be a week later and your hit with a 15 to 30 min penalty for something thst wasn't your fault. And even if it was. Who cares? You paid your fair share like everyone else.You don't hit 15-30 minutes for a single instance. It takes multiple infractions to get to that point, making it your fault. This is, again, why I go back to taking responsibility for your own actions. If you truly have frequent enough internet problems to regularly get a 15+ minute penalty through no fault of your own, then you are not in a position to be able to play the game until said situation is improved. For every time you get disconnected against your will, you are affecting 4 other players experiences that THEY paid for. This is why, again, most PVP games are much more strict about this.
It's not your business why do what I do huh?I was just poking fun at your hyperbolic misuse of a term.
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Yea, the hook changes IMO are the worst. At least for me. I've had so many matches ALREADY where I'm fresh hooked & its clearly over, ya know the drill. 1 other teammate remaining, maybe 2 - 1-3 gens left, the other 2 are on death hook, etc. And yet I can't do anything but sit on hook and wait. I can't sacrifice myself to give the final person a chance at hatch, I can't do anything but sit there and wait for the timer to run out, and usually by that point, the other teammate has been found, went into chase, and has already gone down.
I'm not a d/cer and I've been commended for still trying to play matches out when others have clearly given up…but man.
This absolutely sucks when you rightfully should be able to sacrifice yourself and the game is clearly over. There should be some conditions met, like if its down to you and another teammate, you should be able to sacrifice on hook.
Also Mandy full out lied about the hook changes. Surprise surprise.
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If you are winning often, then someone else is losing often. I do think that people who try the game briefly, then decide they dont like it and never touch it again, probably help offset and drag down the average kill and escape rates.
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I almost play entirely solo queue and never really have these issues people commonly complain about. I suppose this is a higher MMR issue whereby other survivors know what they are doing, but I can only guess. I usually go out of my play to play altruistic. Is this not the kind of thing you're seeing?
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Wait what?! Dramatic much?! Lmao! Aside from your dumb Disney world reference where I'm stealing from vendors and causing a scene??? Right? You'd know, its your reference.…..
All im literally saying is… there's a thin line here. We can't tell people who buys the game with money how to play for everyone else. Mostly because people have reasons why they disconnect other than the obvious rage.... im an example today… you can't control people. It's not right to dictate how others trest the games they pay for.
Im sorry... I hate to be thst guy. I really do. But my reasons are jo better than yours. I don't care what you say. In the end... we all PAID. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE WANT AFTER THE PRICE TAG.
You Might not like it. I might not like it. But it doesn't matter. We all paid. You quit. I quit..irrelevant. devs should reverse penalties bc we are all paying customers in the end.
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And how many customers wana stay if people quit just because?
Why do you get to ruin other's experience because you paid the same as the others?
Why would we wana play a game with matches people keep ruining?
Why does you paying give the right to do whatever especially when your only buying the rights to used the property?
Simply put, no.
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That's not really a valid way to see it. What about cheaters that bought the game? Should they be allowed to fly around and absolutely ruin everyone else's match experience? According to your logic, yes. Reality? Of course not. Even paying for a game, there are rules to abide by, and guess what, people who just give up on hook/DC are also absolutely ruining everyone else's match experience.
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I think this is maybe the context we needed. You're used to getting extremely subpar survivor teammates, so when you go against halfway decent survivors in your killer games it feels like they're superpowered, because your randoms are trash by comaprison
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O' Canada
Making it like playing DBD is violating the Geneva Convention.
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How about, you went to Disney World and cut in line, refused to put loose items in a locker, and punch Snow White bc she a #########?
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Since you weren't able to digest it, the point of the disney comparison is that you cannot go out into a private business and use your admission cost as an excuse to break the rules you agree to when you purchase your ticket. Disney parks in particular are well known for giving people lifetime bans for breaking park rules, so it felt fitting.
We can't tell people who buys the game with money how to play for everyone elseThat's literally what ToS/EULA are. You're agreeing to certain terms to have access to the product you already purchased. Agree or disagree all you want, but you're sure as hell not going to get anywhere in court with that one. That's unfortunately how pretty much any game is now, especially if they are multiplayer, and especially if they use a live service model.
Im sorry... I hate to be thst guy. I really do. But my reasons are jo better than yours. I don't care what you say.That's not discussion, that's preaching. And its not exactly a noble cause. And its factually incorrect, ironically. You're pretending we have a consumer right that does not exist, because we all signed on the dotted line, and doing so is a requirement to even have access to the product. Companies can and do revoke licenses at their discretion when users refuse to abide by their rules and regulations.
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The nerve of you people. Don't que up then if you don't want to play. If you only have fun when you're winning, and losing means you have to quit the game in raging frustration, you need to grow the ######### up. I seriously wonder how you people cope with real struggles in life.
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Playing more of the event, I'm really feeling the loss of go next. Every trial is a steamroll and there's not much you can do about it. It's a big waste of time, especially with the escape 2 trials goal.
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Perhaps but maybe if Behaviour makes an actually accurate MMR maybe it would work to force people to be in matches otherwise the rational people like me won't bother killing themselves by being matched with stupid teammates. In any case enjoy the system I won't play that though I'd rather have freedom than being forced to stay in a lost match since you can tell pretty quick when you lost.
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See there is a big difference if you lose due to the other side being more skilled and if you start losing because say you got matched with a teammate who is being useless, goes down 10 seconds in a chase and doesn't touch generators at all. The big problem is nobody wants to be losing because someone else gets in their way or is being useless. So the problem is MMR being absolute joke that does not work. I am not playing the game because long ago I found out its bullshit to lose because my teammates do dumb ######### or do nothing.
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Can you please point out where in the EULA it was stated that we are not allowed to leave the match or we get punished severely. I am talking the old eulas pretty sure I think companies have to give refunds if they decide to change their eulas randomly. I mean I would probably take the refund since the game is in such a poor state of unbalanced matching.
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Wow lucky you sadly almost all of my teams have at least one dummy on them and that is enough to get everyone killed and thus I am not playing the game anymore as the odds are stacked from the beginning in favor of the killer. Better to sit back and watch the burning fire in which this game is. Good that you have good games but most people just get dumb teammates that automatically decide that the match is lost unless you get lucky and the killer messes majorly somehow. Pretty much ######### the mmr and ######### whoever thinks its a good idea to make it so unreliable
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The entire point of the system is to discourage ppl from constantly DCing if they want to play DBD or force ppl who constantly DC to not queue up. If you're not going to queue up because you can't handle not being able to DC 50% of your matches... the system is working great. I celebrate not having someone in my lobby who has a 50% chance of sabotaging the match.
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I’ve experienced less problems from my teammates since the anti go next went live. The most unfun aspect of playing Survivor was having my team give up at the most minor of problems, and turning a perfectly winnable match into a premature loss. Hell, it was a problem as Killer too, because facing a kneecapped team is boring.
The anti-go next system isn’t perfect and could use some touch ups, but it’s a million times better than having teammates ruining games.2 -
I am talking the old eulas pretty sure I think companies have to give refunds if they decide to change their eulas randomly.That is absolutely not a thing. Almost any EULA/ToS looked over by a legal team will always include a clause that the document itself is subject to change. The only legal requirement is that it be presented when it does change, which is why sometimes in games they pop up after a major update that necessitates the player to be informed. Nobody reads them because they get in the way of their dopamine hits, but they're still very legally binding. This isn't even getting into the intricacies of digital rights management, but it might surprise you to know you don't actually own almost anything thats been made in the last decade or two. You only own licenses to access the content, which can be revoked for a lot more reasons than you'd think. But thats another topic entirely.
As for BHVRs':
As for finding specific text in there, I'm not going to do your homework for you, and I don't even represent BHVR. If you want to claim that they have no right, dig through it and find your own evidence. Your claim is the one that demands the burden of proof.
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There is zero legality to a tos. Look at Nintendo. They got sued so many times over tos stuff. The legal stuff comes from profits from others copyright stuff. Not generally tos
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There is zero legality to a tos.Then stop arguing with me and try to take them to court. Why do you keep trying to argue this with me?
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Ive no reason to. Devs never did anything to me personally.
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Bruh the irony is I am not the one sabotaging the match its the dumb teammates who are not doing anything and the match is already lost because of them not because of me lol
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Okay, although to be fair I can't get a refund anymore but on the bright side I don't have to play their game so. Also yeah technically we don't own anything as you said but on the bright side if any company tries to pull some stunt stating we actually don't own the game we paid for we are free to do as we like with the game on the internet which is cool
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Cool for you just wait till you get 2 dumb teammates who are doing nothing and then you are gonna understand why some people give up when they see what cards they got out of the solo que
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If you play soloQ, then I would say Kindred is must have perk to use.
Sure, sometimes you still get left on hook, but definetly way less and whole team can play more optimally with information it gives.
Otherwise not being able to suicide on hook was really good change for soloQ imo. I am someone who never DC/suicide, so only good for me.2 -
Calling nerf to prevent you from leaving a match, this forum never ceases to amaze me. The distribution of upvotes and downvotes throughout the thread makes it extra hilarious.
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Salty lips/Chalk is your friend :)
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The people giving up at every little inconvenience are the stupid teammates that everyone is talking about.
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Yeah. I eventually felt I was better off no longer relying on Windows of Opportunity, but Kindred I’m never removing if I can help it. With Open Handed if I have the space.
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Alrighty then chief. I will just make sure to do all 4 other generators that have to be done alone while my team is either dying instantly to the killer or leads the killer to me. You are absolutely right. It is skill issue on the part of everyone who does not want to have teammates that make dumb decisions.
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