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So much 'Us vs Them' these days...
I just see the same collection of users, usually with private profiles (you can still see their previous posts with Google/etc), stirring drama on a continuous basis.
Conversations rarely include any nuance/knowledge, just statements like 'Devs are X sided,' 'that is what a Y main would say,' 'Z mains win again,' etc.
The downvote system usually buries any useful topics/commentary as such topics usually get bombarded with a strangely similar number of downvotes after being posted.
At the very least, the downvote system needs to go, imo, as certain topics seem to be brigaded into obscurity regardless of post count.
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I agree, we've seen it just now with the fog vials when for all we know the devs are just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing if it sticks. This is a new item and to me it just seems that the devs are testing on the widest platform they have to get the best data and feedback they can. The response is perplexing to me.
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Tribalism is a part of human nature. "Us vs. Them" is one of the biggest appeals of this game
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both upvote and downvotes should go. Make it so ppl actually have to read your post instead of looking at votes to get an opinion about it
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Still no clue why downvoting was even brought back. Its just a way to quickly disagree with a statement without explaining your stance. Stupid feature and its entire purpose pr much is to ragebait basically.
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Downvoting a post buries the topic.
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It’s nothing new, I fear.
Way back when, I remember NotQueen saying she wishes both sides had more empathy for each other.
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NotQueen didn't really help though she was the one that said BHVR wanted to make sure teabagging was still satisfying for survivors when they remade the animations lol
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bhvr really has some of the strangest takes when it comes to handling their community.
Which honestly it's not surprising how toxic this community gets when bhvr does nothing to help punish it.
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We would almost never see these posts/comments if people made an effort to play both sides. The best is when we have people claim one side is “baby easy” when they’ve never once produced any evidence that they actually play that side.
The mods seem to do a fairly good job of filtering out the most obvious cases of trolling, but we still see the “us vs them” posts and comments quite a bit and it gets old very quickly. It would be nice if there was an auto-filter feature to automatically remove any post with the words “killer main” or “survivor main” because 99% of the time they are simply us vs them bait posts.3 -
being a 100% BP main is painful sometimes because I feel like a 6 year old in the backseat of the car and both parents are drunk and driving into oncoming traffic. I'm powerless to do anything about it but watch
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There is absolutely nothing appealing about it, people just don't like having their opinions or pre-concieved notions challenged and proven wrong.
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My point was mostly to illustrate that the whole ‘us v them’ thing is far from new.
Back then, they were less corporate in their communication. It felt a lot more sincere, though it did also result in some awkward statements, most notoriously from Cote himself.
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Alright, let the epic Us vs. Them showdown begin!
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As person who plays 50/50 I’m just tired tbh.
Nothing in between. We either get spammable fog vials that cause many accessibility issues, or nerf them to the point of being completely unusable.
I’m also always question myself, why some people trying to impose how some people have to play. Like “don’t bring this perks” “don’t genrhsh” “don’t tunnel” “don’t do saves or play in sfw”. And this affects every discussion about gameplay as well
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Why mods haven't just outright banned the tribalism posts is beyond me. They are always made in bad faith, be it to ragebait or attack other people, they never lead to productive conversations, they're never mature and respectful, they contribute literally nothing positive to the forum and only serve to foster a hostile and toxic discussion environment. It's just kids screaming at each other on playgrounds because it's someone else's turn with the ball.
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This genuinely. These posts add nothing and are basically just bait to attract more arguing. It's a common trend to see users just spew nastiness for 200-400 posts before being banned, and after a certain point you really have to wonder if they were contributing anything to begin with.
I don't wanna say "just ban people more often" since honestly I think one of the problems here is seeing passionate users who've been here for years get banned like they were chump change, but it also feels like there's a lot of low blows that are just accepted because it's how the community acts, when tbh it just ends up feeling like the worst of both worlds sometimes.
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Even went on a post just yesterday thats simply "what killers do you main and why?" So i answer. And it was like there was a mosquitto in the room just downvoting everything, constantly clicking refresh all day to downvote anyones answers lol like what is that button good for
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i usually have the us vs them mentality because it's a pvp game and advocate for killer buffs/survivor nerfs
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This one is so much better than the real version…
For the topic, while we agree with pretty much all of the op we'd also think if the downvote went away there'd end up being more us vs them posts from people as more people would be more inclined to type it out instead of click-and-forget. Not defending the downvote button or anything, just our thoughts.4 -
"You learn more through collaboration than you do through validation. Hell even in game, you get better at survivor/particular killers by going against them, as you learn what they would do in a situation you will likely later find yourself in. The best way to learn either role is to play the opposite. Same applies to discussions, if nothing else, having disagreements with the other role gives you insight into the struggles they might have and helps you build your game plan around it." - Sun Tzu or something idk.
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Even if you play both sides you still cop it. There's plenty of "oh you must be low MMR, so your opinion doesn't count, " totally ignoring they have as much evidence of their "high MMR status" than they do anyone's low MMR status.
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I wish this worked for me. No matter what side I play, I feel like the other player has psychic powers and knows how to perfectly counter me at all times and I have no idea how they do it.
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It can take some time to start picking stuff up, but generally if you start with their fundamentals like pathing and routing, you kinda build up from there into more advanced stuff. Once you get your footing, it can be a pretty gradual growth as you just pick stuff up subconsciously.
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maybe you ended up on the 4th dimension server.
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Yes, unfortunately it does seem like the "us vs them" got worse recently.
If I were to guess I would say it is because of the upcoming changes to things like tunneling, camping and slugging.
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I don't mind so much the supporting one side more than another perce'... What I really hate is the selective amnesia, inflammatory language/drama queening, and blatant doom posting... Sadly short snappy/inflammatory posts tend to get more attention.
While I don't want to generalise the people who only play one side, in my experience they tend to be the ones who do this most often, and will usually play with/against something for 1 game, then write everything off without taking a second to think with any nuance, then beligerrently argue for their side while refusing to acknowledge any opposing perspective.
Some great examples being:
- Survivors saying Blood Amber on keys is trash now. Firstly, it isn't even at base, OoO on your beck and call is not trash. Second take Distortion, it's exceptionally good as an active escape tool.
- Killers saying that Maps with WoO basekit will be broken despite it being the much healthier and limited version of WoO that can't be used with a syringe medkit/max charge commodius.
- Killers saying the proposed PTB Knight nerfs make him "F tier", despite the fact that all it did was make banners come up slightly quicker and swap the utility of the Jailor/Carnifex around. (It was an unneeded/illogical nerf, but F tier really? Who the hell is relying on guards to get hits solo?)
- Survivors saying that Fog vials are completely unusable now, and that Killers whine and always get their way while Survivors get nothing and haven't had a meta perk since MFT, all statements of which is absolutely untrue. Yes the double nerf is not a good move for Vials and they are being overnerfed, but they are not "completely unusable". As for Survivors get nothing, Michone has 2 very strong perks, and several Survivors perks have been buffed to meta status, including Resurgence, Decisive Strike and Botany Knowledge, not to mention Chucky, Dracula, Ghoul have all been nerfed repeatedly with more nerfs toted to be on the way for Kaneki, and that's just a few examples.
- Anyone talking about upcoming anti-slug, anti-tunnel, whatever changes, like they know what's gonna happen before the features are even announced... until you are told what it is, how can you make your mind up on it?
When people embellish and overdramatise stuff to support their narrative instead of trying to define objective truth, it is beyond annoying, because instead of having a productive conversation, anyone seeking truth has to spend a good while taking the time to properly research it and then just pointing out all the places they are objectively wrong, which usually only results in an argument, even if they are provably correct.
Yes, sometimes more objective posts can get pedantic and cumbersome; expressing a balanced view point does tend to mean your response gets more complicated and takes more effort to do... but you simply cannot express a complex and nuanced opinion on a challenging subject within 2 sentences.
To my mind it is important to take as long as is necessary to properly express an opinion as fairly and objectively as possible.... something the Us vs. Them crowd simply don't do.
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Pretty much, and any statement with any type of nuance still gets downvoted into oblivion, because people who don't like the topic that the comment is trying to bring nuance to (E.G; any kind of nuanced talk about Ghoul and how to balance them without nuking them from orbit, to bring up a popular punching bag) just brigate it into the depths of Hell. Because "I don't like thing, so instead of articulating why I don't like thing, and how >insert op here< could be wrong I'll just press the downvote arrow."
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Rumor has it that it’s the forum ghost made up of everyone’s salt and it just lurks to down vote. Sometimes on a full moon you can hear it clicking the downvote button. My friend told me that one time they got a down vote before they could even press Post Comment. I still shiver remembering hearing that.
Skeptics will tell you it’s probably just a mod or community manager stirring the pot, or even the alt account of a banned member just non verbally expressing their displeasure with the forums, but I believe in forum ghost.
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The root of most "us vs. them" stuff I believe is from people not playing both roles at least to a competent level. This creates a lack of empathy for what the side opposite their preferred role has to deal with in matches.
And it can be compounded by echo chambering the same things over and over too.
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I felt this way but then I started to play ghoul and win pretty much every game so now just killers have those powers agains't me sometimes. My looping has improved too after playing too much so Im having the psychic powers more often...
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something something "and thus another ghoul main is born" joke
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Both sides can't see that they're equally guilty of perpetuating the cycle of tribalism, aside a few who actually step back and look at the game as a whole.
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If you press your ear to the perimeter walls on cold wind you can hear the name of the next forum member targeted name. When I played a match earlier I heard Nazzzak in a haunting voice. I think you’re next.
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What they need to do is remove the downvote/upvote system (or at least just keep upvotes on the bug report forum as a "this is happening to me too" button), and add more forum mods so that way it doesn't take a hour for obvious rage baiters and trolls to get deleted when reported. Maybe another button to press in the report system that says why you're reporting beyond "broke rule."
They should also let us connect our stats page and our Reddit usernames to these accounts so we take one step forward, 8 steps back. Would love to see the "friendships" that would blossom.
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I would guess they want to allow people to vent in the hopes they're experience will be better afterwards. Probably doesn't actually work but I suppose they think it's worth a shot.
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I’ve said for ages if people had to link their game accounts to their forum accounts they would be more careful with their attitude and what they say as there would be accountability for it.
As is people can be as nasty as they like and if they get banned just make another profile, it’s why we see so much crazy stuff before the weekend on throwaway accounts.2 -
Bring it, ghost 😏
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What I have no clue is that why downvote matters? Those who deicide something from the up/down vote numbers will work the same, but with it at least you have to read less "xyz because you are bad" kind of posts.
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I feel like linking game accounts wouldn't do much because you can play anonymously and blocking players in game is dependant on you meeting them in game. You also can't block blokes easily here, but that's beyond the point. Game stats, however, would be incredibly funny for the strict purpose of seeing who says "I play both roles" when they mean "I played a bit of Huntress for a collective amount of 20 hours over the past 3 years" and also so when I say you shouldn't use WoO people can see I don't use WoO.
If trolls get banned relatively quickly, they'll be dissuaded from making new accounts, resulting in less throwaways. It also results in all 4 guys on the forum who post "do not the troll" posting that less.
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Blocking players in game does not prevent you from being matched with them - it prevents them from adding you as a friend, unless I'm mistaken.
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was it removed before?
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Me, watching everyone who says they don't like down-voting get down-voted.
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Is your official stat page accurate? Because my match history shows about one game for every twenty I play. I have entire days with nothing there.
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It was added back some months ago. But before this you'd either have to explain yourself, or not say anything.
I think a fix to the machanic could be to not have upvotes and downvotes be anonymous. That way if certain users show a trend of liking/disliking posts about certain topics, people will know to just disregard that persons opinion right away, since they're not even explaining themself.
Or downvotes and upvotes will only show when you write a comment on the post you're looking to up/down vote. Ofc you'd have to write a minamum amount of characters, you can't just quote and write a space and post.
Or both
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The forums have gone without downvotes for years before they returned as ‘a test’.
We used to dunk on bad takes the proper way—jokes, cute animals, and of course, actual arguments.
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that honestly sounds way more healthy….
and im guessing this "test" is unending lol?
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Beats me. As far as I’m concerned, the downvotes should’ve disappeared months ago.
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We're living the test…forever.
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